Can we find a RB better than JuJones in the draft?

[BrAinPaiNt]

Actually, this is the FIFTH thread to appear in the upper half of the first page, all of them basically saying we should trade Julius... it's about as bad as the TO threads were this time last year...

And frankly, though I tried to respond here in a non-confrontational manner, I find the suggestion that the Boys should trade away their best running back, when running back was NOT the team's problem last year, to be kind of asinine...

We've got other things we should be focusing on, if improving the Dallas Cowboys in the most efficient and timely manner is the goal...



I'm sorry, man, but I think it's legit to stand up and say we shouldn't be looking to get rid of Julius AT ALL...

If you read my post you would see that I said you could state "or just say keep him".

I also know there are other threads and as I stated we should not turn this into a pro/anti Julius thread...as the others have turned into with people going on and on about how Barber did this and that and Jones should have done this or that but so and so held him back or he is a bum or he is the best and so on.

I wanted this thread to stay on topic of who could replace him or just to keep him.

 

[Doomsday101]

The BOys have done better with great backs- but once again the question is- how great a price do you pay? Peterson will take a lot; and he is the ONLY back in the draft that you can say for certain will be better; of course he has to stay healthy....

That depends on the teams view of that particular RB. I agree Peterson would be a heavy price and as much as I like Peterson I would not take the risk of paying the price to get him.

 

[carphalen5150]

There are some backs in this draft that I like, but I can't guarantee they would be better than Jones. Darius Walker is a guy I really like. Does not have great speed, but he just always seemed to make big plays. He could be had in the 3rd-4th range.

 

[Avery]

First, there's no way we get Peterson as we'd likely have to deal up into the top five which will cost us Jones and all of our first day picks if we're lucky.

Lynch will be gone to GB IMO and then next best is a step down in Bush. He actually has top ten talent if not for injuries. However, if he's more of a power runner in the mold of Barber than an open-field 'miss me guy'.

 

[InmanRoshi]

One could ask what makes Julius so special that he couldn't be replaced in the draft, considering he was a bit of a reach in the second round and hasn't proven to be more than a complimentary back in the NFL, its not like the draft pick has huge shoes to fill.

But I digress...

Since Cleveland added Lewis at #3, I doubt they still go RB. I think they go Brady Quinn or Joe Thomas.

Looking at the teams following ...

#4 Tampa Bay - Cadillac
#5 Arizona - Gave Edge a huge contract last offseason
#6 Washington - RB might be their only position on the team with 2 deep
#7 Minnesota - Could add a RB, but they supposedly like Taylor and Peterson doesn't really fit Brad Childress' WCO.
#8 Houston - Just signed Ahman Green to huge $$$
#9 Miami - Ronnie Brown
#10 Atlanta - Already have Warrick Dunn, and they think Norwood is future premiere back. Could go RB I suppose, but they have a gigantic hole at safety and everyone pretty much has Landry already penciled in.
#11 San Francisco - Frank Gore


I could absolutely see Peterson falling to Buffalo at #12. RB is a position that typically slides, as its believed you can find productive guys in the mid rounds and its currently en vogue to go with two complimentary backs than 1 work horse. Remember when there was "no way" Stephen Jackson falls out of the Top 10 and/or Kevin Jones falls out of top 15.

If that happens, I could see Jerry moving up to grab him using a package of #22, Julius and a mid-round pick. Especially if Jerry is back in charge of the draft, and we're about to go back to our wheeling and dealing ways to 'go get his man'. Buffalo reportedly really wants a CB after losing Winfield and Clements in free agency, and there should still be serval on the board at #22.

 

[silverbear]

The idea is you have Barber as more of a power back already and he has proven he is worth time even if it is just in a two tail back system.

Because when I look at Marion Barber, I see Troy Hambrick... for a coupla years there, he put up somewhat gaudier stats than Emmitt did, but of course that was because he was the CHANGE OF PACE back, the one that opposing defenses didn't really prepare for... and once he got to be the starter, once opposing teams started focusing on how to defend him, his yards per carry average went right in the toilet, didn't it??

Besides, if you DO want a power running game, why not have two similar backs to run it?? Just keep on pounding on the other team, until you wear them down...

IMO you would want someone that has more speed to break the long runs and use in the passing game.

Actually, it's better for a team to drive the ball down the opposition's throats for 10-15 play, time consuming drives... quick strikes put your defense back on the field too soon... and Bush was actually pretty effective in the passing game anyway... he caught 49 passes in 35 games his first 3 seasons, and his yards per reception average was quite impressive-- 13.2 YPC...

He's a little faster (when healthy) than you think he is, anyway... he's a legit 4.5 40...

