Can 9 year veteran Dak Prescott lead today's Dallas Cowboys to a Super Bowl?

I made a post earlier this month about Dak having the best opportunity to have his best season given the talent acquisition. But I would be lying if I didn't admit to having some intrigue about Milton and his potential!
 
mcmvp said:
Weren’t you the one that said if Prescott had been QB for the Chiefs, they would’ve beaten the Eagles in the Super Bowl? And you’re asking other people to get a clue?
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It’s the team, Prescott is every bit as good if he had the team. Now that is years of getting on and he’s more injury prone it’s a different story. Haiblinds.
CrownCowboy said:
I can give you a clue.

The clue is three and 10. Three Divisional Playoff games in 10 years.

Once you figure out the answer, tell us all how that proves he's capable of winning a Super Bowl?
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  • Cowboys defense in the 5 playoff losses:
    • Avg giving up 31 points per game. (Take out the GB loss and still avg giving up 27 ppg)
    • Avg giving up 157 yards per game on the ground. (Take out the 273 in the 2018 rams L and we still avg giving up nearly 130 yds per game on the ground)
    • 3rd down conversions. In the 5 playoff losses of the last decade, our defense allowed 30 of 58 3rd downs to be converted. 52%!! Horrible.
    • Despite being one of the best sack teams in the league, the Cowboys only had 4 total sacks in all 5 playoff losses. Less than 1 per game.
    • Despite being one of the better defenses to create TOs, our D only had 3 TOs created in the 5 playoff losses.
 
CrownCowboy said:
The title of this thread and discussion is Can Prescott lead today's Dallas Cowboys to a Super Bowl. And no matter what horse **** you say on here the FACT remains that up to this point, 10 years worth of football and teams, the answer has been no.

Not only is it a no, but its a Hell no. That's a fact. Now I can't teach you attention skills and I can't teach you how to follow a thread. My advice would be to seek counseling.
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  • Cowboys defense in the 5 playoff losses:
    • Avg giving up 31 points per game. (Take out the GB loss and still avg giving up 27 ppg)
    • Avg giving up 157 yards per game on the ground. (Take out the 273 in the 2018 rams L and we still avg giving up nearly 130 yds per game on the ground)
    • 3rd down conversions. In the 5 playoff losses of the last decade, our defense allowed 30 of 58 3rd downs to be converted. 52%!! Horrible.
    • Despite being one of the best sack teams in the league, the Cowboys only had 4 total sacks in all 5 playoff losses. Less than 1 per game.
    • Despite being one of the better defenses to create TOs, our D only had 3 TOs created in the 5 playoff losses.
 
Do we have a super bowl pass rush? Yes

Do we have a potentially top oline? Yes

Do we have two number 1 wr? Yes

Do we have a legitimate franchise QB in his prime? Yes

Did we improve at cb ? Yes ( Carson, bland, revel and elam are all healthy and should be ready for week 1).

Did we add legit depth at rb? Yes

We could also add Ramsey at CB or S


Potential cause for concern

Run defense ...
Dak in the playoffs in tight situations ....
Can Pickens keep it together mentally ...

I see a really really good team that has all the components and especially considering they are in the NFC, yes they are a super bowl contender.

Are they in the second tier behind a KC or buffalo, sure. But we wouldn't meet them until we got to the super bowl regardless.

My super bowl contenders in ranking going into this season based on roster, quarterback, draft picks, and potential are as follow....

Buffalo - potentially historic team this year. Absolutely loaded... Think 91 Washington or 96 packers. Best oline in football and it's not close. Defense is loaded with new talent. 15-2 or 16-1 imho
KC- obviously a top tier until proven otherwise.
Philadelphia - excellent roster, QB is good not great. Oline is still dominant even with aging Johnson and rg ?
Baltimore - really good team, Lamar in the playoffs not good...
Cincinnati - if the defense is avg, dangerous
Detroit - very good team, but maybe that's it.
Rams - really good team, young roster, Stafford has a couple years left?
Dallas - very nice talent at key spots, new staff? Potentially top oline
Texans. - very good defense, Stroud is good, is he great? Oline is a question???

Wildcards

Green Bay - Jordan love is a MVP darkhorse
Tampa- Baker is legit, young talented defense.
49ers- bounce back year

Out of nowhere - bears and Jaguars
 
CrownCowboy said:
I can give you a clue.

The clue is three and 10. Three Divisional Playoff games in 10 years.

Once you figure out the answer, tell us all how that proves he's capable of winning a Super Bowl?
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Defense wins championships.
Quarterbacks are part of a team
The game is won in the pitts
You wanna blame somebody, blame the GM.
Blame the head coach
The team is a reflection of him and he was soft
Blaming one person is not having a clue on how the game is really played.
 
