Can Wilcox and Church play together in the future?

[JoeyBoy718]

I agree. I like Wilcox and Church as players. Good against the run, sure tacklers,..

But I'd like a ballhawk Ed Reed type back there at FS. Jairus Byrd if we could afford him.

Edit: I think I figured it out! Sign Nnamdi and convert him to FS. Problem solved?

Yeah, I think Jarius Byrd back deep helping in coverage and Wilcox close to the line making tackles would be ideal. Roy Williams was successful when he had Woodson back there taking care of covering. It allowed him to prowl the field and hit people.

 

[jobberone]

I think Church has been decent, don't get all the hate. I feel like he's all over the field, in a good way.

I like him and have hopes he will be one answer at safety. I'd just like some more time to look at him.

 

[Wezsh0T]

I agree. I like Wilcox and Church as players. Good against the run, sure tacklers,..

But I'd like a ballhawk Ed Reed type back there at FS. Jairus Byrd if we could afford him.

Edit: I think I figured it out! Sign Nnamdi and convert him to FS. Problem solved?

Yah...that worked with Terrance Newman = )

 

[RS12]

Can Wilcox and Church play together in the future?

I dont get it? Why wouldnt you want to upgrade from Church?

 

[Deep_Freeze]

They're looking for someone with a lot of range and the instincts to get to the ball. Everyone has to tackle in this defense (as it should in any IMO). I've been advocating coverage safeties and the use of CBs esp in special packages since before Roy left. I'm not sure what you guys want but right now unless they move Carr to safety then Church and Heath or Wilcox is all you have and that's really a problem. And if you did move Carr then you'd short the CBs more than they already are.

Well what I'm saying is the guy isn't on the roster yet. I don't want Carr there, we don't have enough CBs to do that, and its not like he was great at it when we put him there anyway.

We need an effort to actually fill the position with something more than UDFAs. Wilcox was a decent pick, but he is more of a line of scrimmage guy like Church. We need someone in deep coverage, and neither fit that bill. Let's find someone else to do it.

 

[SportsGuru80]

In a perfect world, Church is a role player who comes in on running downs. Heath seems more athletic, and might have a better upside, and I think long term, he and Wilcox would have a higher ceiling.

Heath is soft... No thanks!

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Yeah, I think Jarius Byrd back deep helping in coverage and Wilcox close to the line making tackles would be ideal. Roy Williams was successful when he had Woodson back there taking care of covering. It allowed him to prowl the field and hit people.

Yeah, although I will say what we are seeing now for teams defensively, you really can't have a box safety as much as Roy was back then.

The days of a box safety are over, in this passing league you need coverage back there especially if you have a guy like Lee in the middle. For once I would like to see Lee and the CBs get the support they deserve, we have to get this solved immediately.

 

[Zordon]

i think between church, wilcox, heath, hamilton and *gulp* johnson we'll find a long-term viable combination. i dont think this team should waste another pick on a safety.

 

[big dog cowboy]

i think between church, wilcox, heath, hamilton and *gulp* johnson we'll find a long-term viable combination. i dont think this team should waste another pick on a safety.

Ask me again in January. Still undecided on that at this point.

 

[CooterBrown]

Heath is soft... No thanks!

Soft? He stopped Peterson in his tracks and would have put him on his back if not for other players. He had 9 tackles against Minny. He has more forced fumbles than Wilcox and Allen combined. Where do you get the "soft" label from.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I think Church has been decent, don't get all the hate. I feel like he's all over the field, in a good way.

I'm kind of confused too where this hate for Church is coming from. Or maybe "hate" is a bit strong but I think he's been one of the 5 solid players on this defense IMO.

 

[blackbull]

i think between church, wilcox, heath, hamilton and *gulp* johnson we'll find a long-term viable combination. i dont think this team should waste another pick on a safety.

I bet it's the same people crying about trenches who want to replace Wilcox/church who are easily top half of starters performance wise this year. Whatever

 

[strasscat]

Way too early to judge JJ wilcox.
Church might be the best tackler on the team, i can count on one hand the number of tackles he's missed this season.
Heath is a downgrade from Wilcox, but still decent.

Of course, safety play wouldn't be a problem if the defensive line wasn't decimated by injuries.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

i think between church, wilcox, heath, hamilton and *gulp* johnson we'll find a long-term viable combination. i dont think this team should waste another pick on a safety.

Wasting a pick....when have we wasted a premium pick on the position.....Roy Williams??

Come on man, that list alone should tell you how much we have tried to fill the position with scrubs. Just cause we need help on the DL doesn't devalue the need at safety, we need BOTH.

 

[Tex]

Times change. Guys were 10 time probowl safeties in the HOF that could not make a present teams roster.
Today you basically have to draft cornerbacks and make them play safety. Nickle is now the base defense. You run 3 corners on every play almost. You have to. Yes we need to invest in a safety. But I am not sure we need to draft a Safety. We need to invest in 4th or 5th round cornerbacks every year and try and move someone.

 

[Chuck 54]

I believe Wilcox will be a star in the deep patrol...a guy who can cover, who plays the ball, who has great speed and running skills after a pick, and is able to come downhill and support the run. I view him as our best deep safety already.

 

[JBell]

Church is absolutely $$$$ in run support. He's done an excellent job this year at making sure 7 yard runs don't turn into 70.

Wilcox has shown some flashes of being a great centerfielder. They compliment each other pretty well.

 

[Fredd]

i think between church, wilcox, heath, hamilton and *gulp* johnson we'll find a long-term viable combination. i dont think this team should waste another pick on a safety.

this is how I feel as well...not that I wouldn't want to see an upgrade at any position, but there are bigger fish to fry (Like the two lines, especially DL)

 

[perrykemp]

I think Church has been decent, don't get all the hate. I feel like he's all over the field, in a good way.

At some point you have to start attributing blame on what was tracking to be the worst pass defense in NFL history (at least up to last week) to SOMEBODY on the defense.

Pass rush actually has been surprisingly decent all things considered.

Everyone wants to dog-pile Bruce Carter and Claiborne, however, you don't give up passing numbers like the Cowboys have without the vast majority of the back 7 being at fault in some way or another.

What I see in Church is a safety with absolutely superior physicality with sub-part pass coverage ability. Most of the time you just don't even see him in the picture which is a bad thing considering how opposing TEs and RBs have absolutely torn up the Cowboys.

Wilcox is about the same, however, he is a rookie so he is going take his lumps.

 

[jobberone]

Well what I'm saying is the guy isn't on the roster yet. I don't want Carr there, we don't have enough CBs to do that, and its not like he was great at it when we put him there anyway.

We need an effort to actually fill the position with something more than UDFAs. Wilcox was a decent pick, but he is more of a line of scrimmage guy like Church. We need someone in deep coverage, and neither fit that bill. Let's find someone else to do it.

He isn't likely on the roster today or tomorrow but Wilcox may be one. Church may be although not sure. You may be able to get a rookie safety in the draft next year. But those guys tend to go high now because they are safer picks than CBs these days.