Can someone please explain?

[joseephuss]

Last year BP and company did not want to use the blitz and be aggressive becasue it could give up the big play. We got crushed the last five games on D anyways.

The 1st game of this year we're not aggressive beacause of the injury to Newman and cant play man on the outside. We get 35 put on us and Manning and Plax have career days.

What the hell is the difference. It isnt working playing conservative. Try being aggressive and see what happens. Just wish someone could explain the train of thought here.

Well it is hard to compare the two situations because of Newman's absence. That is the simplest explanation. He is good in man coverage, which allows other things to happen on defense. Basically the coaches did not have confidence in Reeves to cover man to man.

Dallas played aggressive defense in 2003 with Newman manning his corner spot.

 

[Doomsday101]

It was his fault. Henry allowed one TD, Reeves allowed one TD, and Roy allowed one TD.

Henry took the blame but Phillips said it was a 2 deep zone coverage on that TD and there was no safety back there.

 

[eduncan22]

Henry took the blame but Phillips said it was a 2 deep zone coverage on that TD and there was no safety back there.

I guess Roy can't cover the entire field.


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[Dogwood]

Roy Williams is fine in coverage.

This is from the guy that told us that Al Johnson was doing just fine at center.

Everything's fine.

 

[dargonking999]

The main problem was missed assignments, and misscommunicaton.

That can be fixed

Getting Newman back also helps that out,

When you have a guy that you can say, "ok you got the left side" and know that you aint even gotta look to the left side cause it's locked down, is a heck of alot better then looking side to side, trying to figure out who's gonna get burnt this play.

 

[NickZepp]

I think Roy did okay in coverage looking at the game. The only play where he may have made a big mistake was the TD early on. But Hamlin came in and said it was his fault after that play if you look so I'm not even 100% sure it was Roy's fault there.

Also Shockey had 5 catches in the first half for 41 yards. Zero catches in the 2nd half. Most of his catches early on Roy was right there to make the stop.

 

[lurkercowboy]

It was his fault. Henry allowed one TD, Reeves allowed one TD, and Roy allowed one TD.

Adam, what is your opinion on Reeves? Not just in this one game, but long term.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I'm listening to the Engel show and it's the Hour of Nate (Newton). He said he cornered Stewart yesterday, and Stewart said that our secondary guys were put in position, but were sometimes not trusting their alignments and were going to spots they shouldn't be in. Said that was kind of troubling that they were freelancing like that. (I got the idea he was talking about the safeties much more than the corners.)

But this is all part of the growing pains we're going to have to live with at first. It was the very first game of a new scheme, and you can't expect perfection from the very first game.

 

[AdamJT13]

Henry took the blame but Phillips said it was a 2 deep zone coverage on that TD and there was no safety back there.

Phillips never said it was two-deep zone. Rob Phillips' article was wrong about that. It was Cover 4, which means that Henry might not have help from Hamlin if Shockey runs a vertical route, which is exactly what happened.

 

[AdamJT13]

Roy Williams is fine in coverage.

This is from the guy that told us that Al Johnson was doing just fine at center.

Everything's fine.

I said Johnson wasn't as bad as a lot of people portrayed -- and he wasn't. A lot of people like you said he wasn't a starting center. I said at the time that when his contract was up, another team would sign him and make him their starter. And $17.5 million later, that's exactly what happened.

It's the same thing here. People are greatly exaggerating Roy's problems. People like you say Roy is not a Pro Bowl player, which is a bunch of baloney. And some people say he should be benched or cut, which is an even bigger bunch of baloney. Almost every other team in the NFL would LOVE to have Roy as their starting strong safety.

 

[Doomsday]

Henry took the blame but Phillips said it was a 2 deep zone coverage on that TD and there was no safety back there.

You could tell by the way Henry lined up and started his coverage he was expecting deep help, then he turned and noticed no one was there and tried to catch up but is slow as a mo fo and couldnt. It had to be Roy or Hamlin's fault.

 

[AdamJT13]

I think Roy did okay in coverage looking at the game. The only play where he may have made a big mistake was the TD early on. But Hamlin came in and said it was his fault after that play if you look so I'm not even 100% sure it was Roy's fault there.

It wasn't. In Cover 4, if the inside receiver on Roy's side doesn't run a vertical route, he plays over the top of the cornerback on HIS side, not the other side. When Manning threw the ball, Burress was still way over on the defense's right, in front of Hamlin (who was running outside with Shockey) and nowhere close to Roy (who had Toomer right in front of him).

From Henry's quote yesterday -- "I went inside and the safety had to go away, so that was a mistake on my behalf" -- it sounds like Henry and Hamlin should have switched off, but when Hamlin saw Henry staying with Burress ("inside"), Hamlin went to cover Shockey going outside on the flag route. Either way, the coverage on Burress had nothing to do with Roy, who was on the other side of the field.

Also Shockey had 5 catches in the first half for 41 yards. Zero catches in the 2nd half. Most of his catches early on Roy was right there to make the stop.

Shockey had one catch against Roy -- the 14-yarder when Roy got caught flat-footed and missed the tackle. His second catch was a 9-yard out against Bradie James. He had two catches (7 yards and 2 yards) when he stayed in to block, then released and caught a dumpoff pass when Manning was pressured. And he had the 9-yarder when Nate Jones mistakenly blitzed instead of covering him in the slot (Phillips talked about this play), then Hamlin missed the tackle.

 

[Doomsday]

The thing that bothers me the most is, these types of mental mistakes have been happening over and over and have plagued this defense for far too long. It makes me think of a quote from one of Bill's press conferences where he stated it is hard to stunt and use exotic looks when they continue to have mental breakdowns in their base defenses. Just makes me wonder if some of these guys will ever get it.

 

[zrinkill]

Roy Williams is fine in coverage.

This is from the guy that told us that Al Johnson was doing just fine at center.

Everything's fine.

A nobody who never post calling out AdamJT13, who gives the best info on this entire forum and always seems to be on the money when it comes to anything Cowboys.



I think I will trust Adam on this.

 

[BouncingCheese]

If we didn't play conservative on defense the way we did in this game there is a good chance we get blown out of the water so fast that we don't have time to recover. I think we were lucky that eli manning overthrew the ball as many times as he did... the giants left alot on the field.

Lets not get this confused, we played well, but we played well against a team that has been decimated by injuries to Brandon Jacobs who was playing pretty well, and Eli Manning. Besides, the giants are just not that good.

Wow, can anybody on the defensive line get ANY pressure? I am so glad at least we have anthony Spencer as a POSSIBLE help to D-ware. No pressure at all.