News: Can RGIII be a good fit for the Dallas Cowboys?

[DeaconMoss]

NO

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

I dont know if its because he's a Commander, or some other factor but some of yall go off the deep end when talking about RG3. We really up here talking about Jameill Showers as being a better option? What has he done in this league?

lmao
how is it going off the deep end?

they are both read options QBs potentially playing in Turner Air Coryell E.P. systems.

one is broken the other is fresh.

if you're saying RG3 has more talent. Where is the evidence of that in the NFL?

im asking a logical question and putting this subject in context. im not trying to argue im trying to educate myself here. im trying to find some persuasive evidence to back RG3.

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

RG3 has talent. I don't understand the hate for him on this board. The biggest concern with him is his injury history. I would not expect him to be the future because of his injury history but a backup qb. He would be perfect. You never heard a peep out of him in Washington this year even though he was benched.

whats his talent again and how is it still evident in the NFL?

i dont hate HIM per se. I just dont understand how he fits the Cowboys system at all.

if he comes in and he fits like a glove than BEAUTIFUL! Im down.

but from a distance here im just not seeing how this piece fits the cowboys system.

can anyone please explain this.

 

[baltcowboy]

whats his talent again and how is it still evident in the NFL?

i dont hate HIM per se. I just dont understand how he fits the Cowboys system at all.

if he comes in and he fits like a glove than BEAUTIFUL! Im down.

but from a distance here im just not seeing how this piece fits the cowboys system.

can anyone please explain this.

His arm and athletic ability is his talent. We just have not seen it in two years. He is 25 years old. He is not a bad guy. He could be Michael Vick when he got out of jail for the Eagles.

I will admit the only quarterback that has succeeded in the Garrett system is Romo. I still think we need to draft a qb. Bob is worth taking a look at.

 

[CCBoy]

whats his talent again and how is it still evident in the NFL?

i dont hate HIM per se. I just dont understand how he fits the Cowboys system at all.

if he comes in and he fits like a glove than BEAUTIFUL! Im down.

but from a distance here im just not seeing how this piece fits the cowboys system.

can anyone please explain this.

For starters, he was held captive in a team run by owner, Daniel Snyder. He's not known for sterling decisions or a coach that lasts four seasons.

Second, when a new coach comes into an organization, the starter's current job is on a death list. RGIII was coming off an injury and did not meet the job descriptions of the new coaching staff.

They quit trying to develop him, and even left him off game day rosters...the kiss of death.

As to injury, unless his career is in fact over, he should be fully healthy now. He should be able to assume a full learning load as well as the ability to work hard through changes.

The still - kid, has a great skill set not limited by the schemes was was placed within up until now.

Oh, he has talent still, and despite a crowd with whispers from the dead, could develop when not pressed, in Dallas. Dallas will be depending deeply upon the shoulders of Tony Romo. No matter who complains about what. That's just what it is, for the immediate future in Dallas.

A move to Dallas, would ease his growth. Take pressure off of his shoulders to adjust on the fly. And allow him to learn under the tutelage of a quality NFL quarterback in Tony Romo. Tony will spend the time without sinking vampire fangs to draw blood from the backup. The upend guy, RGIII, could learn as Tony once did. And he may have an even higher ceiling than did Tony when he started out under Bledsoe.

 

[cowboyschmps3]

Bring him in

 

[The Natural]

lmao
how is it going off the deep end?

they are both read options QBs potentially playing in Turner Air Coryell E.P. systems.

one is broken the other is fresh.

if you're saying RG3 has more talent. Where is the evidence of that in the NFL?

im asking a logical question and putting this subject in context. im not trying to argue im trying to educate myself here. im trying to find some persuasive evidence to back RG3.

Do me this favor, re-read my original post and answer the question

We really up here talking about Jameill Showers as being a better option? What has he done in this league?

 

[8FOR!3]

If we're not going with Johnny I'd as soon as us keep Kellen on the roster assuming we draft Carson Wentz.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Wow, a person actually running for Hall Monitor in a Junior High School...post something of relevance, then. Son

No time in grade...this posting was from a Cowboy board, from someone trying to be helpful. Unlike your, I'm part of the singing in We Are The World.

See a Recruiter and get real...

Remain a citizen. Real for me.

 

[RS12]

Dont like the bargain bin stuff.

