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but I like the idea of Jason Garrett as HC; young, bright, well thought of in league circles, he can have Tony Sparano and Todd Haley helping him out on O, and we have Jeff Ireland to help w/ the draft, promote Todd Bowles to Dcoordinator who will have the 3-4 experience of Paul Pasquleroni to guide him, he already has the respect of most of the Cowboy defenders

a young, energetic coaching staff, it's what everyone wanted
 
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Yeah I'll call you crazy, I'd rather have Norv Turner as the head coach and Garrett as the OC for grooming!
 

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ThreeSportStar80;1335544 said:
Yeah I'll call you crazy, I'd rather have Norv Turner as the head coach and Garrett as the OC for grooming!

*insert gag emoticon* I'd rather have a coach who hasn't failed yet than one who has
 

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summerisfunner;1335539 said:
but I like the idea of Jason Garrett as HC; young, bright, well thought of in league circles, he can have Tony Sparano and Todd Haley helping him out on O, and we have Jeff Ireland to help w/ the draft, promote Todd Bowles to Dcoordinator who will have the 3-4 experience of Paul Pasquleroni to guide him, he already has the respect of most of the Cowboy defenders

a young, energetic coaching staff, it's what everyone wanted
Okay, you're crazy. :)

However, I would like for whoever will be named the new head coach to bring in a totally new staff. If we're going to inject new blood into the coaching staff, let it be a fresh supply and not warmed over.
 

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DallasEast;1335552 said:
Okay, you're crazy. :)

However, I would like for whoever will be named the new head coach to bring in a totally new staff. If we're going to inject new blood into the coaching staff, let it be a fresh supply and not warmed over.

why do you want to replace the coordinators we have on O? just for change sake?
 

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Ok, you're crazy J/K

I like what he has to say, but it's a huge jump from QB coach to HC. Not unlike A or AA to the majors in baseball (ack).

OC would be enough of a stretch. Why risk a whole season on such monumental growing pains? Better to groom at say onelevel below, for a year or so, and see how he does, then turn him loose.

What's the last minor NFL assistant to do such a thing? And leave off the college coaches like Johnson please...
 

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zeromaster;1335558 said:
Ok, you're crazy J/K

I like what he has to say, but it's a huge jump from QB coach to HC. Not unlike A or AA to the majors in baseball (ack).

OC would be enough of a stretch. Why risk a whole season on such monumental growing pains? Better to groom at say onelevel below, for a year or so, and see how he does, then turn him loose.

What's the last minor NFL assistant to do such a thing? And leave off the college coaches like Johnson please...

Let me introduce you to the last time this happened

The quality of Reid's work with the Packers attracted considerable notice from throughout the league, leading to his being hired as the head coach of the Eagles on January 11, 1999. At the time, many in the local media in Philadelphia criticized the hiring, citing the availability of other candidates who had past records of success as head coaches.

Worked out ok for them
 

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summerisfunner;1335557 said:
why do you want to replace the coordinators we have on O? just for change sake?
Why not? I'm not suggesting a radical idea. New head coaches usually appoint new staffs to run their team.

Garrett hasn't been playing and/or coaching in a vacuum. He has had the opportunity to evaluate other coaches and probably judge them to have coaching styles which would: 1) mesh very well with his own and 2) possibly do an equal or better job than the present assistant coaches who have been abandoned in Parcells' wake. A totally new coaching perspective is doable.
 

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In this day and age of the salary cap I feel the coach needs to understand how to delegate more than anything and the success of a team is predicated more on the ability of it's staff.

Which is why Garrett should be the OC, Manusky should be DC and Phillips or Rex Ryan become HC. Ryan doesn't have head coaching experience, but his father sure did and he has more coordinator experience than does Garrett.
 

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NewmanFan4;1335559 said:
Yeah, you're crazy. Let's give him a couple years to try and call the plays.

The problem is Garrett is a very hot commodity. Saban wanted him in Alabama as his OC. Clevelend wants to talk to him. He's one of these up and coming bright assistants which are very much in vogue. What if he has a brilliant season as Dallas OC next year. You think Jerry could keep him on staff as OC when someone else hires him as their HC next year? Would Jerry fire the current coach, either Turner or Phillips or whoever to promote him? He couldn't, his hands would be tied. We would lose Jason next year to HC of
another team if he is our OC and successful.
 

