Case for/against

[WillieBeamen]

Drew Sanders:

• For: Talented athlete that is an ascending player. A really nice pass rusher that is just scratching the surface. Would allow Dan Quinn to use him as a chess piece like Parsons. He could take pressure off of Micah and in protection meetings on Saturday nights, the offense couldn’t just put extra guys on Parsons because he could drop with Sanders coming. He would allow the defense to be even more multiple. Seems to have nice LB instincts and football IQ.
• Against: has only one year of starting. High ceiling player but I think he has a low floor as well. I normally like to see a player do it for more than one season. Saban chose not to play him much for some reason. Not overly physical.

Jahmyr Gibbs:

• For: An extremely talented runner who is smooth as silk and catches the ball like a slot receiver. Has good vision and a knack for making cuts at full speed. Is fast and uses subtle moves to discombobulate defenders in the open field. Will be a real weapon in the screen game. If he catches the ball with blockers out in front… look out. In conjunction with Pollard would scare defenses as either could go the distance on any carry. With Gibbs replacing Elliott, defenses would have to be very good on every down. Could make the Dallas run game a truly terrifying experience for defensive coordinators.
• Against: Positional value. Runners drafted in the mid rounds could be effective in a good run offense (though not as dangerous). Gibbs is not a proficient pass protector and would need some work in that area. Would be lighting paired with lightning in tandem with Pollard. The 3rd RB would have to provide the thunder.

Tulipulotu:

• For: Tuli plays with a relentless spirit and will give you all he has on every snap. He has some versatility to be used inside or outside and would provide Quinn with plenty of options to work him in on a rotation. He is strong in the run game. Could provide a good pass rush from DT.
• Against: He won’t give you a ton of edge rush ability. He will set a good edge in the run game but his pass rush won’t scare NFL tackles. Like Jimmy Johnson said… run stoppers are a dime-a-dozen. While his athleticism is high for a 3T DT, it is low for an NFL edge rusher. Looks to me more like a second round player who is solid but not going to provide enough to warrant a first round pick.

Torrence:

• For: A very strong, big guy that is suited more for the Cowboys’ new inside zone that Solari and Schottenheimer will run, than he is for last year’s outside zone. Inside zone requires the OL to get vertical movement with the DL instead of just the horizontal displacement that the outside zone requires. Torrence is tailor made to get that physical push upfield. A bit of a bully and in conjunction with Tyler Smith, would provide a rough day on the left side for defenders trying to hold up against the run. He’s a good effort player and can be counted on to play hard.
• Against: He is a similar player to Avila, who can be acquired in the second round… which really points to OG being a positional value concern. While I don’t really see Torrence as a slow footed player, he might not be as proficient getting out when the team does decide to use an outside zone, although it won’t be as often. In my mind, Torrence isn’t as good a player as Schmitz (who could play at C or OG), who could probably be taken at pick 26 as well.

I see Gibbs, Sanders and Torrence as worthy of a first round pick, while I don’t really see that with Tulipolutu. You could question the positional value with all three of Sanders, Gibbs and Torrence, but I see all of them as viable late first round targets.

With Sanders you could argue his pass rush potential and make a good case for him but his pass rush in the pro’s isn’t a given at this point.

Still, I like all 3 of them and would understand why the team would want any of them at pick 26. They all could really help immediately.

Great breakdown bro

 

[Shane612]

Im gonna do this periodically throughout the draft. Im gonna name some players, you give me a case for and against each player. Im going start off with potential 1st round picks

Drew Sanders: LB/Edge Rusher Arkansas

Jahmyr Gibbs: HB Alabama

Tuli Tuipulotu: DT/DE USC

Osyrus Torrence: G Florida

For/against cowboys drafting them... or something else?

 

[xwalker]

Gibbs isnt the same player as Pollard at all. Gibbs is much closer to Mcaffery or Kamara than he is to Pollard

In the same category.

Split all RBs into 2 categories:
Category 1: Includes Kamara.
Category 2: Includes AJ Dillon.

 

[xwalker]

Im gonna do this periodically throughout the draft. Im gonna name some players, you give me a case for and against each player. Im going start off with potential 1st round picks

Drew Sanders: LB/Edge Rusher Arkansas

Jahmyr Gibbs: HB Alabama

Tuli Tuipulotu: DT/DE USC

Osyrus Torrence: G Florida

You should do another one of these. I like the concept.

 

[darthseinfeld]

You should do another one of these. I like the concept.

I plan on it

 

[timb2]

Im gonna do this periodically throughout the draft. Im gonna name some players, you give me a case for and against each player. Im going start off with potential 1st round picks

Drew Sanders: LB/Edge Rusher Arkansas

Jahmyr Gibbs: HB Alabama

Tuli Tuipulotu: DT/DE USC

Osyrus Torrence: G Florida

Drew Sanders a little too high cut to be a LB and probably not the fastest.More possible DE and we are already loaded at DE.

Jahmyr Gibbs is 205 lbs will need to get bigger and we already have seen this before both with Julius & Felix Jones they lost speed and also agility getting bigger.

Tulu Tuipulotu I like him and he could become the inside presence we need on our d- line.


O' Cyrus Torrance I like him but he seems one dimensional( Roadgrader) and I believe he will have weight issues. Could eat his way out of the league type.

 

[tm1119]

Im gonna do this periodically throughout the draft. Im gonna name some players, you give me a case for and against each player. Im going start off with potential 1st round picks

Drew Sanders: LB/Edge Rusher Arkansas

Jahmyr Gibbs: HB Alabama

Tuli Tuipulotu: DT/DE USC

Osyrus Torrence: G Florida

Sanders for: Great height/weight/athleticism combo. Plays with good strength and hustle. Versatility.
Sanders against: Jack of all trades but master of none? I have questions about his ability to be a “sack artist” type that can get 10+ sacks. Also have questions about his ability to drop back and cover in space to play base LB in a 4-3.

Gibbs for: Electric speed and dangerous in space. Cuts on a dime and can accelerate away from defenders. Great addition to the passing game with good hands.
Gibbs against: Don’t know if this is necessarily an “against”, but is he more of a great weapon than a true RB? Can he consistently run between tackle, get tough short yardage/goal line, and consistently pass protect? I know split backfields are common, but if I’m drafting a 1st round RB I’d like a bell cow.

Tuli for: Good size with the ability to play inside and out. Decent burst for a DE and does show some bend ability for a 280+ pounder. Can shoot a gap and beat a slower guard inside.
Tuli against: Too much of a tweener? While he’s not bad in either category, doesn’t play with egreat power to think he can hold up at 3 tech consistently or speed to beat OT’s as a wide pass rusher. Best fit may be as a 3-4 DE 5 tech.

Torrence for: Huge and powerful, not going to lose a battle of power against many. Very solid technique, doesn’t look to be a penalty concern or like he needs much development time. Road grader in the run game.
Torrence against: Can he do all of the things that make a guard truly great such as get to the 2nd level and pull effectively? Another case of position value, if I’m drafting a OG in round 1 I need to feel confident I’m drafting a true pro bowl level talent that can do it all.