Cap Space Update

[Kaiser]

The cowboys can easily restructure Zach Martin, because he isn’t going anywhere, anytime soon so it won’t be a problem.

They can also get 10MM or more from DLaw if they want to do it.

 

[HungryLion]

They can also get 10MM or more from DLaw if they want to do it.

Correct.

I don’t expect the cowboys to restructure every contract available. But they have plenty of options. They are in good shape cap wise to still make moves and add a few starters or key contributors.

 

[gjkoeppen]

When accounting for the rule of 51, it’s cut down significantly.

The rule 51 is just a way of allowing teams to have the 90 players in camp regardless of the contract amount without having to be under the cap. It actually means nothing come the season when teams have to be under their cap limit. Rule 51 is just something to let fans play wannabe GM for a while.
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[texbumthelife]

Don't be shocked if Dak holds out & gets what he wants because there won't be any FA quarterbacks left.

Say goodbye to that huge chunk of change.

It was always going to him anyway.

 

[morat1959]

The rule 51 is just a way of allowing teams to have the 90 players in camp regardless of the contract amount without having to be under the cap. It actually means nothing come the season when teams have to be under their cap limit. Rule 51 is just something to let fans play wannabe GM for a while.
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Kinda like JJ has done for 20+ years...sorry, couldn’t resist.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Crawford is taking a pay cut or will be cut.

The cowboys can easily restructure Zach Martin, because he isn’t going anywhere, anytime soon so it won’t be a problem.

If Dak gets extended, it will lower his cap hit this year.


So again, the cowboys can get a couple of starters with the cap space they have available to them. If they so choose. It’s not really open for debate, it’s just a fact.

Lastly, opening your post with criticizing my viewpoint because I’m a “fan on the couch” is asinine, considering you are also a fan on the couch. Which means your opinion is just as worthless.

Lastly, of course it’s up to if the coaches and front office choose to do it. That goes without saying. So bringing that up, like you’re making some kind of insightful point, is also silly. Based on that, this entire message board is pointless because discussing potential movies the team can make, is pointless because none of us work for the front office.

Again Joe fan from his couch has proclaimed what will happen with a player even though he has less than ZERO first hand knowledge. He's relying on all his ever expansive experience from his couch. Here's a little clue for you. Players like Martin aren't to the point in their careers where they are going to take a pay cut and they also aren't going to restructure their contracts without some kind of incentive which is adding more money in bonus money and adding a year or two to the end of the current contract. Thus if an injury befalls them and either their play starts to suffer or even worse is forced to retire all that bonus money becomes dead money on the cap. Yes restructuring is a fact as a means of creating more cap space but Stephen finally saw what over two decades of renegotiating contracts which ends up adding dead money on the cap which leaves for little cap space did to keep the Cowboys in cap hell and I VERY seriously doubt he will go back to that ugly vicious cycle. Lastly if Prescott signs a long term contract the cap hit this season isn't going to be less. since he's already rejected a 34 mil a year offer and the tag amount is 31 mil.
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[gjkoeppen]

Kinda like JJ has done for 20+ years...sorry, couldn’t resist.

Rule 51 is for ALL teams and ALL teams use it not just Jones.

 

[ksg811]

The rule 51 is just a way of allowing teams to have the 90 players in camp regardless of the contract amount without having to be under the cap. It actually means nothing come the season when teams have to be under their cap limit. Rule 51 is just something to let fans play wannabe GM for a while.
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Nope, it’s how the league actually operates during the offseason, so it's appropriate cap accounting, so that's how I present it.

Even once the rosters expand to 53, the additional 2 players will be minimum or near minimum players. That's only an additional $1.2 million dollars. Teams don't worry about the last 2 roster spots until they have to because they're that irrelevant. They'll either have the space or easily create it.

 

[HungryLion]

Again Joe fan from his couch has proclaimed what will happen with a player even though he has less than ZERO first hand knowledge. He's relying on all his ever expansive experience from his couch. Here's a little clue for you. Players like Martin aren't to the point in their careers where they are going to take a pay cut and they also aren't going to restructure their contracts without some kind of incentive which is adding more money in bonus money and adding a year or two to the end of the current contract. Thus if an injury befalls them and either their play starts to suffer or even worse is forced to retire all that bonus money becomes dead money on the cap. Yes restructuring is a fact as a means of creating more cap space but Stephen finally saw what over two decades of renegotiating contracts which ends up adding dead money on the cap which leaves for little cap space did to keep the Cowboys in cap hell and I VERY seriously doubt he will go back to that ugly vicious cycle. Lastly if Prescott signs a long term contract the cap hit this season isn't going to be less. since he's already rejected a 34 mil a year offer and the tag amount is 31 mil.
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1. Restructuring doesn’t add years to a players contract.

