Can Iupati or Pouncey make it to #27?

[dcfanatic]

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I think we have to see some OT's, QB's and CB's move up the boards within the next few weeks if there is a chance either drops to #27.

 

[Hoofbite]

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I think we have to see some OT's, QB's and CB's move up the boards within the next few weeks if there is a chance either drops to #27.

I thought his Senior Bowl sucked?

 

[Hoofbite]

I think Iupati could be a solid pick.

I think if you were to get this guy in a pro training program he could get a lot stronger and probably a little bigger.

He definitely wouldn't be a really sexy pick but he would be a really good pick and a pick that would pay big dividends. He looks like he moves pretty well for a guy his size.

Imagine if he could get another 10 pounds on. You're talking 340+ at both guard positions.

 

[Randy White]

with Iupati is this:

He fits the Cowboys' system to a T. Even his weakness ( open space blocking ) is something he wouldn't have to worry about too much because the Cowboys don't ask their guards to block in space and he's NOT going to play tackle.

When Charley Casserly brought up smaller players getting under him and pushing him back as a red flag, I know exactly where he got that from. It was during the Senior bowl drills when scouts asked the coaches to line him up as an OT to see if he can play the position. He looked terrible. He couldn't block the speed rushers because he didn't use his legs properly, and he stood straight up, allowing those rushers to get under his pads and drive him back. Ironically, those drills uncovered a player that's been rocketing up the draft boards lately and the Cowboys alledgedly are interested in: Tyson Alualu. Alualu completely destroyed Iupati when he was lined up as an OT and that's when people started to notice him as someone other than just another DT/DE.

Since Iupati should never see the field as an OT, those weaknesses don't have to be that big of a deal, however his strenght would be incredibly valuable to rebuild the O-line.

I know right now it's still alot of " ifs ", but " if " the Cowboys draft Iupati, and " if " Free improves on what he did last season, and " if " Robert Brewster proves the coaches' faith in him were valid, the Cowboys would be 3 quarters of the way to rebuilding a starting O-line that could last another 10-12 years. They would still need to find replacements for Biggs and Gurode in the next couple of years, " if " they don't find them this year ( long shot ), but they'd be way ahead of the game.

 

[UnoDallas]

Poucey gets drafted before Iupati because he can OG an C

Iupati is really just a OG - maybe in a couple of years he he may be able to play LT who knows

Scouting Report-There are Big Conference scouting gurus everywhere kicking themselves for letting Iupati end up at Idaho. You look up road grader in the dictionary and here's who you see. He's got a massive frame with long arms and huge hands. He's not your typical fat boy and carries his 330lbs really well. Going along with that, he's about as athletic a guy for his height and weight in the draft. You love a nasty attitude and Iupati has it in spades. He throws a big punch and never takes a play off. Loves to finish strong and that usually means dropping the yokozuna on a defensive player. Now he's not too good to be true but he does have some shortcomings. He's not real quick, and doesn't work well against the edge, having to drop out and picking players up on the outside. This goes along with blitz pickup. He makes excellent reads and knows what to do on every play but there are times when his body just won't let him get there. Some of this is footwork. You have to admit when you've been able to physically dominate like he has, your footwork and techique is going to take a backseat


Draft Status-It seems every year a guy like Iupati sneaks into the first round. I'd have no problem with my team were picking in the bottom of the first and needed a guard drafted him. One thing that could effect his status is if a team thinks they can move him to tackle.

but he failed at that -

I'm not ridin' that train. I suspect somewhere between pick 21-27 Iupati comes off the board

Final Analysis-Love Iupati's game. I don't think he can move to tackle and as a guard he's much better in small spaces then pulling or at the second level. But for a team that plays a lot of 4-3 defenses where he's going to have one on one's against another wide body, point of attack, he's going to win those. As I said, his pass pro is going to have to improve, but that's pretty minimal. Give him a run heavy team and he'll dominate. Some are concerned he hasn't played dominate defenses but that doesn't bug me. He can maul people and works hard. That can't be underestimated. Conditioning and effort won't be an issue and teams have to appreciate that

this why I trade with NE of the Bengals - because Philly or GB will pick him - Draft Tec got him going at 13 to SF - sorry hes not that good yet - 17 SF an 18 Steelers I just don't see them wasting a high pick on a Gaurd where we have the luxury to do so

 

[UnoDallas]

I love Casserly put down of Pouncey

 

[Arch Stanton]

I love Casserly put down of Pouncey

 

[Doomsday101]

I like both very much but if I had to pick between them I'm going with the bigger man Mike Iupati at 6'5" 331

 

[Cowboy Brian]

Iupati will be going to the 49ers if T.Williams and Bulaga dont fall to #13, then they will take him at #17. If they take one of the ots with #13, then they wont take Iupati at #17, then if the Steelers like Pouncey or Iupati one will be gone then, and from there it is a freefall to us.

