Cap May Extend To 110 Million

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http://www.boston.com/sports/footba...e_fails/?page=2


It's crunch time in labor negotiations

Meetings have begun between representatives of the Players Association and the Management Council and will continue next week with the hope that the framework for an extension of the collective bargaining agreement will be in place by late February.

Technically, an extension would have to be in place by the start of the new league year on March 3 or problems would arise; agents would be faced with making deals for this year's free agents with only a four-year amortization period for bonuses, and some franchises would be forced to all but gut their teams because of salary cap problems, according to league sources on both sides of the issue.

''A number of teams would go into severe cap trouble if there's no extension," said a league source. ''A team like the Colts would have to blow their team up. And for agents, it will be hard to get a true market deal. Not hard. It would be impossible.

''The good news is, the way the system was designed the last year without an extension is very painful for both sides. Hopefully that will promote rational behavior on both sides. As we get closer to D-Day, people start to think more clearly on both sides."

Management has begun to put together some guaranteed cap numbers beginning at $110 million and swelling to $160 million six years later. Twelve years ago, when the salary cap era began, the first cap was around $36 million.
 

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RiggoForever said:
http://www.boston.com/sports/footba...e_fails/?page=2


It's crunch time in labor negotiations

Meetings have begun between representatives of the Players Association and the Management Council and will continue next week with the hope that the framework for an extension of the collective bargaining agreement will be in place by late February.

Technically, an extension would have to be in place by the start of the new league year on March 3 or problems would arise; agents would be faced with making deals for this year's free agents with only a four-year amortization period for bonuses, and some franchises would be forced to all but gut their teams because of salary cap problems, according to league sources on both sides of the issue.

''A number of teams would go into severe cap trouble if there's no extension," said a league source. ''A team like the Colts would have to blow their team up. And for agents, it will be hard to get a true market deal. Not hard. It would be impossible.

''The good news is, the way the system was designed the last year without an extension is very painful for both sides. Hopefully that will promote rational behavior on both sides. As we get closer to D-Day, people start to think more clearly on both sides."

Management has begun to put together some guaranteed cap numbers beginning at $110 million and swelling to $160 million six years later. Twelve years ago, when the salary cap era began, the first cap was around $36 million.

Dan Snyder ===> :eek:hboy:
 

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big dog cowboy said:
Looks like NBA salaries are on their way. Yippee.

I like the way the NBA has structured their cap system way more than the way the NFL currently has it. The soft cap system is the way to go - it gives teams the ability to keep a team intact no matter what the cost.
 

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parchy said:
I like the way the NBA has structured their cap system way more than the way the NFL currently has it. The soft cap system is the way to go - it gives teams the ability to keep a team intact no matter what the cost.
The nba owners wouldn't agree with you, they would much prefer the nfl's hard cap. Its financially sound built to go up only with revenues going up. Both the nba and mlb wish they had the nfl's cap setup, except for the clubs like the yankees who have huge local tv contracts.
 

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not to mention the NBA team roster is 14 active and 2 inactive (I think).... as opposed to 53 players + a practice squad

they can afford to pay their players more
 

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SupermanXx said:
not to mention the NBA team roster is 14 active and 2 inactive (I think).... as opposed to 53 players + a practice squad

they can afford to pay their players more

This doesn't really apply since there are strict limits placed on how much you can actually pay a player depending on how long he's been in the league. The NFL has those as well, but they're not nearly as defined.

Quite simply, they DON'T pay their players more. Not to mention that most of that system is revenue-based and the NFL would mop up in that category.

It's really a question of preference. A soft cap allows you to go over the limit to sign marquee players you already have on the pay-roll, rewarding teams for great scouting and/or player development instead of punishing teams who find big names and end up having to release them because they can't afford them anymore. It obviously presents its own set of problems, one of the biggest being a guy like Allen Iverson can rape the Sixers (becuase he can), and despite their ability to sign him no matter the cost, they can't really bring anybody else in. This wouldn't matter if they had better scouting/coaching, but that doesn't usually come up in discussion...
 

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This doesn't really apply since there are strict limits placed on how much you can actually pay a player depending on how long he's been in the league. The NFL has those as well, but they're not nearly as defined.

Quite simply, they DON'T pay their players more. Not to mention that most of that system is revenue-based and the NFL would mop up in that category.