2. No crap restructuring adds bonus money. That’s the point of a restructure to spread out cap hit.

3. Many of the cowboys contracts have built in restructures that are up to the team to exercise. Furthermore, you’d have to be a moron to believe a player wouldn’t want immediate bonus money as opposed to having to wait all season for game checks.

4. Average Joe from his couch shares his opinion on a message board and then criticized another average Joe on his couch for doing the exact same thing, sharing opinion on a message board. You sound like a hypocritical tool bag criticizing me for being an average Joe, when you are too.


5. Russell Wilson’s cap hit last year was 26 million. A full 5 million less than Dak’s current 31 million cap hit. But tell me again how Dak’s contract wouldn’t have a lower cap hit in the first year then the tag. Please oh wise master in his infinite wisdom who is putting this sorry average Joe on the couch, into his place.

 

[Risen Star]

We're in cap hell. That's why we lost Jeff Heath.

 

[HungryLion]

Again Joe fan from his couch has proclaimed what will happen with a player even though he has less than ZERO first hand knowledge. He's relying on all his ever expansive experience from his couch. Here's a little clue for you. Players like Martin aren't to the point in their careers where they are going to take a pay cut and they also aren't going to restructure their contracts without some kind of incentive which is adding more money in bonus money and adding a year or two to the end of the current contract. Thus if an injury befalls them and either their play starts to suffer or even worse is forced to retire all that bonus money becomes dead money on the cap. Yes restructuring is a fact as a means of creating more cap space but Stephen finally saw what over two decades of renegotiating contracts which ends up adding dead money on the cap which leaves for little cap space did to keep the Cowboys in cap hell and I VERY seriously doubt he will go back to that ugly vicious cycle. Lastly if Prescott signs a long term contract the cap hit this season isn't going to be less. since he's already rejected a 34 mil a year offer and the tag amount is 31 mil.
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The cowboys already restructure La’el’s contract. They restructured Fredericks contract a couple years ago. I could go on.... but please tell me how Stephen will refuse to restructure contracts going forward when almost every front office in the league does it..... please.

 

[Kaiser]

Players like Martin aren't to the point in their careers where they are going to take a pay cut and they also aren't going to restructure their contracts without some kind of incentive which is adding more money in bonus money and adding a year or two to the end of the current contract.

Here is how that conversation will go with Martin, just like it has with every NFL player who has restructured since the salary cap was put in place:

"Hi Zack, do you want all of your 11 Million dollar salary today or would you like it in 16 weekly game checks of $687,500 each?"

"Is that a real question?"

"Yeah, the lawyers say we have to ask first. Here is the check"

 

[gjkoeppen]

Nope, it’s how the league actually operates during the offseason, so it's appropriate cap accounting, so that's how I present it.

Even once the rosters expand to 53, the additional 2 players will be minimum or near minimum players. That's only an additional $1.2 million dollars. Teams don't worry about the last 2 roster spots until they have to because they're that irrelevant. They'll either have the space or easily create it.

No if you check actual NFL you'll find that because EVERY player who goes mini camps and training camps HAS to be signed to a contract and the only way teams could do that is by the 51 rule that only counts the 51 highest contracts out of the 90 players that are in camp. Now yes the final 2 players are going to be smaller contracts, probably rookie contracts, but the original reason for the rule 51 is to allow teams to have a full 90 players in camp. What you presented was a wrong rookie pool amount which I proved by a link that your amount was much less than what it actually will be.
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[ksg811]

No if you check actual NFL you'll find that because EVERY player who goes mini camps and training camps HAS to be signed to a contract and the only way teams could do that is by the 51 rule that only counts the 51 highest contracts out of the 90 players that are in camp. Now yes the final 2 players are going to be smaller contracts, probably rookie contracts, but the original reason for the rule 51 is to allow teams to have a full 90 players in camp. What you presented was a wrong rookie pool amount which I proved by a link that your amount was much less than what it actually will be.
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It's not wrong, it's the top 51 adjusted amount.

Are rookies not signed as part of the 90 man camp roster? Are they not part of the offseason 51 man cap calculation for that reason? You just contradicted yourself.