 

[jobberone]

a read option QB who has trouble reading defenses, trouble passing, and trouble running to play in a Turner Air Coryell (with Erhardt-Perkins elements) system?

How exactly?

People still call the vertical offense 'Air Coryell' but it is not the same offense excepting the basics. No one really runs a late 70s-early 80s Air Coryell system now.

That system depended on a RB who could run between the tackles and create problems for the defense having to alter to defend that; two vertical threats stretching the field and occupying the safety(s); and a hybrid/TE who could line up anywhere and create huge mismatches underneath, the intermediate routes, seams and even deep routes. So the vertical offense is still there but it has morphed into multiple hybrids esp with 4-5 WRs and multiple TEs.

Teams no do not require or use a RB like that although some are getting back to it as other teams play base nickel and other SPs to defend the pass. And the passing game is now in the forefront esp after the Blount rule and those that followed allowing all the variations in offenses you see today.

And QBs are generally still primarily pocket passers but those who can run the ball including the read option create even more difficulties for defenses.

Terminology goes back a long ways and is unimportant as long as it is consistent. Erhardt-Perkins is more terminology than anything.

So as long as RGIII can read defenses, learn our terminology and pass accurately then his read options and other runs/scrambles are a huge plus. IDK how well he reads nor how well he can learn.

Unless he has an unstable knee and/or MCL and cartilaginous injuries then his knees are likely ok.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Dont like the bargain bin stuff.

The way Jerry is looking at the bargin bin QBs is freaking me out.

 

[the_h0wey]

Can RGIII be a good fit for the Dallas Cowboys?



Think back to the year 2012. I know it was only four years ago but some act like it was a decade ago. The Dallas Cowboys rolled into Fed Ex field, Week 17 with the NFC East division title on the line. Prior to this matchup Robert Griffin III lit up the Cowboys on Thanksgiving day. If it wasn’t for the heroics of Tony Romo, it would have been a Thanksgiving massacre. Griffin and the Commanders held onto the lead after a vintage Cowboys comeback. Griffin was doing everything he could to lead his team to victory.

On this day, Jerry Jones fell in love with RG3 and you could tell during every interview with him before and after the game. Washington had a playoff spot in his rookie season. This lead to crowning RG3 Offensive Rookie of the Year. In week 17, he showed the NFL just how tough he was. RG3 was facing a daunting knee injury but still played. It was clear just how limited he was.

With his lack of ability to run Griffin went 9-for-18 with 100 yards through the air. He still managed to gain 63 yards on the ground even with a hurt leg. Although it wasn’t impressive, it was a gritty performance. This lead to RG3 confronting Tony Romo after the game to tell him to keep his head up. After Romo threw a late game interception to essentially cost Dallas the game. It’s crazy how quickly things can change in the NFL. Griffin went on to only play thirteen games in 2013 posting decent numbers after coming off an injury.

However, 2014 was a nightmare leading to the demise of RG3. Griffin played in 12 games but was apart of the biggest quarterback carousel with Kirk Cousins and Colt McCoy. This lead to coach Jay Gruden naming Kirk Cousins his starting quarterback for the 2015 season. RG3 was inactive all of last season. Although many might see this as a negative, it gave RG3 a year to rest his body. People will never forget the way Washington handled RG3 and his knee during his rookie season. Against Seattle, it nearly looked like RG3 wouldn’t be able to walk after he was destroyed by the end of the night. This was after RG3 tore his ACL at Baylor in 2009. Time off could be a blessing physically and mentally for RG3 who has been scrutinized for being selfish. However the biggest baggage he has is outsiders questioning his character and injury history. If RG3 isn’t humbled by last season then I don’t know what will do it.

If I’m the Cowboys I am doing everything I can to get RG3 in Dallas. Art Briles close friend of the Cowboys organization said it would be a “dream fit” and I agree. As a backup quarterback, RG3 can provide production with his legs much like Michael Vick did for Philadelphia. Do I think RG3 can be an elite starting quarterback? No I can’t sit here and say that right now. However I will not doubt his work ethic and his desire to win especially after losing everything since 2012. I am on board with bringing RG3 in.



Read more at http://cover32.com/2016/02/04/can-rgiii-be-a-good-fit-for-the-dallas-cowboys/#b9kZtoK5wKycVlRZ.99

With Romo's age and injury history having a capable back up is a must. Always felt comfortable when we had Kitna or Orton as our backup. Not sure why we thought rolling with Weeden going into the season last year was a good idea.

