Can someone please explain?

[Little Jr]

Last year BP and company did not want to use the blitz and be aggressive becasue it could give up the big play. We got crushed the last five games on D anyways.

The 1st game of this year we're not aggressive beacause of the injury to Newman and cant play man on the outside. We get 35 put on us and Manning and Plax have career days.

What the hell is the difference. It isnt working playing conservative. Try being aggressive and see what happens. Just wish someone could explain the train of thought here.

 

[Aikbach]

Reeves was playing with a big pocket and Williams continued to pick poor angles in deep coverage mixed with a sound manning release and a mediocre pass rush you saw what you saw Sunday night.

Some of it was injury, some of it was foolish lack of discipline with penalties and not wrapping up after the hit or staying on assignment in coverage, some of it was good game planning by New York and the intensity of a division rivalry.

 

[AdamJT13]

Most of Manning's passes came underneath zone coverage, not over the top. The long pass to Burress early was the only real "big play" we allowed in the passing game. They had some other nice gains (20, 21 and 27 yards) but none of those were behind the coverage. Our offense, just for comparison, had passes of 38, 47 and 51 yards, plus Owens' first TD catch that came 31 yards downfield (a 22-yarder that he caught in the back of the end zone). That's what you're trying to avoid by playing softer zone coverage.

And we still blitzed more -- and often differently -- than we did last season. Newman's absence changed our coverages, but I don't think it changed our blitzes a whole lot.

 

[Little Jr]

Reeves was playing with a big pocket and Williams continued to pick poor angles in deep coverage mixed with a sound manning release and a mediocre pass rush you saw what you saw Sunday night.

Some of it was injury, some of it was foolish lack of discipline with penalties and not wrapping up after the hit or staying on assignment in coverage, some of it was good game planning by New York and the intensity of a division rivalry.

I understand all that. This D is giving up 30+ pts in thier last 6 games though. Its been done with a consevative approach to stop the big play and they are still getting rolled up.

My question is if you're getting 30+ put on you a game why not try something different? They're being conservative and still giving up huge plays. Just doesnt make much sense to me. Try something different. Obvious what they are doing isnt working.

 

[AdamJT13]

Williams continued to pick poor angles in deep coverage

Roy didn't allow any deep catches. The longest catch he allowed was 16 yards, when the receiver caught the ball in front of him, and he made a nice tackle.

 

[Aikbach]

Roy didn't allow any deep catches. The longest catch he allowed was 16 yards, when the receiver caught the ball in front of him, and he made a nice tackle.

I don't follow the bash Roy at all costs crowd but he was glaringly absent as support for Reeves on several occasions, two them were touchdown passes.

 

[Little Jr]

Most of Manning's passes came underneath zone coverage, not over the top. The long pass to Burress early was the only real "big play" we allowed in the passing game. They had some other nice gains (20, 21 and 27 yards) but none of those were behind the coverage. Our offense, just for comparison, had passes of 38, 47 and 51 yards, plus Owens' first TD catch that came 31 yards downfield (a 22-yarder that he caught in the back of the end zone). That's what you're trying to avoid by playing softer zone coverage.

And we still blitzed more -- and often differently -- than we did last season. Newman's absence changed our coverages, but I don't think it changed our blitzes a whole lot.

They might not have had the big play but like you said they had some nice gains and still put up 35. Thats what I dont understand. We play the conservative coverages but yet still get scored on. Really doesnt matter if you give up big plays or small ones. If they other team is putting up 30+ on you something needs to change.

 

[AdamJT13]

I don't follow the bash Roy at all costs crowd but he was glaringly absent as support for Reeves on several occasions, two them were touchdown passes.

What? Reeves allowed one TD pass -- a 4-yarder. Roy wasn't "absent" on a single catch allowed by Reeves.

 

[AdamJT13]

They might not have had the big play but like you said they had some nice gains and still put up 35. Thats what I dont understand. We play the conservative coverages but yet still get scored on. Really doesnt matter if you give up big plays or small ones.

When you play soft zone coverage, you make the opponent take the underneath stuff and force the quarterback to make good throws. And other than the one time Reeves jumped the route and Burress slipped, Manning did just that. Any good quarterback can move the ball against zone coverage when he's not making mistakes, especially if he throws the ball 41 times.

[/quote]If they other team is putting up 30+ on you something needs to change.[/quote]

We can start by not turning the ball over twice deep in our own territory. Oh, and getting our best cover guy back from injury would help, too.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What? Reeves allowed one TD pass -- a 4-yarder. Roy wasn't "absent" on a single catch allowed by Reeves.