In order to add a player to the top 51 cap calculation, must he not replace someone else in it? That's exactly how the team salary caps are calculated during the offseason top 51. If a rookie signs at a cap hit of $2.5 million and replaces the 51st player of $615k, the net cap charge is $1.885 million. That's exactly how the rule of 51 works and why total rookie cap pool does not equal the cap charge.

 

[Kolemmitt]

Sooooooo....what is our cap space now?

 

[gjkoeppen]

Nope, it’s how the league actually operates during the offseason, so it's appropriate cap accounting, so that's how I present it.

Even once the rosters expand to 53, the additional 2 players will be minimum or near minimum players. That's only an additional $1.2 million dollars. Teams don't worry about the last 2 roster spots until they have to because they're that irrelevant. They'll either have the space or easily create it.

No if you check actual NFL you'll find that because EVERY player who goes mini camps and training camps HAS to be signed to a contract and the only way teams could do that is by the 51 rule that only counts the 51 highest contracts out of the 90 players that are in camp. Now yes the final 2 players are going to be smaller contracts, probably rookie contracts, but the original reason for the rule 51 is to allow teams to have a full 90 players in camp.

 

[ksg811]

No if you check actual NFL you'll find that because EVERY player who goes mini camps and training camps HAS to be signed to a contract and the only way teams could do that is by the 51 rule that only counts the 51 highest contracts out of the 90 players that are in camp. Now yes the final 2 players are going to be smaller contracts, probably rookie contracts, but the original reason for the rule 51 is to allow teams to have a full 90 players in camp.

Repeating your same wrong post doesn’t make you any less wrong.

 

[Redball Express]

When you have half the entire cap space going to a small number of players you don't have cap space. I am not saying this is a great team by any stretch but we screwed ourselves with the zeke and cooper contracts.

20 mil a season for a guy that couldn't beat 5th string corners in Philthy with the season on the line? No thanks.

Too late.

Signing Amari was a nod towards Dak he needs to come to terms.

Dak knows that signing and Zeke's are clearly for Dak.

Now he needs to sign a contract and free up money for Dallas to finish signing players and have some for later.

Come on Dak. The drama is over.

 

[gjkoeppen]

1. Restructuring doesn’t add years to a players contract.

2. No crap restructuring adds bonus money. That’s the point of a restructure to spread out cap hit.

3. Many of the cowboys contracts have built in restructures that are up to the team to exercise. Furthermore, you’d have to be a moron to believe a player wouldn’t want immediate bonus money as opposed to having to wait all season for game checks.

4. Average Joe from his couch shares his opinion on a message board and then criticized another average Joe on his couch for doing the exact same thing, sharing opinion on a message board. You sound like a hypocritical tool bag criticizing me for being an average Joe, when you are too.


5. Russell Wilson’s cap hit last year was 26 million. A full 5 million less than Dak’s current 31 million cap hit. But tell me again how Dak’s contract wouldn’t have a lower cap hit in the first year then the tag. Please oh wise master in his infinite wisdom who is putting this sorry average Joe on the couch, into his place.

I'll start by numbers

1) & 2) It is EXTREMELY rare for a players that agree to restructure their contract that a year or two isn't added. Those years are added because salary amounts are lowered and that money is moved to bonus money and a year or two of low salary. The reason this is to STRETCH out and lower the amount of cap hit each year. Players don't restructure out of the goodness of their hearts, they do it because in the end they get more money. Players are in favor of turning salary to bonus money because it makes it that much harder on a team to possibly release a player if there is more money (bonus money) that would be dead money.

3) What you're talking about on what some Cowboy contracts have are not restructuring built in BUT team and/or players ability to void out the contract. Those are in there and at a point where most of all of the guaranteed money has been paid leaving a small amount that would go to dead money. Those contracts aren't the type that the Cowboys would try to restructure or they wouldn't have put in the void option.

4) I'm sorry if I understand how contracts and the cap works better than you.

5) It's like trying to add apples and oranges when trying to compare contracts signed in different years with different market values. If we can go back to 2019 ya Prescott's first year would be much less that what it will be this season. Most feel Prescott's salary portion will be in the 22 mil or 23 mil with anywhere from 10 mil to 15 mil in bonus money or a cap hit of 32 mil to 38 mil Prescott's agent France will no doubt make sure that the bulk of the money will get paid in the first 3 years.
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[Loso86]

It was always going to him anyway.

It still wont effect the cP as much as the tah does this year and next