Can Wilcox and Church play together in the future?

[tm1119]

I know the line between FS and SS is definitely getting blurred in the modern NFL, but can you see these 2 paired together and providing enough in coverage for the foreseeable future?

 

[Corso]

I want to say yes, but I think Church is a very replaceable player.

Not saying Wilcox isn't, but the SS is becoming more and more of a dinosaur in today's NFL and the need for two strong FS's is the new ideal.

 

[Future]

In a perfect world, Church is a role player who comes in on running downs. Heath seems more athletic, and might have a better upside, and I think long term, he and Wilcox would have a higher ceiling.

 

[Zordon]

i don't think so.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

It seems like teams are going with guys who could play CB at S. I think Wilcox and Church would have been Pro Bowlers 8 years ago but not today. You need cover guys who aren't afraid to tackle.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

In a perfect world, Church is a role player who comes in on running downs. Heath seems more athletic, and might have a better upside, and I think long term, he and Wilcox would have a higher ceiling.

I agree. I like Heath and Wilcox, they seem to have better range. Church has a role but I don't think he is an every down safety. I still think he would make a great LB.

 

[TrailBlazer]

It seems like teams are going with guys who could play CB at S. I think Wilcox and Church would have been Pro Bowlers 8 years ago but not today. You need cover guys who aren't afraid to tackle.

I agree. I like Wilcox and Church as players. Good against the run, sure tacklers,..

But I'd like a ballhawk Ed Reed type back there at FS. Jairus Byrd if we could afford him.

Edit: I think I figured it out! Sign Nnamdi and convert him to FS. Problem solved?

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Well as I have said all this season, and last season also, the position has to be upgraded.

People hated me for saying Church wasn't the guy last year, but its showing itself this year after he has played in more games. I like them both in run support, but against the pass they are a really bad combo who don't give our CBs near the support they need or deserve.

Church would make a great backup, or even converted to LB, but him and Wilcox shouldn't be starting together at all unless you want to continue to be lit up by half the QBs we face for 400 yards.

Jerry, please give me a ballhawking, playmaking safety for this defense........please. What we aren't realizing is that while Church is really a JAG, Wilcox at this point is adequate but he has a long way to go before he can be considered a difference maker. We need a difference maker at safety in this passing league......desperately.

 

[Idgit]

I like all our Ss. But I do think it's a case that we need to spread snaps among the three of them in order to effectively cover the two positions. Jeff Heath's been impressive in his limited time as an injury reserve. I think he's earned some regular snaps on defense.

 

[Titleist]

Well as I have said all this season, and last season also, the position has to be upgraded.

People hated me for saying Church wasn't the guy last year, but its showing itself this year after he has played in more games. I like them both in run support, but against the pass they are a really bad combo who don't give our CBs near the support they need or deserve.

Church would make a great backup, or even converted to LB, but him and Wilcox shouldn't be starting together at all unless you want to continue to be lit up by half the QBs we face for 400 yards.

Jerry, please give me a ballhawking, playmaking safety for this defense........please. What we aren't realizing is that while Church is really a JAG, Wilcox at this point is adequate but he has a long way to go before he can be considered a difference maker. We need a difference maker at safety in this passing league......desperately.

Unfortunately, those kind of players don't grow on trees. True ballhawk free safeties are rare these days. The two best ballhawk prospects in the draft IMO were Rambo and Elam and neither has shown ballhawking skills on the field so far.

 

[tm1119]

I agree. I like Wilcox and Church as players. Good against the run, sure tacklers,..

But I'd like a ballhawk Ed Reed type back there at FS. Jairus Byrd if we could afford him.

Edit: I think I figured it out! Sign Nnamdi and convert him to FS. Problem solved?

Nambdi makes Mo look like Ray Lewis I'm terms of tackling. The guy doesnt like contact.

And we're starting the Jeff Heath hype already? Not saying he's looked bad or anything, but I think he's a long way away from being viewed as a starting caliber player.

 

[jobberone]

Well as I have said all this season, and last season also, the position has to be upgraded.

People hated me for saying Church wasn't the guy last year, but its showing itself this year after he has played in more games. I like them both in run support, but against the pass they are a really bad combo who don't give our CBs near the support they need or deserve.