It's really a question of preference. A soft cap allows you to go over the limit to sign marquee players you already have on the pay-roll, rewarding teams for great scouting and/or player development instead of punishing teams who find big names and end up having to release them because they can't afford them anymore. It obviously presents its own set of problems, one of the biggest being a guy like Allen Iverson can rape the Sixers (becuase he can), and despite their ability to sign him no matter the cost, they can't really bring anybody else in. This wouldn't matter if they had better scouting/coaching, but that doesn't usually come up in discussion...

Yeah. that's what I meant. :)
 

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parchy said:
I like the way the NBA has structured their cap system way more than the way the NFL currently has it. The soft cap system is the way to go - it gives teams the ability to keep a team intact no matter what the cost.
I agree. I prefer the nba cap, football is a pain when you don't have your franchise players play their entire career's there. Or the players you like keep getting cut off the team.
 

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summerisfunner said:
how can anyone admire anything the NBA is doing?

Y'know, there was a time when I shared your sentiment, but if you really stop and take the time to enjoy the skill level of the league (which isn't as high as it could be or once was, but is still extremely high) it's really a well-played game by great athletes. Given, the off-court stuff makes it tough to pay attention to it, but if the NFL wasn't so regimented, we'd be seeing the same thing in our beloved league as well... it's not like NFL players have higher moral fiber or anything, they just don't have the time (or energy) to jerk around like NBA players do.
 

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parchy said:
Y'know, there was a time when I shared your sentiment, but if you really stop and take the time to enjoy the skill level of the league (which isn't as high as it could be or once was, but is still extremely high) it's really a well-played game by great athletes. Given, the off-court stuff makes it tough to pay attention to it, but if the NFL wasn't so regimented, we'd be seeing the same thing in our beloved league as well... it's not like NFL players have higher moral fiber or anything, they just don't have the time (or energy) to jerk around like NBA players do.

I feel what you're saying, but I'm talking about the NBA itself, the league, David Stern and all them
 

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summerisfunner said:
I feel what you're saying, but I'm talking about the NBA itself, the league, David Stern and all them

I guess I don't understand then.
 

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LOL. What's the point of a salary cap, if you can pro-rate bonuses and salary spikes in later years counting on a hike in the salary cap every so often? It kind of defeats the purpose doesn't it?

Also, since when did a salary cap hike become about helping teams that do such things out because they are in "severe trouble" only because of themselves? Isn't it their problem that they didn't manage such a situation?

It seems like this discussion is going on to help certain owners out. ;) ;)
 

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Unreal how much money us fans have, since we are the ones financing this cap......
 

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If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

The NFL is the model for professional sports leagues right now. I don't see anything that is so bad that it has to be fixed.
 

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parchy said:
Y'know, there was a time when I shared your sentiment, but if you really stop and take the time to enjoy the skill level of the league (which isn't as high as it could be or once was, but is still extremely high) it's really a well-played game by great athletes. Given, the off-court stuff makes it tough to pay attention to it, but if the NFL wasn't so regimented, we'd be seeing the same thing in our beloved league as well... it's not like NFL players have higher moral fiber or anything, they just don't have the time (or energy) to jerk around like NBA players do.

For 5 years in the 90's I was a NY Knicks season ticket holder (the Ewing and Rileys years). I was sooo into it, all the playoffs with Chicago (Jorden beat us every time, except the years he played baseball). It was a blast.

Now, I don't even watch pro-basketball. I watch College (UCONN baby, we have no Pro sports in CT). The college game is much more team oriented. The NBA has gotten to the point were the INDIVIDUAL skill level of the players is great, but I like to watch teamwork...Oh well. Plus I think the players are out of control, when a star player can essentually get his coach fired...oh well.

Not to get too far off track, but the womens game is even more team oriented.
 

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Jarv said:
For 5 years in the 90's I was a NY Knicks season ticket holder (the Ewing and Rileys years). I was sooo into it, all the playoffs with Chicago (Jorden beat us every time, except the years he played baseball). It was a blast.

Now, I don't even watch pro-basketball. I watch College (UCONN baby, we have no Pro sports in CT). The college game is much more team oriented. The NBA has gotten to the point were the INDIVIDUAL skill level of the players is great, but I like to watch teamwork...Oh well. Plus I think the players are out of control, when a star player can essentually get his coach fired...oh well.

Not to get too far off track, but the womens game is even more team oriented.

I haven't really paid much attention to the NBA since Bird left and Magic got Aids and none at all after Jordan retired.
 
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