Irvin_truther said:
Do we have a super bowl pass rush? Yes

Do we have a potentially top oline? Yes

Do we have two number 1 wr? Yes

Do we have a legitimate franchise QB in his prime? Yes

Did we improve at cb ? Yes ( Carson, bland, revel and elam are all healthy and should be ready for week 1).

Did we add legit depth at rb? Yes

We could also add Ramsey at CB or S


Potential cause for concern

Run defense ...
Dak in the playoffs in tight situations ....
Can Pickens keep it together mentally ...

I see a really really good team that has all the components and especially considering they are in the NFC, yes they are a super bowl contender.

Are they in the second tier behind a KC or buffalo, sure. But we wouldn't meet them until we got to the super bowl regardless.

My super bowl contenders in ranking going into this season based on roster, quarterback, draft picks, and potential are as follow....

Buffalo - potentially historic team this year. Absolutely loaded... Think 91 Washington or 96 packers. Best oline in football and it's not close. Defense is loaded with new talent. 15-2 or 16-1 imho
KC- obviously a top tier until proven otherwise.
Philadelphia - excellent roster, QB is good not great. Oline is still dominant even with aging Johnson and rg ?
Baltimore - really good team, Lamar in the playoffs not good...
Cincinnati - if the defense is avg, dangerous
Detroit - very good team, but maybe that's it.
Rams - really good team, young roster, Stafford has a couple years left?
Dallas - very nice talent at key spots, new staff? Potentially top oline
Texans. - very good defense, Stroud is good, is he great? Oline is a question???

Wildcards

Green Bay - Jordan love is a MVP darkhorse
Tampa- Baker is legit, young talented defense.
49ers- bounce back year

Out of nowhere - bears and Jaguars
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I thought that was well thought out
 
Whirlwin said:
Defense wins championships.
Quarterbacks are part of a team
The game is won in the pitts
You wanna blame somebody, blame the GM.
Blame the head coach
The team is a reflection of him and he was soft
Blaming one person is not having a clue on how the game is really played.
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I agree 100%.

Dak is more than fine. I loved the booker pick to help build a dominant oline. Pass rush should be excellent.

It's going to be a fun year!
 
Whirlwin said:
Defense wins championships.
Quarterbacks are part of a team
The game is won in the pitts
You wanna blame somebody, blame the GM.
Blame the head coach
The team is a reflection of him and he was soft
Blaming one person is not having a clue on how the game is really played.
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The eagles last year, and KC in 23 won the Superbowl because of their defense imo
 
Dak will eventually just "do him".

He'll wilt under big game pressure during the regular season or the playoffs against teams with strong defenses (especially in the pass game). He simply is not a great field reader nor does he have the accuracy and skills to "throw people open" required in such games.

His best statistical playoff game was against the lowly 8-9 Bucs (one of the worst playoff teams in recent memory) where he sent the GOAT QB into retirement (according to his homers). His next best statistical game was the 2016 playoffs when he was a rookie, he could still run, and was against one of the worst pass defenses in the league that year. The team was in it until the end but never led, and he did what we now know as him: started the team slow on offense leading the team to relatively quick three and outs. It was only until the opposing defenses started to play soft because the opposing offense gave them considerable leads, whether due to defense, Dak's turnovers, other poor offensive play, etc., that this changed. Yes, to Dak's defense (pun intended), the defense didn't match the offense's relatively quick three and outs by doing the same to the other team, but that's when a top QB has to come to play and go toe-to-toe with the other team on offense.

After watching him for almost ten years in the league, IMO, it's pretty safe to say that Dak's winning statistics have been inflated over the years due to Dan Quinn's top 5 TO defense and playing in a relatively poor division. Even in his "runner-up" MVP year, where his offensive numbers were a result of playing against statistically the worst pass defenses in the league in total.
 
Whirlwin said:
Defense wins championships.
Quarterbacks are part of a team
The game is won in the pitts
You wanna blame somebody, blame the GM.
Blame the head coach
The team is a reflection of him and he was soft
Blaming one person is not having a clue on how the game is really played.
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Again, the title of this thread is Can Dak lead us to a Super Bowl. Not if the defense can or if the Head Coach can.

Another poster in this thread showed our offensive production in his playoff games and in particular the ones we lost. It was absolutely piss poor until the game was already out of reach.

He has not shown to be any real difference maker in the playoffs for 10 years. All while being one of the highest paid athletes in the word. So no, the evidence proves that he cannot lead us to a Super Bowl. He hasn’t shown even once that he’s capable to do it.