And Williams took a bad angle on the coverage. I agree that the hyperbole about Williams is unfounded but he screwed the proverbial pooch playing that shallow.

 

[AdamJT13]

And Williams took a bad angle on the coverage. I agree that the hyperbole about Williams is unfounded but he **** playing that shallow.

So now Roy's getting blamed for Burress' second TD catch, too? This is getting ridiculous. That was a simple curl 1-on-1 against Reeves. And how would Roy possibly be blamed for playing "too shallow" on a 4-yard TD catch against Reeves?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So now Roy's getting blamed for Burress' second TD catch, too? This is getting ridiculous. That was a simple curl 1-on-1 against Reeves. And how would Roy possibly be blamed for playing "too shallow" on a 4-yard TD catch against Reeves?

Adam, deep breaths brah. i wasnt talking about the curl. i am very aware that Roy did not have time to get across in time to get to that. That was either on Reeves or the coaching staff for making him play 10 yards off.

Im talking about the one where Reeves and him were to double to that side and while Reeves got the coverage to the outside and underneath Roy screwed up and allowed Burress to get 5 yards behind him.

He looked awful in coverage there. Really you need to relax though your crusade to defend williams is nice but as I said for the most part i agree with you that people are being entirely unfair in assessing blame especially when you look at the play by our corners.

 

[Baileyneverfailey]

Look, I love Roy but there's no way that 3rd TD to Burress wasn't his fault. He was bracketing him with Reeves, and Plax just caught it right behind Roy. There was literally not a single other Giant on that side of the field. Roy just didn't get deep enough. He tried to reach up and deflect it but he was just out of position. It happens.

 

[AdamJT13]

Im talking about the one where Reeves and him were to double to that side and while Reeves got the coverage to the outside and underneath Roy **** up and allowed Burress to get 5 yards behind him.

Then why did you respond to my comment about the 4-yard TD catch Reeves allowed, saying "And Williams took a bad angle on the coverage"?

How am I supposed to know when you're talking about one play, but you mean an entirely different play?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Then why did you respond to my comment about the 4-yard TD catch Reeves allowed, saying "And Williams took a bad angle on the coverage"?

How am I supposed to know when you're talking about one play, but you mean an entirely different play?

i was responding to your comment that Roy wasnt absent on any TD catch that Reeves allowed.

 

[AdamJT13]

Look, I love Roy but there's no way that 3rd TD to Burress wasn't his fault.

It was his fault. Henry allowed one TD, Reeves allowed one TD, and Roy allowed one TD.

 

[AdamJT13]

i was responding to your comment that Roy wasnt absent on any TD catch that Reeves allowed.

He wasn't. Roy allowed the last TD, not Reeves. Like I said, Roy wasn't "absent" on any catch -- TD or not -- that Reeves allowed. Most of what Reeves allowed came underneath his zone. On the longest catch Reeves allowed (20 yards), Roy was blitzing, and Watkins was helping Reeves.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He wasn't. Roy allowed the last TD, not Reeves. Like I said, Roy wasn't "absent" on any catch -- TD or not -- that Reeves allowed. Most of what Reeves allowed came underneath his zone. On the longest catch Reeves allowed (20 yards), Roy was blitzing, and Watkins was helping Reeves.

Well if you want to look at it as all or nothing then fine. Its not as if Reeves was covering well on the play. He was trailing Burress by about 3 or more yards and it was supposed to be bracket coverage. Id say both were bad on the play its just that Roy completely screwed the pooch.

 

[Little Jr]

We can start by not turning the ball over twice deep in our own territory. Oh, and getting our best cover guy back from injury would help, too.

I agree with that. That was 10 pts. I still dont wont them given up 25 a game either. All teams give up TO's. At some point I would like to see them step up and stop them.

This D is given up 30+ pts a game the last 6 games. That isnt good no matter how anyone looks at it. Scheme, players or whatever it is it needs to change.

Newman will help so I'm holding out hope when he gets back in there they will turn it around.

 

[eduncan22]

Last year BP and company did not want to use the blitz and be aggressive becasue it could give up the big play. We got crushed the last five games on D anyways.

The 1st game of this year we're not aggressive beacause of the injury to Newman and cant play man on the outside. We get 35 put on us and Manning and Plax have career days.

What the hell is the difference. It isnt working playing conservative. Try being aggressive and see what happens. Just wish someone could explain the train of thought here.

We need more talent at corner.

Without Newman, the problem is even worse.

Reeves shows some promise, but he needs work.

Jones is another corner that needs work.

Henry? I've given up on this player ever being more than a bust.


This has been a problem going back all the way to opening day 2005.