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summerisfunner;1335539 said:
a young, energetic coaching staff, it's what everyone wanted

Until they get one. Then they want a staff of Norv and Wade Phillips. don't you know how this works yet?
 

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ThreeSportStar80;1335544 said:
Yeah I'll call you crazy, I'd rather have Norv Turner as the head coach and Garrett as the OC for grooming!

put some thought into that, why if garret did well here as an OC would he stay here. Some other team would get him, I don't get the grooming a hc crap when has that happened in the modern era?
 

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DallasEast;1335571 said:
Why not? I'm not suggesting a radical idea. New head coaches usually appoint new staffs to run their team.

Garrett hasn't been playing and/or coaching in a vacuum. He has had the opportunity to evaluate other coaches and probably judge them to have coaching styles which would: 1) mesh very well with his own and 2) possibly do an equal or better job than the present assistant coaches who have been abandoned in Parcells' wake. A totally new coaching perspective is doable.

but if Garrett has never run an O by himself, wouldn't he be better off keeping the coaches who coached a #4 ranked O, to help him? afterall, Sparano and Haley have already been coaching well in the current system, you only bring in new coaches when the assistants from the previous staff are bad, or the unit was, or the HC wants a whole new O system put in place, and if I'm not mistaken, Garrett likes using 2-TEs, the system we run, it would make no sense for Garrett to get rid of the successful coaches we already have on O, just because he's the new guy
 

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abersonc;1335586 said:
Until they get one. Then they want a staff of Norv and Wade Phillips. don't you know how this works yet?

I know how it works, but I kind of want bright, young coaches meself
 

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summerisfunner;1335600 said:
...it would make no sense for Garrett to get rid of the successful coaches we already have on O, just because he's the new guy
If you're going to use the argument that our present coaches are intractable, why bring Garrett or anyone else from the outside in? Why not promote Sparano or Haley?

Bringing in a new head coach is always a risk. Why not allow the new head coach, who is burden with the task of getting the team over the hump, the responsibility of overseeing his OWN staff? You know, the guys he trusts can do 'the job'???
 

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summerisfunner;1335539 said:
but I like the idea of Jason Garrett as HC; young, bright, well thought of in league circles, he can have Tony Sparano and Todd Haley helping him out on O, and we have Jeff Ireland to help w/ the draft, promote Todd Bowles to Dcoordinator who will have the 3-4 experience of Paul Pasquleroni to guide him, he already has the respect of most of the Cowboy defenders

a young, energetic coaching staff, it's what everyone wanted



Whether it's this year or in a year or two, it's probably gonna happen anyway, so i'd be A OK with it now. More than likely it's the OC but he will be groomed as the future HC.
 

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DallasEast;1335638 said:
If you're going to use the argument that our present coaches are intractable, why bring Garrett or anyone else from the outside in? Why not promote Sparano or Haley?

maybe because they aren't good working w/ QBs? or haven't done it before? JJ wants Garrett here because he's heard how well he works w/ them, and our franchise player right now happens to be one

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Bringing in a new head coach is always a risk. Why not allow the new head coach, who is burden with the task of getting the team over the hump, the responsibility of overseeing his OWN staff? You know, the guys he trusts can do 'the job'???

main reason why Garrett would be a fool to retool the O coaching staff, he's never done it before, and how many coordinators do you think Garrett has worked w/? our personnel is fit for the system we run on O, and the current coaches have coached it well, and Garrett is going to need all the help he can get, so why not get it from the coaches who are already doing it, and doing it well?

btw, it doesn't look like Sparano is going to be going anywhere, anytime soon
 

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FLCowboyFan;1335568 said:
Let me introduce you to the last time this happened

The quality of Reid's work with the Packers attracted considerable notice from throughout the league, leading to his being hired as the head coach of the Eagles on January 11, 1999. At the time, many in the local media in Philadelphia criticized the hiring, citing the availability of other candidates who had past records of success as head coaches.

Worked out ok for them
Fair enough, just remember that the Eagles were also coming off of eight years of Rich Kotite and Ray Rhodes, the latter with a losing record. While it's not a huge stretch compared to our record over a similar period, does that justify taking that kind of leap? Neither of those two are considered HC material anymore. The Eagles are a different dynamic, and still looking for their first trophy. Even Reid hasn't made that jump for them.

Like I said before OC to HC in a year or two looks like a fast-track approach. What's being suggested with Garrett as HC is a bit closer to betting the kids' college fund on boxcars at the dice table.

But whatever works...
 
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