Can Julius return to form?

[hendog]

Can Julius return to his running style before BP turned him into a pile diver?

Man I hope so. I miss that cat.

 

[superpunk]

Do we have four of the worst run defenses in the league on the schedule this year? If so, maybe.

Who knows? He could have some epiphany, or he may just be what he has been - an average back who is capable of having breakout games now and again, particularly against bad defenses.

Let's hope for the best.

 

[CATCH17]

Do we have four of the worst run defenses in the league on the schedule this year? If so, maybe.

Who knows? He could have some epiphany, or he may just be what he has been - an average back who is capable of having breakout games now and again, particularly against bad defenses.

Let's hope for the best.

I'd hate for us to give up on him and he turn out to be anything like his brother or Tiki Barber.

If you get Julius in any kind of space he will hurt you. Im interested in see'ing how the RB situation shakes out.

 

[superpunk]

I'd hate for us to give up on him and he turn out to be anything like his brother or Tiki Barber.

If you get Julius in any kind of space he will hurt you. Im interested in see'ing how the RB situation shakes out.

I'd hate that too...altho I don't really know that his brother is any better than him. I guess when you account that Thomas was his team's only offensive threat to speak of, considering noone knew when Sexy Rexy would show up. I need Julius to improve though. I'm tired of watching Steven Jackson, then turning back to my Boys, and seeing Jones and Spears, and then weeping. :

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Jones is not a feature back. You can tell as the season wears on that the hits are stacking up on him. You reduce him down to 10ish carries a game and I suspect hell tear some yardage up.

He starts the season on fire averaging over 100 yards a game but also over 20 carries a game and then the wheels fall off. Hes an excellent player he was just like many other guys misused by Parcells.

 

[CATCH17]

I'd hate that too...altho I don't really know that his brother is any better than him. I guess when you account that Thomas was his team's only offensive threat to speak of, considering noone knew when Sexy Rexy would show up. I need Julius to improve though. I'm tired of watching Steven Jackson, then turning back to my Boys, and seeing Jones and Spears, and then weeping. :

The jury is still out for me on Spears.

Hes hurt his knee in 2 training camps and obviously the style of defense we asked him to play is not going to make him stand out what so ever.

Its year 3 for Spears and if he can play to the level we thought he could in this defense that allows everyone to make plays, and Julius is just a 1200 yard back then im still ok with the Stephen Jackson thing.

 

[Rampage]

Do we have four of the worst run defenses in the league on the schedule this year? If so, maybe.

Who knows? He could have some epiphany, or he may just be what he has been - an average back who is capable of having breakout games now and again, particularly against bad defenses.

Let's hope for the best.

you can't tell yet cause teams can change so much from year to year. look at the saints

 

[BrassCowboy]

The jury is still out for me on Spears.

Hes hurt his knee in 2 training camps and obviously the style of defense we asked him to play is not going to make him stand out what so ever.

Its year 3 for Spears and if he can play to the level we thought he could in this defense that allows everyone to make plays, and Julius is just a 1200 yard back then im still ok with the Stephen Jackson thing.

I agree fully with your assessment here.

I think both players were terribly misused and put in a style that they are not used to having success with. Our defense was just asked to contain and try to do it all alone. I remember reading that BP wanted Julius Jones to run through the hole that the play was designed for more often... well when the hole breaks down or is never there, then you hit a pile. Also, that he didn't want Julius to be too flashy with his improvision and to hold onto the ball with both hands when running to avoid fumbles. Of course he is not going to stiff arm and used his arms as leverage to make his cuts if he has in his mind that a coach is going to nail him for it out of fear of making that big "mistake".

Phillips will be a much better coach than BP.

 

[superpunk]

you can't tell yet cause teams can change so much from year to year. look at the saints

That was rhetorical.

 

[burmafrd]

Carolina was not a bad run D; Seattle was not all that bad, and neither was the bears.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Time to find a new running back. I say we spend a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

 

[superpunk]

Carolina was not a bad run D; Seattle was not all that bad, and neither was the bears.

I've shown you this before burm - the Bears and Hawks were awful Ds, and surrendered around 200 yards to multiple backs in 2004.

Right now Julius is an average back that can break out once in a while, generally against a terrible defense (Carolina is an exception). I had hoped for more than that - but he was just a second round pick. Like I said, it's just that watching S. Jackson is painful, considering we've gotten nowhere near that production out of JJ.

