Cam Newton signs with Patriots

[Northern_Cowboy]

......yet.

He did make Rookie of the year, he is entering his fifth season. Cam didnt acheive what you mentioned until his fifth season.

Fair point

 

[EST_1986]

Quarterbacks that can actually throw the ball aren't usually referred to as "athletic." John elway was a horse, but he could throw the ball. Steve Young could run, but he could throw the ball. in my mind when people start talking about athletic quarterbacks they're talking about guys who skill set is more with their feet than with their arm

I've never heard anyone sane refer to Steve Young as a non-athletic. You refer to Mahomes as an athletic QB but he can throw the ball better than most QBs that have played this game, what's the difference there?

 

[joseephuss]

Trent Dilfer's job was more simple than the rest. Don't make mistakes and rely on one of the most dominant defenses in NFL history.

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Dilfer did make mistakes. Both he and Tony Banks started 8 games for Baltimore in the 2000 season. Banks threw 8 interceptions and fumbled the ball 5 times. Dilfer threw 11 interceptions and fumbled the ball 8 times. Banks was sacked 20 times and Dilfer was sacked 23 times. It was more about leadership and trust than actual production between those 2 QBs that season. Neither one of them were good that year, but the team rallied around Dilfer and overcame his mistakes.

 

[Bleedsblue]

Dilfer did make mistakes. Both he and Tony Banks started 8 games for Baltimore in the 2000 season. Banks threw 8 interceptions and fumbled the ball 5 times. Dilfer threw 11 interceptions and fumbled the ball 8 times. Banks was sacked 20 times and Dilfer was sacked 23 times. It was more about leadership and trust than actual production between those 2 QBs that season. Neither one of them were good that year, but the team rallied around Dilfer and overcame his mistakes.

if I remember correctly the Ravens offense failed to score a touchdown in multiple games that year

 

[Bleedsblue]

I've never heard anyone sane refer to Steve Young as a non-athletic. You refer to Mahomes as an athletic QB but he can throw the ball better than most QBs that have played this game, what's the difference there?

 

[Bleedsblue]

I didn't say Steve Young was non-athletic, you did. you are right, Mahomes can throw the ball. I shouldn't have referred to him as "athletic"
I'm not saying that good throwers can't be athletic, what I am saying is that usually when somebody is a good thrower they don't get tagged with the "athletic" label

 

[sean10mm]

Bill Belicek is an historian and he covet's Cam's NFL experience. He will attempt to transition Cam into a knowledgeable bus driver capable of managing a controlled offense, getting the ball in the hands of the playmakers while limiting mistakes.

In this way, Belicek can use his defense to control the tempo of the game, a defense that was ranked #1 in both yardage and points allowed.

Belicek's strategy has precedence.

Jim Plunkett, Doug Williams, John Elway, and Trent Dilfer were all high 1st round draft picks who, late in career, were willing to put their egos on the shelf and play within the system.

Their skills, once considered elite had begun detiorating. However, what they lost was replaced by seasons of valuable experience.

They used this experience to their benefit and that of their teams to win championships.

Like Cam, Plunkett and Elway were drafted #1 overall. Only Elway won championships with his original team. He did this in the last two seasons of a 15 season career.

Plunkett was drafted by the Patriots and considered a bust. After 5 seasons with them and 2 more with the 49ers he found a home with the Raiders where he helped them wim two Super Bowls.

Doug Williams, a 1st round pick with the new Tampa Bay franchise, helped them to their first winning seasons after going 2-26 the previous two. After a contract dispute he joined the USFL and played until it's demise. He then joined the Commanders as a backup and took over after the injury to Jay Schraeder.

Williams's finest moment came in the Super Bowl where he threw 4 TD's.....all in the same quarter.

Trent Dilfer's job was more simple than the rest. Don't make mistakes and rely on one of the most dominant defenses in NFL history.

Cam is going to be the starter. The question is will he be mature enough to accept his role within the team. If Belicek can convince Cam to suppress his ego then he will make the Patriots the stealth contenders they always seemed to be in the past.

I would also add that Cam's $7.5m contract is reportedly almost all incentives that are classed "Not Likely to be Earned" because he only played 2 games in 2019, which means almost none of his contract will hit this year's cap, and if he plays like a Pro Bowler and earns them then they hit in 2021, when the Patriots are projected to be near the top of the league in cap space anyway.