If you think he can then that’s your opinion. But don’t come in here telling us we don’t know football because some of us thinks he can’t. Fact is he didn’t in 10 years.
 
CrownCowboy said:
Again, the title of this thread is Can Dak lead us to a Super Bowl. Not if the defense can or if the Head Coach can.

Another poster in this thread showed our offensive production in his playoff games and in particular the ones we lost. It was absolutely piss poor until the game was already out of reach.

He has not shown to be any real difference maker in the playoffs for 10 years. All while being one of the highest paid athletes in the word. So no, the evidence proves that he cannot lead us to a Super Bowl. He hasn’t shown even once that he’s capable to do it.

If you think he can then that’s your opinion. But don’t come in here telling us we don’t know football because some of us thinks he can’t. Fact is he didn’t in 10 years.
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Well, the title itself is ignorant. Thinking one player brings a team to the Super Bowl. It takes everybody, including the water boy you
The title should be we hate Prescott,
 
Whirlwin said:
It’s the team, Prescott is every bit as good if he had the team. Now that is years of getting on and he’s more injury prone it’s a different story. Haiblinds.

  • Cowboys defense in the 5 playoff losses:
    • Avg giving up 31 points per game. (Take out the GB loss and still avg giving up 27 ppg)
    • Avg giving up 157 yards per game on the ground. (Take out the 273 in the 2018 rams L and we still avg giving up nearly 130 yds per game on the ground)
    • 3rd down conversions. In the 5 playoff losses of the last decade, our defense allowed 30 of 58 3rd downs to be converted. 52%!! Horrible.
    • Despite being one of the best sack teams in the league, the Cowboys only had 4 total sacks in all 5 playoff losses. Less than 1 per game.
    • Despite being one of the better defenses to create TOs, our D only had 3 TOs created in the 5 playoff losses.
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Now……do Prescott’s stats for the Divisional playoff game at San Francisco. Do his stats for the Divisional playoff game at home against Green Bay game last year before the game was out of reach and the Packers played soft.

He’s done nothing in the playoffs to elevate this franchise or to give us any kind of advantage.

You think after 10 years that he is capable of it. I do not. Which one of us has the historical evidence on our side?
 
Whirlwin said:
Well, the title itself is ignorant. Thinking one player brings a team to the Super Bowl. It takes everybody, including the water boy you
The title should be we hate Prescott,
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Ah see now we come to the issue at hand with the likes of you.

You’ve lost this debate. Take your blankey and go home.

If you have an issue with the thread title take it up with the poster who created it. If not, create yet another thread with your own title with praise for the choker you say that’s obvious to lead us to a Super Bowl.
 
Whirlwin said:
Defense wins championships.
Quarterbacks are part of a team
The game is won in the pitts
You wanna blame somebody, blame the GM.
Blame the head coach
The team is a reflection of him and he was soft
Blaming one person is not having a clue on how the game is really played.
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The NFL has completely nerfed defense into the ground and you guys are still spouting Defense wins championships lol.

Defense is the new special teams.
 
nate dizzle said:
People that believe he has a chance are the same people that tune into mega millions drawings.
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SultanOfSix said:
Dak will eventually just "do him".

He'll wilt under big game pressure during the regular season or the playoffs against teams with strong defenses (especially in the pass game). He simply is not a great field reader nor does he have the accuracy and skills to "throw people open" required in such games.

His best statistical playoff game was against the lowly 8-9 Bucs (one of the worst playoff teams in recent memory) where he sent the GOAT QB into retirement (according to his homers). His next best statistical game was the 2016 playoffs when he was a rookie, he could still run, and was against one of the worst pass defenses in the league that year. The team was in it until the end but never led, and he did what we now know as him: started the team slow on offense leading the team to relatively quick three and outs. It was only until the opposing defenses started to play soft because the opposing offense gave them considerable leads, whether due to defense, Dak's turnovers, other poor offensive play, etc., that this changed. Yes, to Dak's defense (pun intended), the defense didn't match the offense's relatively quick three and outs by doing the same to the other team, but that's when a top QB has to come to play and go toe-to-toe with the other team on offense.

After watching him for almost ten years in the league, IMO, it's pretty safe to say that Dak's winning statistics have been inflated over the years due to Dan Quinn's top 5 TO defense and playing in a relatively poor division. Even in his "runner-up" MVP year, where his offensive numbers were a result of playing against statistically the worst pass defenses in the league in total.
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In other words he's better than hurts and a top ten QB.
 
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