capologists what would releasing Williams

[Yeagermeister]

Jerry didn't owe TO any money. We had a cap hit, but did not pay him. TO was paid by Buffalo.

That would not be the case with Roy. He has a guaranteed contract. We would pay him and take the cap hit.

The why did we have a 9mil cap hit when he was released? Did he not get that 9mil?

 

[dbair1967]

The why did we have a 9mil cap hit when he was released? Did he not get that 9mil?

He got that as a signing bonus when we redid his contract.

RW is due a roster bonus thats guaranteed whether he is here or is released before then.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Cutting Roy...

Keeping Roy...

We're screwed irregardless.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Jerry didn't owe TO any money. We had a cap hit, but did not pay him. TO was paid by Buffalo.

That would not be the case with Roy. He has a guaranteed contract. We would pay him and take the cap hit.

9.5 mil came off the Dallas Cowboy books when we cut TO.

Same deal for Roy.

 

[Angus]

Honestly, for as disappointing as the results have been thus far, what does cutting the guy get you?

Nothing but a big bill on your hands for what's left of his contract, a void in your wide receiver corps, and a big black eye for a collossal trade blunder.

Doesn't sound all that appealing to me.

Worst-case scenario, you vastly overpay a non-starting receiver (in an uncapped year) and play someone else.

I see no reason not to give things a chance to improve this year.

It gives a useful spot on the roster.

 

[BigDFan5]

9.5 mil came off the Dallas Cowboy books when we cut TO.

Same deal for Roy.

The money for TO was a prorated amount that had alreadpy previously been paid

the 9 mill for Roy is cash out of pocket this year no matter if he is cut or still on the team

 

[big dog cowboy]

Cut Roy?

:horse:

It WON'T happen.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The money for TO was a prorated amount that had alreadpy previously been paid

the 9 mill for Roy is cash out of pocket this year no matter if he is cut or still on the team

Well that's the 1st I heard that his bonus was prorated.

 

[iceberg]

cost Dallas? Would bringing in a good, not great, WR like Burleson be an option for Dallas if they release Williams under the final 8 team restriction? He is owed a huge bonus. Wouldn't that be better spent on someone else?

i'd rather know what it would take to kill this question and have people stop asking it 5-10 times a week.

 

[Hostile]

9.5 mil came off the Dallas Cowboy books when we cut TO.

Same deal for Roy.

No it's not the same deal. Learn to read.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

No it's not the same deal. Learn to read.

I could, if you would learn to put your thoughts down more succinctly...

The money for TO was a prorated amount that had alreadpy previously been paid

the 9 mill for Roy is cash out of pocket this year no matter if he is cut or still on the team

 

[theogt]

 

[Hostile]

The why did we have a 9mil cap hit when he was released? Did he not get that 9mil?

TO had a contract. That contract called for him to be paid 9.5 million in 2009...IF HE WAS ON THE ROSTER. He was not, but the NFL still enforces the cap hit amount we were contractually obligated to pay. The bottom line is, Jerry did not pay Terrell Owens $9.5 million in 2009. Buffalo paid him $6.5 million. Owens did not make $17 million dollars from 2 football teams. We did not pay him.

The $9.5 million was a cap hit, dead money, over and done.

Now let's show how Roy would be different. Roy's money IS guaranteed. That means Roy gets paid no matter what. So we would not only have the cap hit, Jerry would actually have to pay the money owed, $9.5 million. Even if Roy signed on with another team.

It is a double whammy to Jerry.

He's not going to do that, no matter how many ways people try to think around it. Jerry is a shrewd business man. He knows the difference between sunk cost (Owens) and funding another owner (Roy) by paying a guy playing for someone else.

 

[Hostile]

I could, if you would learn to put your thoughts down more succinctly...

I highly doubt it.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I highly doubt it.

You're wrong then, Your Long-Windeness.

 

[theogt]

TO had a contract. That contract called for him to be paid 9.5 million in 2009...IF HE WAS ON THE ROSTER. He was not, but the NFL still enforces the cap hit amount we were contractually obligated to pay. The bottom line is, Jerry did not pay Terrell Owens $9.5 million in 2009. Buffalo paid him $6.5 million. Owens did not make $17 million dollars from 2 football teams. We did not pay him.

That's not EXACTLY how it worked. He was scheduled to make $2.670 million in base salary and a roster bonus of $3.1 million in 2009. Since he was cut, he was not actually paid those amounts.

The $9.5 million cap hit comes from the acceleration of his cap hit that had previously been prorated over the length of the contract. He had $12.9 million of his contract guaranteed, which would allow the team to prorate the amount over the four years of the contract. In 2008, 1/4 of the $12.9 million had been booked. That left roughly $9.5 million that would be prorated over the remaining three years. But if he's cut, it accelerates and is charged all to 2009.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

but...but...Ze BUFFALO BILLS!!

 

[Hostile]

That's not EXACTLY how it worked. He was scheduled to make $2.670 million in base salary and a roster bonus of $3.1 million in 2009. Since he was cut, he was not actually paid those amounts.

The $9.5 million cap hit comes from the acceleration of his cap hit that had previously been prorated over the length of the contract. He had $12.9 million of his contract guaranteed, which would allow the team to prorate the amount over the four years of the contract. In 2008, 1/4 of the $12.9 million had been booked. That left roughly $9.5 million that would be prorated over the remaining three years. But if he's cut, it accelerates and is charged all to 2009.

I was trying to simplify the explanation Theo. I know it was not "exactly" how it worked.

It still is not the same thing to release Roy that it was when we released Owens. There are over riding factors due to his guaranteed money.

 

[theogt]

I was trying to simplify the explanation Theo. I know it was not "exactly" how it worked.

It still is not the same thing to release Roy that it was when we released Owens. There are over riding factors due to his guaranteed money.

Understood. It can be difficult trying to dumb things down for Bob.

 

[NeonNinja]

Understood. It can be difficult trying to dumb things down for Bob.

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