I would not be opposed at all to Bush but I think we would be better served with a speedier type back to compliment Barber.

Well there you go, there's the root of our disagreement-- I don't want Barber as our lead back, I think he'd be below average in that role... the job he has now is the one he's best suited for...

 

[silverbear]

If you read my post you would see that I said you could state "or just say keep him".

I also know there are other threads and as I stated we should not turn this into a pro/anti Julius thread...as the others have turned into with people going on and on about how Barber did this and that and Jones should have done this or that but so and so held him back or he is a bum or he is the best and so on.

I wanted this thread to stay on topic of who could replace him or just to keep him.

Which is why I said I'd butt out... but it seemed rude not to respond to you when you were addressing me, and being reasonable while doing so...

But in that spirit, you might want to take a good look at little Garrett Wolfe, if you want an elusive home run threat at RB... he's a second day pick all the way...

 

[philo beddoe]

I'm tired of wating on Julius Jones to "break out". Deal him, and draft his replacement.

 

[dogunwo]

This is going to be "Quincy vs. Chad" all over again.........

 

[DallasEast]

Since Cleveland added McGahee at #3, I doubt they still go RB.

Looking at the teams following ...

#4 Tampa Bay - Cadillac
#5 Arizona - Gave Edge a huge contract last offseason
#6 Washington - RB might be their only position on the team with 2 deep
#7 Minnesota - Could add a RB, but they supposedly like Taylor and Peterson doesn't really fit Brad Childress' WCO.
#8 Houston - Just signed Ahman Green to huge $$$
#9 Miami - Ronnie Brown
#10 Atlanta - Already have Warrick Dunn, and they think Norwood is future premiere back
#11 San Francisco - Frank Gore


I could absolutely see Peterson falling to Buffalo at #12. RB is a position that typically slides, as its believed you can find productive guys in the mid rounds and its currently en vogue to go with two complimentary backs than 1 work horse. Remember when there was "no way" Stephen Jackson falls out of the Top 10 and/or Kevin Jones falls out of top 15. And Buffalo reportedly really wants a CB after losing Winfield and Clements in free agency.

If that happens, I could see Jerry moving up to grab him using a package of #22, Julius and a mid-round pick. Especially if Jerry is back in charge of the draft, and we're about to go back to our wheeling and dealing ways to 'go get his man'.

Great post.

 

[burmafrd]

I really DOUBT that Peterson falls all that far. Steven Jackson had nowhere NEAR the rep that Peterson has gotten; and Peterson tore it up at the combine. 12 is about as far as I could imagine him falling.

 

[Doomsday101]

I really DOUBT that Peterson falls all that far. Steven Jackson had nowhere NEAR the rep that Peterson has gotten; and Peterson tore it up at the combine. 12 is about as far as I could imagine him falling.

I agree and would not be suprised to see Houston grab him at 8. Yes they signed Green but Houston understands that Green is a short term fix at age 30.

 

[philo beddoe]

This is going to be "Quincy vs. Chad" all over again.........

I was never a big Chad guy, but I certainly rooted for him over the dreadful Carter!

 

[InmanRoshi]

Does Kubiak follow the Shannahan philosophy that you can find RB's in the mid rounds and they aren't worth premium picks (especially when you paid Ahman Green 6.5 guaranteed just two months ago). Isn't that why he passed on Bush?

I think Peterson is definitely Top 5 talent, but if I had to put any money on a draft day slider ... and there is always one ... I would generally always put it on a RB.

 

[Hostile]

I was never a big Chad guy, but I certainly rooted for him over the dreadful Carter!

You must like physicals at the Drs. Office.

 

[WoodysGirl]

You must like physicals at the Drs. Office.

:laugh2:

 

[philo beddoe]

You must like physicals at the Drs. Office.

LOL, not at all!

 

[Chuck 54]

I would trade JJ for a 2nd round pick or an early 3rd.

I would go into the season with Barber as my starter and Tyson Thompson as my backup and pick up another guy in cutdowns or among undrafted FA's. I would not use a top draft pick to replace him this season...I'd rather find out about Barber and Thompson and see what happens going into next offseason.

It's not like we'd need to find a starter if JJ were traded, just depth.

 

[BlueStar II]

If...and I emphasize "if" we do trade Jones, I would like to see us go for a back with some speed. We already have Barber who is known for his leg drive and hard-nosed running, and if we do trade Jones, I would like to see a guy with some speed come in instead of another back who has ability/performance that is similar to Barber's.

 

[Hostile]

LOL, not at all!

My bad. I couldn't figure out how else you could be so comfortable with Q's hand up there.