Can we find a RB better than JuJones in the draft?

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My thoughts are that we trade JuJones for the best draft picks we can acquire and sail him off into the sunset. Let's find a way to get Adrian Peterson and we're set. On a worse case basis my feeling is that JuJones is easily replaceable with one of our draft picks. He has been okay, but certainly not outstanding to date.
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joseephuss;1418217 said:
Easily replaceable? It would not be easy to get Peterson.

I agree it would not be easy. Dallas did do it before when we traded with the seahawks for their 1st and took Dorsett.
 

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I wouldn't say JuJo is "easily" replacable, but I also don't think AP is the only RB in the draft better then JuJo.
 

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Well there was another thread that pretty much asked this same question and scenario.
However it got off track with the pro/anti Julius crowd.

I would ask others to keep that mentality in that thread and stick to the topic in this one. Please give options of other players in FA or the Draft that could replace JJ or just say keep him. No need to have two threads of the pro/anti JJ guys going on and on. With that said...

I can think of nobody in FA off the top of my head to replace JJ.

The question is not about getting a full time back IMO...if we could get one in FA or the Draft that would be great but the question to me is with Barber being a good RB that lacks the speed to break long runs one would like to see we IMO should look at a RB that has that game breaking take it the distance speed and also a back that can create in the passing game.


I will be honest at this point and say I do not know enough about all of the RBs in the draft so If I will just mention a few.

I am not going to consider A.Peterson at this time because I don't see him falling and I don't think we would want to trade up THAT FAR by giving up too much.

So the obvious name given is M. Lynch. I doubt it would take too much to trade up to get him from GB at 16 (which seems to be where most project him to go). I guess a trade could be worked out to swap 1st round pics, Julius Jones and maybe them giving us a late round pick to even things out.

It also seems that M.Lynch also shared time in college and we would have Barber and Lynch used to these situations.

M. Bush. I liked him in college but I am not sure this is the person we want.
He is a bigger back that has either had trouble with injuries or keeping his weight down. We already got a back in Barber that can do the power running.
Now if he would fall to the second day than I guess you could take a chance on him but the idea is to get someone to compliment Barber as a change of pace kind of guy. Would be nice to have the speed guy and barber.

Kenny Irons intrigues me but I will be honest and say I just don't know enough about him.
 

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Rack;1418226 said:
I wouldn't say JuJo is "easily" replacable, but I also don't think AP is the only RB in the draft better then JuJo.

I would say the only way you make the move for Peterson is if the team feels he would be an elite back as Dallas view Dorsett when we pulled off the big trade to bring him to Dallas.
 

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The Draft is a roll of the dice. Every year Draft picks bomb. Even at RB. Here is a list of RBs taken in round 1 or 2 (I am assuming we couldn't get a 1st or 2nd for JJ) for the last 10 years who have not lived up to expectations. Note, I am not saying these players are terrible, just that they have not quite met expectations for them. I am skipping 2006 since it is too soon to determine.

2005...JJ Arrington
2004...Kevin Jones
2003...Tony Hollings
2002...William Green
2001...Michael Bennett
2000...Ron Dayne
1999...Ricky Williams
1998...Curtis Enis
1997...Antowain Smith
1996...Lawrence Phillips

Now, figure out a way to guarantee me that 2007 has no RBs that will end up on a list like that. Might there be a RB we could get who is better than Julius? Sure. It is just as likely, and maybe more so, that we can't get close to what we have in him.
 

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BrAinPaiNt;1418232 said:
Well there was another thread that pretty much asked this same question and scenario.
However it got off track with the pro/anti Julius crowd.

I would ask others to keep that mentality in that thread and stick to the topic in this one. Please give options of other players in FA or the Draft that could replace JJ or just say keep him. No need to have two threads of the pro/anti JJ guys going on and on. With that said...

I can think of nobody in FA off the top of my head to replace JJ.

The question is not about getting a full time back IMO...if we could get one in FA or the Draft that would be great but the question to me is with Barber being a good RB that lacks the speed to break long runs one would like to see we IMO should look at a RB that has that game breaking take it the distance speed and also a back that can create in the passing game.


I will be honest at this point and say I do not know enough about all of the RBs in the draft so If I will just mention a few.

I am not going to consider A.Peterson at this time because I don't see him falling and I don't think we would want to trade up THAT FAR by giving up too much.

