Can Cowboys build a championship caliber team without a HOF caliber QB?

[Diehardblues]

When we look back in history the teams which have success without a HOF caliber QB most have done so with Elite defenses . Some needed a generational type #1 defense .

And some still had a QB who was average to above average talent which they didn’t need to carry them . He was enough to move the offense, make big plays when needed and most importantly not give up the ball costing them better opportunities to win.

There’s been several throughout history. Do we think we can build that type of team ? If not then we must find a QB who can carry a less than great team. Unfortunately there’s only maybe a handful or less at anytime.

Which scenario better suits our organization?

 

[JBS]

This is a great question

Can it be done? Yes.
Can the Cowboys do it? No.

Front office isn’t good enough. Doesn’t utilize all resources to build the team to have a strong enough team to do it. They also do not invest enough into elite caliber coaching. Take alll of this into the equation and a HOF caliber qb is the only way this team will win. It’s the same reason why Romo never got it done and it’s the same reason why Dak isn’t getting it done now.

 

[75boyz]

No.
This organization lacks the triangle to success position holders to accomplish post season success.
Wrong GM.
Wrong HC
Wrong QB.

I've discussed in detail overcthe years how I believe an elite HC paired with an elite QB could "possibly" achieve improved postseason success even with the current GM.

The masses all then do the standard as long as GM is in charge we are stuck in the mud.

I will always counter that an elite QB, and especially an elite QB paired with an elite HC, could drastically alter this team's direction even in spite of Jerry.

Some few agree with Mr.
Others stick to the not as long as Jerry is GM chorus.

Opinions vary.

 

[Cowboys5217]

When we look back in history the teams which have success without a HOF caliber QB most have done so with Elite defenses . Some needed a generational type #1 defense .

And some still had a QB who was average to above average talent which they didn’t need to carry them . He was enough to move the offense, make big plays when needed and most importantly not give up the ball costing them better opportunities to win.

There’s been several throughout history. Do we think we can build that type of team ? If not then we must find a QB who can carry a less than great team. Unfortunately there’s only maybe a handful or less at anytime.

Which scenario better suits our organization?

Just start acting normally, recognize easily identifiable historical patterns, and start drafting QBs in the first round every year. You'll get the right one a lot faster than going 30 years of trying to win the lottery Jerry's way.

 

[Diehardblues]

This is a great question

Can it be done? Yes.
Can the Cowboys do it? No.

Front office isn’t good enough. Doesn’t utilize all resources to build the team to have a strong enough team to do it. They also do not invest enough into elite caliber coaching. Take alll of this into the equation and a HOF caliber qb is the only way this team will win. It’s the same reason why Romo never got it done and it’s the same reason why Dak isn’t getting it done now.

I’d lean towards your thoughts as I don’t have much confidence in our ownership as well building a great enough team around a less than HOF caliber QB.

It’s why our choices are limited here cause our ownerships priorities are more towards remaining relevant and interesting.

In order to rebuild you have to hit closer to rock bottom which is our owners greatest fear. They’d rather tread water . It’s easier to hype and promote than starting over. Plus it takes much less time and energy.

 

[Diehardblues]

Just start acting normally, recognize easily identifiable historical patterns, and start drafting QBs in the first round every year. You'll get the right one a lot faster than going 30 years of trying to win the lottery Jerry's way.

This ownership act normally. Lol

 

[gtb1943]

A top defense is needed if you do not have a truly elite QB. Now on occasion that happens anyway; it happens. When the Rams won it with Stafford, their D was very good but certainly not generational

 

[JBS]

I’d lean towards your thoughts as I don’t have much confidence in our ownership as well building a great enough team around a less than HOF caliber QB.

It’s why our choices are limited here cause our ownerships priorities are more towards remaining relevant and interesting.

In order to rebuild you have to hit closer to rock bottom which is our owners greatest fear. They’d rather tread water . It’s easier to hype and promote than starting over. Plus it takes much less time and energy.

Bang on. I agree w all of this wholeheartedly.

 

[Diehardblues]

A top defense is needed if you do not have a truly elite QB. Now on occasion that happens anyway; it happens. When the Rams won it with Stafford, their D was very good but certainly not generational

Yep, the closer to elite your QB is certainly helps not needing as Elite defense but like you said that Rams defense was pretty close .