Church would make a great backup, or even converted to LB, but him and Wilcox shouldn't be starting together at all unless you want to continue to be lit up by half the QBs we face for 400 yards.

Jerry, please give me a ballhawking, playmaking safety for this defense........please. What we aren't realizing is that while Church is really a JAG, Wilcox at this point is adequate but he has a long way to go before he can be considered a difference maker. We need a difference maker at safety in this passing league......desperately.

They can't be satisfied with safety. And they need a ball hawking safety back there. And not everyone has checked off on Church much less Wilcox. Wilcox has the athleticism. Heath looks like he might could play. I need to see a lot more of all those guys. I keep wondering if we are going to ever see Johnson. He must be the next Cliff Harris with the way they are talking. My guess is that is just talk right now. You can't really get excited until you see them play some games.

 

[Pabst]

Yea, I don't understand the praise for Heath. He's looked rather poor in both coverage and run support from what I've noticed. There's been a noticeable drop in play since Wilcox went down.

 

[perrykemp]

It's a damn shame that Church couldn't have played in an earlier era.

He could have been an probowl safety in the 90s... Today, he is a liability in the passing game.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

They can't be satisfied with safety. And they need a ball hawking safety back there. And not everyone has checked off on Church much less Wilcox. Wilcox has the athleticism. Heath looks like he might could play. I need to see a lot more of all those guys. I keep wondering if we are going to ever see Johnson. He must be the next Cliff Harris with the way they are talking. My guess is that is just talk right now. You can't really get excited until you see them play some games.

Well I just feel one of them needs to be changed, whether its Wilcox going to the bench as he develops or Church cause he is a liability in coverage, something needs to change.....now. We can't just keep running these guys out there to get torched every week and thinking things are ok while blaming Romo and the offense for everything.

It's a damn shame that Church couldn't have played in an earlier era.

He could have been an probowl safety in the 90s... Today, he is a liability in the passing game.

Agreed. I would rather have 2 coverage safeties out there in todays NFL than 2 guys like we have right now in Wilcox and Church. Now Wilcox has the potential to be more than that, but potential is just that til you live up to it. Potential gets coaches fired.

Church is absolutely a liability in coverage, and playing him with Wilcox only makes things alot worse.

 

[mahoneybill]

Unfortunately, those kind of players don't grow on trees. True ballhawk free safeties are rare these days. The two best ballhawk prospects in the draft IMO were Rambo and Elam and neither has shown ballhawking skills on the field so far.

Ballhawks get their opportunities because the D line is forcing the QB to hurry a throw. We aren't that type of team yet.

Think of Brock Marion. He had 31 ints in his career, and as best I can recall had the benefit of some strong D line push. Darren Woodson is another... 23 ints ... again some D line push

 

[CowboysLegend365]

You guys are always forgetting we have ball-hawk Matt Johnson still on our roster

 

[jobberone]

Well I just feel one of them needs to be changed, whether its Wilcox going to the bench as he develops or Church cause he is a liability in coverage, something needs to change.....now. We can't just keep running these guys out there to get torched every week and thinking things are ok while blaming Romo and the offense for everything.



Agreed. I would rather have 2 coverage safeties out there in todays NFL than 2 guys like we have right now in Wilcox and Church. Now Wilcox has the potential to be more than that, but potential is just that til you live up to it. Potential gets coaches fired.

Church is absolutely a liability in coverage, and playing him with Wilcox only makes things alot worse.

They're looking for someone with a lot of range and the instincts to get to the ball. Everyone has to tackle in this defense (as it should in any IMO). I've been advocating coverage safeties and the use of CBs esp in special packages since before Roy left. I'm not sure what you guys want but right now unless they move Carr to safety then Church and Heath or Wilcox is all you have and that's really a problem. And if you did move Carr then you'd short the CBs more than they already are.

 

[sbark]

You guys are always forgetting we have ball-hawk Matt Johnson still on our roster

......I still got hope, but I see how that turned out the last time it was a big slogan.

 

[Neverhood]

I think Church has been decent, don't get all the hate. I feel like he's all over the field, in a good way.