49ers and Steelers = where to watch, everyother team infront of us has bigger needs to address.

 

[CATCH17]

I like both very much but if I had to pick between them I'm going with the bigger man Mike Iupati at 6'5" 331

I like Pouncey better @ Center and Left Guard because he still has size and is a better athlete.

@ Right guard though I like Iupati better.

Between both players I like Pounceys upside more.

 

[ejthedj]

Yes, there is a strong chance for Pouncey and an ok chance for Iupati. Check my mock draft analysis in the draft zone.

And, guards usually fall on draft day. So, I'd say there's a 75% chance one of them will be there.

 

[Doomsday101]

I like Pouncey better @ Center and Left Guard because he still has size and is a better athlete.

@ Right guard though I like Iupati better.

Between both players I like Pounceys upside more.

I understand I just likes them big. :laugh2:

Both players grade out about the same and would be happy with either man. Hopefully they are still out there when the Cowboys pick.

 

[dbair1967]

I really wouldnt be shocked if both of them were there at 27. Probably wont be, but it wouldnt be a huge surprise to me either.

 

[Chuck 54]

If your RB is Choice or MBIII, big powerful grinders who aren't very athletic and can't block in space may be the #1 choice.

However, we have a young, budding star RB named Felix Jones, who is more in the mold of Tony Dorsett. I'd prefer we rebuild our aging line with guys like Doug Free at every position, guys who can pass block in a passing league for a team with a probowl QB...guys who can run, pull, trap, block smaller guys downfield and on the corners for a speedy, shifty rb who is a threat to take it to the house on every play.

I think our skill players and the type of league we play in now calls for offensive linemen more in the mold of the successful Broncos teams...it doesn't mean you have weak blockers...it just means you don't have powerful guys who can outmuscle a guy but can't stay with a quick guy or block a LB or DB. We ran the ball well with Free at RT...but I'd like to see us get more mobile at every position.

Too bad guys like Larry Allen, who are both incredibly powerful and incredibly mobile don't grow on trees.

 

[Doomsday101]

If your RB is Choice or MBIII, big powerful grinders who aren't very athletic and can't block in space may be the #1 choice.

However, we have a young, budding star RB named Felix Jones, who is more in the mold of Tony Dorsett. I'd prefer we rebuild our aging line with guys like Doug Free at every position, guys who can pass block in a passing league for a team with a probowl QB...guys who can run, pull, trap, block smaller guys downfield and on the corners for a speedy, shifty rb who is a threat to take it to the house on every play.

I think our skill players and the type of league we play in now calls for offensive linemen more in the mold of the successful Broncos teams...it doesn't mean you have weak blockers...it just means you don't have powerful guys who can outmuscle a guy but can't stay with a quick guy or block a LB or DB. We ran the ball well with Free at RT...but I'd like to see us get more mobile at every position.

Too bad guys like Larry Allen, who are both incredibly powerful and incredibly mobile don't grow on trees.

They don't have trees big enough to grow a Larry Allen. :laugh2:

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Iupati just looked so bad at the Senior Bowl. Not the drills, but the actual game. He looked slow as molasses and then after the game said something about just having a bad day and how he didn't know where that came from.

None of it looked or sounded good to me.

I think I'd go with Pouncey. Gurode isn't any spring chicken anyway.

 

[Doomsday101]

Iupati just looked so bad at the Senior Bowl. Not the drills, but the actual game. He looked slow as molasses and then after the game said something about just having a bad day and how he didn't know where that came from.

None of it looked or sounded good to me.

I think I'd go with Pouncey. Gurode isn't any spring chicken anyway.

I still think you judge players on their body of work not 1 game especially a game that is a mixed group that is together for 1 week.

 

[CATCH17]

Iupati just looked so bad at the Senior Bowl. Not the drills, but the actual game. He looked slow as molasses and then after the game said something about just having a bad day and how he didn't know where that came from.

None of it looked or sounded good to me.

I think I'd go with Pouncey. Gurode isn't any spring chicken anyway.

Iupati is extremely raw and you can tell just by watching him.

He gives great effort but his technique is do-do.


If we draft him Cowboy fans will have him marked down as a bust quickly but the truth is he needs a lot of coaching.

If he is willing to work hard and do what he is taught by our coaches than he should be a success.

 

[jobberone]

I'm more sold on Pouncey than Iupati. And Pouncey can play G as well as C.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Iupati is extremely raw and you can tell just by watching him.

He gives great effort but his technique is do-do.


If we draft him Cowboy fans will have him marked down as a bust quickly but the truth is he needs a lot of coaching.

If he is willing to work hard and do what he is taught by our coaches than he should be a success.

Maybe so, but I don't know that you can coach up slow feet. Even Bigg gets beat that way sometimes and he played LT before, something Iupati could never do.

Obviously I could be wrong, because how many of us have watched Idaho play very much? I sure haven't. But he feels to me like one of those guys people love because of his height and weight numbers.