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

Do me this favor, re-read my original post and answer the question

Sure,

What has RG3 done?

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

His arm and athletic ability is his talent. We just have not seen it in two years. He is 25 years old. He is not a bad guy. He could be Michael Vick when he got out of jail for the Eagles.

I will admit the only quarterback that has succeeded in the Garrett system is Romo. I still think we need to draft a qb. Bob is worth taking a look at.

I'm okay with giving him a shot I just don't see how he fits. But I like ur optimism.

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

People still call the vertical offense 'Air Coryell' but it is not the same offense excepting the basics. No one really runs a late 70s-early 80s Air Coryell system now.

That system depended on a RB who could run between the tackles and create problems for the defense having to alter to defend that; two vertical threats stretching the field and occupying the safety(s); and a hybrid/TE who could line up anywhere and create huge mismatches underneath, the intermediate routes, seams and even deep routes. So the vertical offense is still there but it has morphed into multiple hybrids esp with 4-5 WRs and multiple TEs.

Teams no do not require or use a RB like that although some are getting back to it as other teams play base nickel and other SPs to defend the pass. And the passing game is now in the forefront esp after the Blount rule and those that followed allowing all the variations in offenses you see today.

And QBs are generally still primarily pocket passers but those who can run the ball including the read option create even more difficulties for defenses.

Terminology goes back a long ways and is unimportant as long as it is consistent. Erhardt-Perkins is more terminology than anything.

So as long as RGIII can read defenses, learn our terminology and pass accurately then his read options and other runs/scrambles are a huge plus. IDK how well he reads nor how well he can learn.

Unless he has an unstable knee and/or MCL and cartilaginous injuries then his knees are likely ok.

Thank u for this. I appreciate you breaking it down like this. I'm gonna ruminate on it. This is exactly the kind of Info I want to hear about systems.

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

For starters, he was held captive in a team run by owner, Daniel Snyder. He's not known for sterling decisions or a coach that lasts four seasons.

Second, when a new coach comes into an organization, the starter's current job is on a death list. RGIII was coming off an injury and did not meet the job descriptions of the new coaching staff.

They quit trying to develop him, and even left him off game day rosters...the kiss of death.

As to injury, unless his career is in fact over, he should be fully healthy now. He should be able to assume a full learning load as well as the ability to work hard through changes.

The still - kid, has a great skill set not limited by the schemes was was placed within up until now.

Oh, he has talent still, and despite a crowd with whispers from the dead, could develop when not pressed, in Dallas. Dallas will be depending deeply upon the shoulders of Tony Romo. No matter who complains about what. That's just what it is, for the immediate future in Dallas.

A move to Dallas, would ease his growth. Take pressure off of his shoulders to adjust on the fly. And allow him to learn under the tutelage of a quality NFL quarterback in Tony Romo. Tony will spend the time without sinking vampire fangs to draw blood from the backup. The upend guy, RGIII, could learn as Tony once did. And he may have an even higher ceiling than did Tony when he started out under Bledsoe.

Well said. I will take ur words into consideration. Thank u.

 

[Hoofbite]

Now that Manziel as eliminated himself, I'll pass on RG3.

Has any QB who has failed as miserably as either of those two first their first team ever done anything?

 

[jobberone]

Thank u for this. I appreciate you breaking it down like this. I'm gonna ruminate on it.

YW. If you go back to Paul Brown and work forward you can see the development of the vertical offense. Supposedly Brown took the concept from another(s) but I don't know who they are if they exist. I'm afraid I only know the basics of its evolution.

Coryell is known as the father of the modern passing game but Sid Gillman is really the one who should be if you resist naming Paul Brown. Look at Gillman's coaching tree. BTW, he is the only coach to have been named to both the college and pro football HOF. TBF to Coryell he took Gillman's game and made it more dynamic by adding in the RB and TE to the passing game. Perhaps that is why Coryell gets the lion's share. Walsh is part of Gillman's and Brown's tree. I've posted a few times on how Walsh took what he had at SF and modified the vertical game 'inventing' the WCO which is just the short game of the vertical offense.

 

[jobberone]

Now that Manziel as eliminated himself, I'll pass on RG3.

Has any QB who has failed as miserably as either of those two first their first team ever done anything?

Yes. Jim Plunkett for one.