So the obvious name given is M. Lynch. I doubt it would take too much to trade up to get him from GB at 16 (which seems to be where most project him to go). I guess a trade could be worked out to swap 1st round pics, Julius Jones and maybe them giving us a late round pick to even things out.

It also seems that M.Lynch also shared time in college and we would have Barber and Lynch used to these situations.

M. Bush. I liked him in college but I am not sure this is the person we want.
He is a bigger back that has either had trouble with injuries or keeping his weight down. We already got a back in Barber that can do the power running.
Now if he would fall to the second day than I guess you could take a chance on him but the idea is to get someone to compliment Barber as a change of pace kind of guy. Would be nice to have the speed guy and barber.

Kenny Irons intrigues me but I will be honest and say I just don't know enough about him.

Solid response. Thanks
 

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Doomsday101;1418234 said:
I would say the only way you make the move for Peterson is if the team feels he would be an elite back as Dallas view Dorsett when we pulled off the big trade to bring him to Dallas.

It would take some creative deal making to move up and acquire the pic need to get Peterson. My thought is he is worth it. JuJo has been adequate, far from exceptional. Every Dallas Cowboy championship has always feature an outstanding RB. We are lacking one today.
 

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TheProphet;1418245 said:
It would take some creative deal making to move up and acquire the pic need to get Peterson. My thought is he is worth it. JuJo has been adequate, far from exceptional. Every Dallas Cowboy championship has always feature an outstanding RB. We are lacking one today.

I think Peterson is very good but I don't view him in the same light as I did Dorsett. To make the jump to get Peterson will take a heavy price. If the Cowboy scouting and Jones view him as an elite back, who's to say what they may do but I do think it is risky.
 

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TheProphet;1418211 said:
My thoughts are that we trade JuJones for the best draft picks we can acquire and sail him off into the sunset.

That would be an incredibly foolish thing to do...

Let's find a way to get Adrian Peterson and we're set.

Oh yeah, let's trade away multiple high draft picks to get a running back who gets hurt a LOT, whose running style is tailor-made for him to get hurt... he'll be GREAT, for 6-10 games a year...

Getting AP is a pipe dream, wild man...

On a worse case basis my feeling is that JuJones is easily replaceable with one of our draft picks. He has been okay, but certainly not outstanding to date.
Thoughts?

I think he WAS outstanding as a rookie, and I'm sure you do too... then Parcells got in his head, took away all his confidence, basically forced him to rein in his instincts... so I'd kinda like to see if he couldn't loosen up under Phillips, and rediscover his natural running style... I'd especially like to see that now that the Boys seem to be building a strong run-blocking line...

The Cowboys have more pressing needs than running back this year... if Julius doesn't break out next year, then there will be fine running backs available in next year's draft, or in free agency...
 

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I guess you could say that Duane Thomas was a top back the year the Boys won their first SB in 71. But we got to 2 others without a top RB. In 75 we got there with Robert Newhouse. And over the last 10 years, which SB winning team has had a top 5 RB? Now NE won it the first year they had Dillon and he got 1700 yds. Better yet, look at the top RBs each year and how many of them were on the SB winning team. Sean Alexander is probably the closest any top back has gotten to a ring.
 

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BrAinPaiNt;1418232 said:
Well there was another thread that pretty much asked this same question and scenario.
However it got off track with the pro/anti Julius crowd.

I would ask others to keep that mentality in that thread and stick to the topic in this one. Please give options of other players in FA or the Draft that could replace JJ or just say keep him. No need to have two threads of the pro/anti JJ guys going on and on. With that said...

I can think of nobody in FA off the top of my head to replace JJ.

The question is not about getting a full time back IMO...if we could get one in FA or the Draft that would be great but the question to me is with Barber being a good RB that lacks the speed to break long runs one would like to see we IMO should look at a RB that has that game breaking take it the distance speed and also a back that can create in the passing game.


I will be honest at this point and say I do not know enough about all of the RBs in the draft so If I will just mention a few.

I am not going to consider A.Peterson at this time because I don't see him falling and I don't think we would want to trade up THAT FAR by giving up too much.

So the obvious name given is M. Lynch. I doubt it would take too much to trade up to get him from GB at 16 (which seems to be where most project him to go). I guess a trade could be worked out to swap 1st round pics, Julius Jones and maybe them giving us a late round pick to even things out.

