Can we discuss DeMarco

Derinyar

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Murray is having a great season. Some of that is him. Some of that is the line. Some of that is the passing game. Basically you can say the offense is having a great year and be 100% correct.

The issue when talking about resigning Murray isn't about what he's done this year, its about what do you think he's going to do going forward. First assumption that I think you have to make is this, he's not going to reproduce this season again in his career. Very few RB have produced multiple seasons with this many yards. Those are guys like Barry Sanders, Eric Dickerson, Adrian Peterson, and Walter Payton. I hope we don't have to argue that there's very little chance that Murray is in that class of RB talent. If you think he is there's not much conversation to be had on the topic. You want to pay the man 8-10 million a year to make sure he doesn't ever go anywhere.

So assuming that isn't true the big question is what is the baseline that you would expect Murray to actually move based around. And that's where the problems come in. I think many are thinking Murray is a true talent 1500 yard back. I'd argue that his more likely level is somewhere around 1200-1300 yards as a place to start adjusting from. I think you have to adjust it downward, because even if they resign Murray I think they have to give the backup more touches.

Murray did one major thing that he's never done before this year, he stayed healthy for 16 games. I don't think we can expect that again. Most players don't start staying healthier as they age, especially running backs. So if you look at him as more likely to be a 14 game player you have to go down some from the 1200 yard range. So that would make it more like 1100 yards. That's in the range of what he's done before. I don't think that the 1100-1200 yard DeMarco Murray is a top 5 RB. I think he's a top ten type but that's more like a 4-5 million dollar player as opposed to a 7-8 million dollar player. Those extra millions can do a lot for a team. That's where I basically look at it. If you really think Murray is a 1300+ yard back yearly from here for the life of a contract I think you can give him that 7-8. I just don't see it as likely due to what he's done before and how I imagine they will have to use him if they do sign him long term. You just can't keep handing a RB the ball that many times and expect him to last any reasonable amount of time, and if Murray gets a 15-20 million signing bonus you have to have him not a broken down pile of scrap for at least 2-3 years before you can cut him.
 

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Murray is having a great season. Some of that is him. Some of that is the line. Some of that is the passing game. Basically you can say the offense is having a great year and be 100% correct.

The issue when talking about resigning Murray isn't about what he's done this year, its about what do you think he's going to do going forward. First assumption that I think you have to make is this, he's not going to reproduce this season again in his career. Very few RB have produced multiple seasons with this many yards. Those are guys like Barry Sanders, Eric Dickerson, Adrian Peterson, and Walter Payton. I hope we don't have to argue that there's very little chance that Murray is in that class of RB talent. If you think he is there's not much conversation to be had on the topic. You want to pay the man 8-10 million a year to make sure he doesn't ever go anywhere.
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Adrian Peterson only has one season where he gained more than Murray gained this year. Peterson also has a 1760 yard season on his resume, but in every other season he has not reached 1400 yards. Murray doesn't need to gain 1800 yards to be effective and important for Dallas. Gaining 1300 to 1500 yards would be sufficient.
 

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He's quick and has great hands. My only scare with him is that he runs upright a lot. I like Jay Ajayi Boise, Jeremy Langford Michigan St, Devontae Booker Utah. Jay has some incredible footwork.

I like Ajayi but
My problem with Ajayi is he runs to where the hole is suppose to be. Maybe it's td he offense scheme but I don't see the vision or cut backs. He's a down hill runner that runs hard. If the hole isn't there he just runs into people.

Langford is alright. Seems slow at times but has good feet and vision.

I haven't seen enough of Booker
 

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Adrian Peterson only has one season where he gained more than Murray gained this year. Peterson also has a 1760 yard season on his resume, but in every other season he has not reached 1400 yards. Murray doesn't need to gain 1800 yards to be effective and important for Dallas. Gaining 1300 to 1500 yards would be sufficient.
Not this year. We needed every bit of that 1800 yards. With romo back we needed a good RB that could move the chains and not force us the throw the ball so much.

You take 300 to 400 yards away from Murray this yeat thay means Romo is having to try and throw for those yards meaning more chance at getting hurt.
 

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Not this year. We needed every bit of that 1800 yards. With romo back we needed a good RB that could move the chains and not force us the throw the ball so much.

You take 300 to 400 yards away from Murray this yeat thay means Romo is having to try and throw for those yards meaning more chance at getting hurt.

We needed Murray to rush a ton around the beginning of the year, I don't think we need an RB that rushes for nearly 200 yards every game or has over 30 attempts anymore. What I want now is for Murray to get about 20-21 carries a game and the rest to go to Randle, maybe even less for Murray. I just want the RB that is fresh to be on the field more.

I think Dallas might turn this league back into a rushing league again with their strategy. This is a copycat league.
 

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Not this year. We needed every bit of that 1800 yards. With romo back we needed a good RB that could move the chains and not force us the throw the ball so much.

You take 300 to 400 yards away from Murray this yeat thay means Romo is having to try and throw for those yards meaning more chance at getting hurt.

That is this year. If you think Dallas needs that type of rushing production every year then you will be disappointed because few if any backs have ever done it on a yearly basis. Dallas won big in it's last 3 games with Murray not producing big numbers. He produced moderate numbers and was a workhorse carrying the ball a lot. That is what is needed and what he is capable of doing.
 

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I like Ajayi but
My problem with Ajayi is he runs to where the hole is suppose to be. Maybe it's td he offense scheme but I don't see the vision or cut backs. He's a down hill runner that runs hard. If the hole isn't there he just runs into people.

Langford is alright. Seems slow at times but has good feet and vision.

I haven't seen enough of Booker

No cut backs? Watch some more on Ajayi. I saw some crazy cut backs that were effortless. Booker is a solid back. Dunno if he can block but, he's a solid build and a good runner. Nothing fancy, just gets the job done.
 

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No cut backs? Watch some more on Ajayi. I saw some crazy cut backs that were effortless. Booker is a solid back. Dunno if he can block but, he's a solid build and a good runner. Nothing fancy, just gets the job done.

i dont see them before he gets to the line. I see him run to where the hole is suppose to be then when he gets to the 2nd level he can do cut backs but in this scheme we have 2 lanes, the hole thats there might not be the hole to take. The RB needs to have the vision to read the LBs and see where they are going and cut back to the lane that hasn't developed yet, so when they get off the cut the lane is there. needs to have the patience to wait and see the lane develop and then hit it. See thats what I don't like about Randle, he's a fast hotter. Takes the ball and just goes hard at the hole. When its there great, he can run 60 yards, but when its not he doesnt look for the cutback and goes down at the line or just a 1 yard gain. I see Ajayi do that to much.
 

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5 years/30m
13m guaranteed

10m signing bonus
2015......1m
2016......2m
2017......4m
2018......6m
2019.......7m
 

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I would have sat him after the record.,but oh well

He shoulda had another long run, maybe td, on that non tackle.

I wouldve sat all starters after that. There was nothing to play for. But I guess It turned out ok
 

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Demarco had 12 touches when we sere up bog against the colts- we should have stopped ot at that- but instead we gove him another 30 touches for no apparent reason.

He needed to be rested.

What?
 
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