 

[JBS]

Elite level head coaches make more than 15M a year

Mike McCarthy makes 4-5M per year

Let that sink in. There is no salary cap attached to coaching salaries.

Don’t ever tell me this ownership group will do whatever it takes to win. That’s an outright lie.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Of course they can.

We’ve been a QB away in 2007, 2014, 2016, 2021, 2022, and 2023.

We’ve had the teams those years, but we had losers playing QB.

 

[gtb1943]

Yep, the closer to elite your QB is certainly helps not needing as Elite defense but like you said that Rams defense was pretty close .

Stafford made plays when it mattered in that SB despite not having all that good a game overall. The D was good enough to put him in the position to win it; and he did it

 

[gtb1943]

Of course they can.

We’ve been a QB away in 2007, 2014, 2016, 2021, 2022, and 2023.

We’ve had the teams those years, but we had losers playing QB.

Bad QB play did not doom any of those teams; they all failed for different reasons. 2007 just a couple of plays going the other way sends us on; 2014 an idiotic official call;
2016 the whole team did not play good enough in the playoffs; and the last three yeah QB was a big reason but mostly it was a team failure
Bluntly speaking blaming the QB for all those losses is just plain stupid

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Bad QB play did not doom any of those teams; they all failed for different reasons. 2007 just a couple of plays going the other way sends us on; 2014 an idiotic official call;
2016 the whole team did not play good enough in the playoffs; and the last three yeah QB was a big reason but mostly it was a team failure
Bluntly speaking blaming the QB for all those losses is just plain stupid

Are you one of those that think even Mahomes can’t win a Super Bowl with any of those teams?

 

[charron]

30+ years of failure points to no.

 

[JoeKing]

How can that be a serious question? When a Cowboys QB takes the team to a Super Bowl and wins, they become a Hall of Famer.

 

[Diehardblues]

Bad QB play did not doom any of those teams; they all failed for different reasons. 2007 just a couple of plays going the other way sends us on; 2014 an idiotic official call;
2016 the whole team did not play good enough in the playoffs; and the last three yeah QB was a big reason but mostly it was a team failure
Bluntly speaking blaming the QB for all those losses is just plain stupid

The fact is if we had a HOF caliber QB we possibly could have gone further in any of those seasons. But we didn’t . And only a handful or less of teams at any given time do.

Sure , we’d all like to have a Mahomes or Brady but there’s simply not enough to go around . Blaming a less than HOF QB for every teams lack of success is futile bordering on troll like .

Many teams go deeper in playoffs and to Super Bowls without a HOF caliber QB. Some teams can even win it . But they need greater teams , coaching , front offices and especially defenses than we’ve had overall this era.

 

[gimmesix]

When we look back in history the teams which have success without a HOF caliber QB most have done so with Elite defenses . Some needed a generational type #1 defense .

And some still had a QB who was average to above average talent which they didn’t need to carry them . He was enough to move the offense, make big plays when needed and most importantly not give up the ball costing them better opportunities to win.

There’s been several throughout history. Do we think we can build that type of team ? If not then we must find a QB who can carry a less than great team. Unfortunately there’s only maybe a handful or less at anytime.

Which scenario better suits our organization?

Even teams with a HOF-caliber QBs have had great defenses or running games. Does Roger win without Doomsday? Does Troy win without the No. 1 defense and Emmitt Smith? In fact, it could be said that the reason those QBs are Hall of Famers is because the teams around them were also great.

 

[Diehardblues]

How can that be a serious question? When a Cowboys QB takes the team to a Super Bowl and wins, they become a Hall of Famer.

You believe Romo and Daks career has been enough for induction into HOF if they won a Super Bowl?

 

[Diehardblues]

Even teams with a HOF-caliber QBs have had great defenses or running games. Does Roger win without Doomsday? Does Troy win without the No. 1 defense and Emmitt Smith? In fact, it could be said that the reason those QBs are Hall of Famers is because the teams around them were also great.

No doubt . Having a HOF caliber QB doesn’t guarantee winning . And why they don’t win it every year.

And some HOF QB’s never win it.

What being a HOF caliber QB represents is when they have a great enough team they add to it not take away.

In other words we can determine they arent part of the problem.