 

[burmafrd]

Jackson has had injury problems as well- and only exploded this year. You said those were the 4 worst rush D's in the league- and unless they were ranked 29-32 you are full of it. And which backs gained around 200 yds against carolina and seatle besides JJ- come up with their names.

 

[Cochese]

Next year we find out if Jones is really mediocre, or if big meanie Parcells was really trying to ruin his career. Personally, I vote for Jones being mediocre.

 

[superpunk]

Jackson has had injury problems as well- and only exploded this year. You said those were the 4 worst rush D's in the league- and unless they were ranked 29-32 you are full of it. And which backs gained around 200 yds against carolina and seatle besides JJ- come up with their names.

Are you going to keep making things up, or can we discuss this like adults?

 

[burmafrd]

outside of the guy who hates ND so bad that no player from that school will ever get a kind word from him, I think most of us are rational. And you are the one that talked about the WORST RUN DEFENSES. I said show that they were ranked 29-32 and I would agree. I also asked for the names of the backs that had run for 194 yds+ against Seattle in 2004 and Carolina in 2005.
That seems reasonable to me.

 

[superpunk]

outside of the guy who hates ND so bad that no player from that school will ever get a kind word from him, I think most of us are rational. And you are the one that talked about the WORST RUN DEFENSES. I said show that they were ranked 29-32 and I would agree. I also asked for the names of the backs that had run for 194 yds+ against Seattle in 2004 and Carolina in 2005.
That seems reasonable to me.

It seems reasonable to me to expect that you would read what is actually written, and not editorialize it. I asked a rhetorical question - it was a joke referencing Julius' ability to roll up on bad run defenses. So I said four OF THE worst. Not the four worst. There's a difference, and there's nothing for you to agree with. Grammar is your friend.

In addition, I said nothing about Carolina surrendering around 200 yards, and I never said Seattle allowed more than Julius gained on them. But, here's what other backs did against the Bears and Seahawks (who I actually DID reference, but you somehow read Chicago as Carolina ) I'll include NY, who Julius rolled on

Before Seattle played us in 04, they gave up 120 yards and 4 TDs to McGahee. Before that Faulk torched them for 139 yards. After they played us Martin ran for 134 and 2 TDs against them.

The week before we played Chicago, they allowed James to run for 200 yards and a TD, and Rhodes an extra 50. The week after they allowed MIN to rush for 129 yards on 19 carries, a 6.8 yard average. Folowed by Dominick Davis getting 100 and a TD.

NY allowed 160 yards to PIT, 170 to BAL, and 211 to WAshington before playing us.

The rankings of those defenses?

BEars - 25th ranked rushing d
Seattle - 23rd ranked rushing D
NY Giants - 28th ranked rushing D

Some of the worst in the league.

I hope he can be more consistent. But right now, he's just inconsistent and average at best. Blaming that on anyone but Julius is ridiculous.

 

[CATCH17]

I've shown you this before burm - the Bears and Hawks were awful Ds, and surrendered around 200 yards to multiple backs in 2004.

Right now Julius is an average back that can break out once in a while, generally against a terrible defense (Carolina is an exception). I had hoped for more than that - but he was just a second round pick. Like I said, it's just that watching S. Jackson is painful, considering we've gotten nowhere near that production out of JJ.

Yeah but do you take the 2 back system into account? Its not like Dallas doesnt produce big in the running game.

 

[superpunk]

Yeah but do you take the 2 back system into account? Its not like Dallas doesnt produce big in the running game.

Considering Julius hasn't really shown he can carry the load, even if we make him the feature for an extended period without injury, i don't know that that's relevant. It would be cool if Julius excelled at what he did - being the #1 in a platoon system. But he's just ok at it. Jackson excels at what he does. It'd be best for us if we could say the same about Julius, even if his stats were inferior. WAtching the two in action, though, it's night and day so far in talent level.

 

[CATCH17]

Considering Julius hasn't really shown he can carry the load, even if we make him the feature for an extended period without injury, i don't know that that's relevant. It would be cool if Julius excelled at what he did - being the #1 in a platoon system. But he's just ok at it. Jackson excels at what he does. It'd be best for us if we could say the same about Julius, even if his stats were inferior. WAtching the two in action, though, it's night and day so far in talent level.

How do you expect him to show he can carry the load when he isnt allowed to?