capologists what would releasing Williams

[mmillman]

cost Dallas? Would bringing in a good, not great, WR like Burleson be an option for Dallas if they release Williams under the final 8 team restriction? He is owed a huge bonus. Wouldn't that be better spent on someone else?

 

[dbair1967]

cost Dallas? Would bringing in a good, not great, WR like Burleson be an option for Dallas if they release Williams under the final 8 team restriction?

They arnt going to release RW, so you and alot of others may as well get over it.

RW is due a huge, GUARANTEED bonus and it'd be pretty stupid for Jones to flat out release the guy today, while having to pay him said bonus regardless.

As for cap impact, there is none if its an uncapped season.

 

[Stash]

Honestly, for as disappointing as the results have been thus far, what does cutting the guy get you?

Nothing but a big bill on your hands for what's left of his contract, a void in your wide receiver corps, and a big black eye for a collossal trade blunder.

Doesn't sound all that appealing to me.

Worst-case scenario, you vastly overpay a non-starting receiver (in an uncapped year) and play someone else.

I see no reason not to give things a chance to improve this year.

 

[CosmicCowboy]

man, hell of a fix....

 

[diehard2294]

How many times must this be explained, as dbair explains there makes no sense releasing him. If the comment by Wade at the combine holds true he will have to fight for his spot. I for one encouarge this move and hopefully the best man wins and the big dollars don't cloud the judgment

 

[Big Dakota]

I'm gonna ride...........ride the dead horse.

 

[Yeagermeister]

The cap hit isn't the issue. It's the 9.5 mil Jerry would have to pay him. He did that last with TO and I can't Jerry doing that again.

 

[mmillman]

The cap hit isn't the issue. It's the 9.5 mil Jerry would have to pay him. He did that last with TO and I can't Jerry doing that again.

I guess that was more my point. He is owed a huge bonus soon correct? Why pay that for his lack of production when there are other free agents out there you could use that money on?

 

[ethiostar]

They arnt going to release RW, so you and alot of others may as well get over it.

RW is due a huge, GUARANTEED bonus and it'd be pretty stupid for Jones to flat out release the guy today, while having to pay him said bonus regardless.

As for cap impact, there is none if its an uncapped season.

I guess that was more my point. He is owed a huge bonus soon correct? Why pay that for his lack of production when there are other free agents out there you could use that money on?

Am I missing something or are you?

 

[Yeagermeister]

I guess that was more my point. He is owed a huge bonus soon correct? Why pay that for his lack of production when there are other free agents out there you could use that money on?

He'll get the money if he's on the team or not so it's basically spent.

 

[Bleu Star]

Honestly, for as disappointing as the results have been thus far, what does cutting the guy get you?

Nothing but a big bill on your hands for what's left of his contract, a void in your wide receiver corps, and a big black eye for a collossal trade blunder.

Doesn't sound all that appealing to me.

Worst-case scenario, you vastly overpay a non-starting receiver (in an uncapped year) and play someone else.

I see no reason not to give things a chance to improve this year.

Sadly, this makes the most sense. We screwed the pooch when we went out and got him. It makes no sense to cut him given the variables that go into play next season (uncapped year, guaranteed bonus).

I look at it this way.. Watching him come up short regularly is the equivalent to enduring nails on a chalkboard. It's very painful but a well placed left hook at any time can end the pain... Last year he had no excuses. We all know how much he underwhelmed. This year, he has the equivalent of less than zero excuses. There will be no surprises to anyone involved (media, fans, coaches, hookem horns faithful, etc) if Wade "hooks em" and goes with someone else. To me, at this stage, we are in a win/win situation.

 

[dbair1967]

Am I missing something or are you?

he gets the bonus whether he is here or not...even if they release him, they still have to pay him

it makes little sense to waste that amount of money on a player that wont be here

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I'm gonna ride...........ride the dead horse.

:laugh2:

 

[ethiostar]

he gets the bonus whether he is here or not...even if they release him, they still have to pay him

it makes little sense to waste that amount of money on a player that wont be here

Yeah, I get it. My post was direct at mmmillman. I was just directing his attention to your post to clarify his confusion.

