Carr or Williams?

[sonnyboy]

We lacked consistent pressure. The kind the Giants and Eagles put on Romo. When you have that, you don't force your secondary to cover for long. When you don't have that, any quality receiver is going to work open against any quality corner.

Defense starts with your ability to stop the run and rush the passer. We did one of those things really well.

25 of 32 teams consistenly put less pressure on the QB than we did.

This is a "team" sport.
It's not all about the QB.
It's not all about the running game.
It's not all about the OL.
It's not all about the defense.
AND IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT THE PASS RUSH.

Everything matters. IMO...yes some stuff matters more. QB is #1 and yes pass rush helps more than coverage ability.

And the fact we had the 7th most sacks in football last year gives me hope. Now all we have to do is get a couple more players in the secondary who can cover for 2.5 secs.

 

[gimmesix]

Last years bargain shopping was due to cap issues that were tighter than what they are this year

Not really. Dallas had the ability to create however much it needed to sign Nnamdi, but after he chose Philadelphia, the Cowboys decided to essentially make last year a cap casualty to open up future cap space.

They didn't have to bargain shop.

 

[gimmesix]

25 of 32 teams consistenly put less pressure on the QB than we did.

This is a "team" sport.
It's not all about the QB.
It's not all about the running game.
It's not all about the OL.
It's not all about the defense.
AND IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT THE PASS RUSH.

Everything matters. IMO...yes some stuff matters more. QB is #1 and yes pass rush helps more than coverage ability.

And the fact we had the 7th most sacks in football last year gives me hope. Now all we have to do is get a couple more players in the secondary who can cover for 2.5 secs.

I think you are putting too much of an emphasis on having the seventh-most sacks. The team I saw in our poor defensive showings could not put enough pressure on the quarterback.

Plus, Dallas' pass rush numbers are skewed by the fact that one player accounted for half its sacks. Some of the teams we struggled against did everything they could to limit Ware and force others to beat them. No one did that consistently for us.

I'm not saying we don't need secondary help, but without more consistent pass rush pressure, we're still not going to beat teams with good offenses.

 

[JohnsKey19]

If one or the other...I take Williams.

I think Williams + 1st/2nd round CB makes a greater impact on your defense than Carr + Spencer(and/or 1st/2nd round OLB/DE).

 

[sonnyboy]

I think you are putting too much of an emphasis on having the seventh-most sacks. The team I saw in our poor defensive showings could not put enough pressure on the quarterback.

Plus, Dallas' pass rush numbers are skewed by the fact that one player accounted for half its sacks. Some of the teams we struggled against did everything they could to limit Ware and force others to beat them. No one did that consistently for us.

I'm not saying we don't need secondary help, but without more consistent pass rush pressure, we're still not going to beat teams with good offenses.

Thankyou, I needed a good laugh this evening. Everytime someone on this site tries to "qualify" our sack total or pass rush in general by discounted Ware production.....I LOL.

Oh we rush the passer well because we have the league's best pass rusher?????? You think??????

 

[gmoney112]

Our pass rush is decent. I still have nightmares of seeing Eli standing in the pocket for a solid 5 seconds while he goes through his progressions about 4 times.

 

[gimmesix]

Thankyou, I needed a good laugh this evening. Everytime someone on this site tries to "qualify" our sack total or pass rush in general by discounted Ware production.....I LOL.

Oh we rush the passer well because we have the league's best pass rusher?????? You think??????

It seemed like the fact that one guy is doing half the work producing those numbers you like to point to is lost on you. "We have the seventh-most sacks in the league."

The Giants' success was due in part to the fact that they were getting pressure from multiple sources. That made it harder on Romo, Rodgers, etc., to pick on their corners, who I don't think are all that great. It made it harder for the lines to concentrate on just stopping one guy.

Our struggles against Philly had a lot to do with them having Cole and Babin consistently putting pressure on the pocket.

It's a testament to Ware's ability as a pass rusher that he put up the numbers he did, because he certainly did not have any kind of consistent help. (The closest we came to that was Hatcher.) Your refusal to acknowledge that doesn't change it.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Being greedy - both.

 

[NeonNinja]

Being greedy - both.

That would be nice.

 

[Joe Realist]

both, and a center? really greedy

 

[Hostile]

I think the true debate should be Nicks or Williams. I believe Carr is a fait accompli if he hits the market Tuesday.

However, if we sign Nicks I would expect us to go DL at 14. If we sign Williams I expect us to go OL at 14.

 

[gimmesix]

both, and Nicks? really greedy

Fixed it for you.

 

[This is Our Year]

Nicks, Carr, DeCastro............... my plan and hopefully Jerry's

 

[TheRat]

This is kind of like Sophie's choice, where Jerry is Meryl Streep and Roger Goodell is the ****.

 

[TheRat]

I think the true debate should be Nicks or Williams. I believe Carr is a fait accompli if he hits the market Tuesday.

However, if we sign Nicks I would expect us to go DL at 14. If we sign Williams I expect us to go OL at 14.

an elite guard or an elite pass rusher? There is no debate. Nicks may be great, but he is a guard dude.

 

[Primetime42]

an elite guard or an elite pass rusher? There is no debate. Nicks may be great, but he is a guard dude.

Not only that, but if you'd rather pay enormous money to one position and play a rookie at another, it would be...

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

I want both Carr and Williams and I do believe it can be done. then give me a guard and a Center in the first 3 rounds of the draft

 

[gimmesix]

I want both Carr and Williams and I do believe it can be done. then give me a guard and a Center in the first 3 rounds of the draft

I've got to come down off this hype before I get too excited and then too disappointed when neither Williams, Carr nor Nicks end up in Dallas.

Instead we'll probably end up signing Coleman, Ball and Dockery.

 

[silverbear]

If you can only sign one, who would you rather have?

That's a tough one... Williams is a stud when healthy, but he does have injury issues, and would probably be better in a 4-3... Carr is one of the better corners in the league, perhaps the best available in free agency, and of course the Boys have a large need at that position...

Thinking hard, I'd go with Williams... why, you ask?? Well, there are a lot more cornerback options available in free agency than there are passrushing options... you can sign Williams and then pursue a second tier corner, but I don't see any second tier passrushers who really impress me...

 

[silverbear]

I think the true debate should be Nicks or Williams. I believe Carr is a fait accompli if he hits the market Tuesday.

However, if we sign Nicks I would expect us to go DL at 14. If we sign Williams I expect us to go OL at 14.

That makes perfect sense, except I don't know if it's DL you should be talking about, rather it should be a passrushing OLB...

If we sign Williams, draft DeCastro or Glenn...

If we sign Nicks, draft Perry or Upshaw or Whitney or Branch...