It also seems that M.Lynch also shared time in college and we would have Barber and Lynch used to these situations.

M. Bush. I liked him in college but I am not sure this is the person we want.
He is a bigger back that has either had trouble with injuries or keeping his weight down. We already got a back in Barber that can do the power running.
Now if he would fall to the second day than I guess you could take a chance on him but the idea is to get someone to compliment Barber as a change of pace kind of guy. Would be nice to have the speed guy and barber.

Kenny Irons intrigues me but I will be honest and say I just don't know enough about him.

and Lynch has Dreads,I am telling u there is something about the dreads,its the samsom thing.lol.
 

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BrAinPaiNt;1418232 said:

That's the only running back the Boys should even consider on the first day... the reason they should consider him is he's a first round talent, who will almost certainly go in the second or third round... IOW, he's gonna be a steal for whatever team finally does draft him...

I liked him in college but I am not sure this is the person we want.
He is a bigger back that has either had trouble with injuries or keeping his weight down.

A bigger back is just the ticket if you're building the sort of line the Boys seem to be building...
 

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THIS year there are no top RBs beyond Peterson, and MAYBE Lynch. You loook at most mocks and they are the only 2 that go in the first rd, and in many cases half way through round 2. So if you want to be SURE that you get a better back, then it has to be one of those two. Peterson is probably if not certainly out of reach without losing next years #1. Do you want to pay that price? Lynch is probably gettable without using next years #1. Now the question is how CERTAIN are you that he will be enough of an UPGRADE to make the use of multiple draft choices worth it. And that is IF you can get at least a high 3rd for JJ. Even then, we probably have to use our #2 as well.
 

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burmafrd;1418253 said:
I guess you could say that Duane Thomas was a top back the year the Boys won their first SB in 71. But we got to 2 others without a top RB. In 75 we got there with Robert Newhouse. And over the last 10 years, which SB winning team has had a top 5 RB? Now NE won it the first year they had Dillon and he got 1700 yds. Better yet, look at the top RBs each year and how many of them were on the SB winning team. Sean Alexander is probably the closest any top back has gotten to a ring.

True you can say that about the QB position as well, teams have won the SB with less than a great QB but having a top QB makes it a bit easier and having a great back makes it a bit easier as well. Dallas did go to the SB with Newhouse and Preston Pearson at RB but Landry then turned around in drafted Dorsett.
 

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The BOys have done better with great backs- but once again the question is- how great a price do you pay? Peterson will take a lot; and he is the ONLY back in the draft that you can say for certain will be better; of course he has to stay healthy....
 

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silverbear;1418255 said:
That's the only running back the Boys should even consider on the first day... the reason they should consider him is he's a first round talent, who will almost certainly go in the second or third round... IOW, he's gonna be a steal for whatever team finally does draft him...



A bigger back is just the ticket if you're building the sort of line the Boys seem to be building...

The idea is you have Barber as more of a power back already and he has proven he is worth time even if it is just in a two tail back system. If that is the case why would you want someone that is similar. IMO you would want someone that has more speed to break the long runs and use in the passing game.

The idea is to have a thunder/lightning type of situation.

I would not be opposed at all to Bush but I think we would be better served with a speedier type back to compliment Barber.
 

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the only back we can get that we can be reasonably certain is better then JJ at least on potential is Lynch. How much do we give up to get him?
 

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BrAinPaiNt;1418232 said:
Well there was another thread that pretty much asked this same question and scenario.

Actually, this is the FIFTH thread to appear in the upper half of the first page, all of them basically saying we should trade Julius... it's about as bad as the TO threads were this time last year...

And frankly, though I tried to respond here in a non-confrontational manner, I find the suggestion that the Boys should trade away their best running back, when running back was NOT the team's problem last year, to be kind of asinine...

We've got other things we should be focusing on, if improving the Dallas Cowboys in the most efficient and timely manner is the goal...

I would ask others to keep that mentality in that thread and stick to the topic in this one.

I'm sorry, man, but I think it's legit to stand up and say we shouldn't be looking to get rid of Julius AT ALL...

But now that I have made that point, I'll butt out of this particular conversation, so that you can have the kind of dialogue you're hoping for...
 
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