 

[Doomsay]

he gets the bonus whether he is here or not...even if they release him, they still have to pay him

it makes little sense to waste that amount of money on a player that wont be here

It makes even less sense to continue to play him when we have more productive receivers already on the roster. Getting rid of him will improve the team - forcing him on Jason and Tony hurts the team, the money along with the draft picks are already gone.

The cap hit question is interesting given the situation this season. If we bite the bullet now and crapcan him would there be any cap implications for 2011? If we keep him another season and crapcan him in 2011, will there be any cap considerations for that year?

 

[Hostile]

The cap hit isn't the issue. It's the 9.5 mil Jerry would have to pay him. He did that last with TO and I can't Jerry doing that again.

Jerry didn't owe TO any money. We had a cap hit, but did not pay him. TO was paid by Buffalo.

That would not be the case with Roy. He has a guaranteed contract. We would pay him and take the cap hit.

 

[theogt]

Honestly, for as disappointing as the results have been thus far, what does cutting the guy get you?

Nothing but a big bill on your hands for what's left of his contract, a void in your wide receiver corps, and a big black eye for a collossal trade blunder.

Doesn't sound all that appealing to me.

Worst-case scenario, you vastly overpay a non-starting receiver (in an uncapped year) and play someone else.

I see no reason not to give things a chance to improve this year.

Stash, FTW.

 

[igtmfo]

Why not cut Roy? ... Jerry would SAVE a million vis-a-vis keeping Ogletree or a low drafted/UDFA rookie. I am no capologist but from what I read (and sorry it has prolly been whipped to death on this board):

Archer says in DMN blog a few days ago: In addition to RW's $9.5 million bonus guaranteed this year:

RW's 2010 base salary: $3.452 million

RW's guaranteed 2010 base salary: Around $2 million.

Cut RW: The difference in the two above: save around 1.452 million (money Jerry keeps in his pocket that is ... no accelerated cap hit this year) ...

Ogletree's base salary as second-year player: Around $400,000 ...

BTW, rookie minimum is $310,000 for 2010. A rookie taken in the fourth round, for example, would cost maybe first year salary of $500,000-700,000 (this is not totally exact, but close) ... signing bonuses are negligible.

So I bet there will be a WR taken on the second or third day of the draft, and UDFAs brought in more so than usual, to try and displace RW. Whether RW goes or stays, will depend on another Ogletree stepping up. Cowboys will wait until training camp sorts itself out before they cut RW ... They probably want to look at letting Sam Hurd go anyway too since he is what he is at this point ... It will be a cattle call for WRs for the Cowboys this year!

Please correct any errors above, Adam or anyone ...

 

[gary guzner]

Worth more to keep around for insurance than to cut and eat the salary. Scoot to the end of the bench and see if that motivates him.

 

[dstew60105]

Why not cut Roy? ... Jerry would SAVE a million vis-a-vis keeping Ogletree or a low drafted/UDFA rookie. I am no capologist but from what I read (and sorry it has prolly been whipped to death on this board):

Archer says in DMN blog a few days ago: In addition to RW's $9.5 million bonus guaranteed this year:

RW's 2010 base salary: $3.452 million

RW's guaranteed 2010 base salary: Around $2 million.

Cut RW: The difference in the two above: save around 1.452 million (money Jerry keeps in his pocket that is ... no accelerated cap hit this year) ...

Ogletree's base salary as second-year player: Around $400,000 ...

BTW, rookie minimum is $310,000 for 2010. A rookie taken in the fourth round, for example, would cost maybe first year salary of $500,000-700,000 (this is not totally exact, but close) ... signing bonuses are negligible.

So I bet there will be a WR taken on the second or third day of the draft, and UDFAs brought in more so than usual, to try and displace RW. Whether RW goes or stays, will depend on another Ogletree stepping up. Cowboys will wait until training camp sorts itself out before they cut RW ... They probably want to look at letting Sam Hurd go anyway too since he is what he is at this point ... It will be a cattle call for WRs for the Cowboys this year!

Please correct any errors above, Adam or anyone ...

Your logic only applies to a capped season. It makes no sense to cut him/pay him. If Ogletree is better, he starts, if not, he doesn't.