The Pats have essentially ZERO risk here.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

What if Belichick starts dressing like Cam in post game pressers?

I have a better chance of winning both the mega and powerball lotteries in the same week.

 

[Bleedsblue]

I would also add that Cam's $7.5m contract is reportedly almost all incentives that are classed "Not Likely to be Earned" because he only played 2 games in 2019, which means almost none of his contract will hit this year's cap, and if he plays like a Pro Bowler and earns them then they hit in 2021, when the Patriots are projected to be near the top of the league in cap space anyway.

The Pats have essentially ZERO risk here.

I agree. As long as Cam takes whatever happens on himself and doesn't do any finger pointing if things go wrong it's a no lose situation

 

[xwalker]

Made my point, didn't I?

Prior to Mahomes exactly zero athletic quarterbacks have won a Superbowl.

No, you did not unless your point was that your uninformed.

Cam Newton did not win a Super Bowl.

 

[Bleedsblue]

No, you did not unless your point was that your uninformed.

Cam Newton did not win a Super Bowl.

Oh my, I misspoke, I think I'll go kill myself. What an a-hole

 

[xwalker]

Oh my, I misspoke, I think I'll go kill myself. What an a-hole

That's not nice language...

 

[rags]

If he can stay healthy, the Pats might have a steal.

 

[Jake]

The fascination with Newton in 2020 here is comical. People talking about stuff he did 5+ years ago like it was last week.



So are wins a QB stat or does that just apply when it suits the argument? For the record I don't think it is (because it ignores 2/3 of the game) but I see it tossed around here plenty.

 

[Flamma]

The Patriots never fail to puzzle me. I thought for sure they were going to crap the bed in 2020 purposely to get a high end draft pick next year. Everything was lining up for them. They'll have a ton of cap space open up next year too.

Bill now risks the team going somewhere middle of the pack. But Cam, who is no dummy, with a good coach and players around him? If healthy I think that Patriots team may be dangerous.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

And it'll probably work because it always does for Bill.

Dude's a football genius, and he's easily the best coach of all time.

THE best?

Nope. Name one innovation he's brought to the league. Landry invented the Flex defense, refined the Shotgun, developed the 4-3 defense and above all, didn't cheat.

Bill's good, but he's not to Landry's level.

 

[DFWJC]

The last QB to be in a similar situation as Cam's was Kurt Warner....who had even much greater success than Cam before getting cut.
Warner had a SB win, SB MVP, and two NFL POY's...then cut.

It turned out well for him, as later led the Cards to the Super Bowl.

Who knows, maybe Newton make lightning strike twice.

 

[DFWJC]

The Patriots never fail to puzzle me. I thought for sure they were going to crap the bed in 2020 purposely to get a high end draft pick next year. Everything was lining up for them. They'll have a ton of cap space open up next year too.

Bill now risks the team going somewhere middle of the pack. But Cam, who is no dummy, with a good coach and players around him? If healthy I think that Patriots team may be dangerous.

I saw no scenario...ever...where Belichick would purposely crap the bed.
Just seemed completely impossible.

 

[DFWJC]

The fascination with Newton in 2020 here is comical. People talking about stuff he did 5+ years ago like it was last week.



So are wins a QB stat or does that just apply when it suits the argument? For the record I don't think it is (because it ignores 2/3 of the game) but I see it tossed around here plenty.

Leave it ESPN to continue to carry the silly torch that QB win and lose games by themselves.
Cam was playing poorly and playing badly hurt, but that team was not so great either.

I'm not even sure Cam will start in NE. But he's someone I would not count-out.

 

[kskboys]

The Patriots never fail to puzzle me. I thought for sure they were going to crap the bed in 2020 purposely to get a high end draft pick next year. Everything was lining up for them. They'll have a ton of cap space open up next year too.

Bill now risks the team going somewhere middle of the pack. But Cam, who is no dummy, with a good coach and players around him? If healthy I think that Patriots team may be dangerous.

Stidham is better than Cam at this point. Cam was signed to be the backup.

Question: Why are so many thinking Cam is going to start in NE after being signed for a song? He's the backup.