Case for Connor McGovern

[quickccc]

The coaches are much higher on Lve then are the fans and he is much better then average. He next deal might be in that 6 million annually which isn't too expensive compared to others playing that position. Edwards from Buffalo wants 15 million. As for Payne, I have my doubts if they will get into a bargaining war, but it doesn't mean that cannot still sign a good alternative.

Bland is much better in the slot, then he is on the outside, certainly better then Jourdin Lewis who if cut saves us 5 Million, that alone pays for Lve.

And that's probably why we will remain average and questionable and have the defensive lapses that we encounter throughout the season and into the playoffs.

- LVE is in that decent- serviceable range and that band aid a position/situation ..until you can eventially get a much better upgrade.

- This reminds of that LB Anthony Hitchens debate awhile back.
A try hard guy who doesn't make big turnovers, makes most plays on his side of the ball. -

- Although LVE is much more physically imposing, athletic and much better in coverage than Hitchens ever was.

- LVE does his best work in coverage - whether vs man or dropping in zone space areas and when he can drive in pursuit without having to take on incoming blocks. .

- A one year rental would be more idea, but going into a year where he durably played most games, - the neck injuries and medical concerns
can scare you off and that's all the more reasons why you have to eventually upgrade and move on. ..

 

[Cowboyny]

And that's probably why we will remain average and questionable and have the defensive lapses that we encounter throughout the season and into the playoffs.

- LVE is in that decent- serviceable range and that band aid a position/situation ..until you can eventially get a much better upgrade.

- This reminds of that LB Anthony Hitchens debate awhile back.
A try hard guy who doesn't make big turnovers, makes most plays on his side of the ball. -

- Although LVE is much more physically imposing, athletic and much better in coverage than Hitchens ever was.

- LVE does his best work in coverage - whether vs man or dropping in zone space areas and when he can drive in pursuit without having to take on incoming blocks. .

- A one year rental would be more idea, but going into a year where he durably played most games, - the neck injuries and medical concerns
can scare you off and that's all the more reasons why you have to eventually upgrade and move on. ..

Hitchens got I believe 9 million a season at the time, Lve I hearing will be in that 6 million range, which is far more reasonable for his services. Think his play was night and day different when Hankins was in the lineup and they did hold the 49ers great run game in check for 3 quarters. With so many holes, we can ill afford to create many more, especially how this team just uses the draft for team building.

 

[Cowboyny]

- Bland has a 4.4 speed but does he turn his head to locate the ball in turn and go man coverage to be that needed No.2 CB on the outside role ..??

- Diggs does not have elite speed - but he compensates that via route anticipation, positioning , elite ball hawk mentality and hands and extreme self confidence ..

- Bland has the physical tools, athleticism ball hawk INT skills and toughness - but can he play more like an outside CB than what he offers other than a slot guy ?

- From Scandrick, .....to Awuzie .. to Anthony Brown, and even with Bland, we've always had CBs that cannot turn their head. locate the ball in air to make the play.
We have to have CBs like Diggs who makes turn head and play on the air in turn n go transition coverage.

What I saw was an elite slot corner and one who had his struggles on the outside. I did an analysis on the draft zone that you should check out about the traits they seek for their #2 corner. You are right he need a corner who is able to locate the football when his back is turned to the QB, this has been an issue here for many years and saw last yr how much our #2 corners struggled in that area. Brown like Awuzie always was in the right position, but never can locate the football. We need to find this type of corner was has that ability.

 

[Cowboyny]

Stephen definitely not gonna dish that out for an average OG like Gov, -they'll offer him a bit over the league minimal

... unless there's a cannot pass up type OG per their draft board value in the 2nd, 3rd ,.we're likely gonna likely go mid rid with a developmetal OG
or a bargain binge vet in FA.

1st Tier
Issac Seumalo Philly ?
Ben Powers Balt ?
- Two likely to be way outpriced.

2nd Tier
Ethan Pocic Clev
Kaleb McGary ATL
Jawaan Taylor Jax
Dalton Risner Denv

Bargain binge vets
Kelvin Beachum Ariz
Evan Brown Det
Roger Saffold ?
Billy Price ?
Trai Turner ?
Wil Hernadez ?


https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/guard/all/

Keep an eye on Pocic-he has ties to our two new coaches. As for the draft, been digging into how the Cowboys should fill their OL needs. There are two real good Tackles (probably out of our range), but 1 power guard who is expected to be in that 20-30 range. After that, there are a few other names, but it's not the deepest especially at Guard, but some decent Center prospects.

 

[Pass2Run]

The coaches are much higher on Lve then are the fans and he is much better then average. He next deal might be in that 6 million annually which isn't too expensive compared to others playing that position. Edwards from Buffalo wants 15 million. As for Payne, I have my doubts if they will get into a bargaining war, but it doesn't mean that cannot still sign a good alternative.

Bland is much better in the slot, then he is on the outside, certainly better then Jourdin Lewis who if cut saves us 5 Million, that alone pays for Lve.

I still think they should try Joseph in the slot. They've only seen him work on the outside.

 

[quickccc]

Unless Tyron retires, he's going to be a Cowboy. That means we could keep McGovern, but the plan would be for him to be a backup to Tyler at LG. Now, McGovern will probably be cheaper than Peters, so I don't have a problem with re-signing him, but you don't want to pay too much if Tyron is the projected tackle and Tyler the projected guard.

Frankly, if Tyron doesn't retire, then I'd be OK going without McGovern and Peters and have Tyron, Tyler, Biadasz, Martin and Steele as our top five, Farniok and Waletzko as our top backups and a draft pick thrown into contention. We may have limited draft picks, but we also have limited cap space. I'd rather use it elsewhere to make hitting on picks at those other positions less of an absolute need.

- Farniok struggled when press to fill in, he i a limited athlete who doesn't have the anchor core strength to fill in for an entire game.
His biggest asset is his flexibility to play C and OG in a pinch.
But he's also one of those that the more he has to play, the more exposed he becomes.. .

- McGovern would be more idea as a backup, he could add depth and flexibility since he was finally given reps and time at center.
Dunno if he could get much better at center to be appealing to other NFL teams.

- The Cowboys actually pressed Jason Peters to start at LT, while Tyler moved to LG .
.. as apparently the Cowboys were so concerned about Vita Vea and Akeem Hicks giving McGovern fits at the starting LG spot.

- This is why we need an upgrade at starting LG. It's not the leading priority, but it's still a sore spot.

 

[DuncanIso]

Tyron back to LT. TSmith to LG.

Peter’s is done. He’s old and he got hurt because of it.

Buy some knee braces.

 

[Proof]

did i miss where there was a case made?

 

[eromeopolk]

They were one of the league leaders in the least sacks, playing a rookie LT and 2 backup players at Guard. Collins once again didnt play the entire season, Connor Williams was apart of an OL team hat had their QB have multiple concussions. Line is still in the midst of a rebuild and probably are 1 starter, 1 key reserve away. What we need is a better run and passing scheme more so then lack of talent

I said the media was saying the performance of the OL was bad in pass protection. I understand were you are coming from because you had a 1K and 900 yd rusher with least sacks in the NFL.

I am about team chemistry and continuity. I believe if you brought back every player from that 2021 team for 2022 who was under contract or agreed to the money offered to return, The Jonesboys would have morphed back into the Dallas Cowboys and made the 2022 NFC championship game and possibly a Super Bowl. It is hard to replace Pro Bowlers, leaders, and starters that are teammates and friends with rookies and plug ins that have to learn each other. Jerry Dumbo GM Jones messed up the 2022 off season and it bit him in his wrinkled butt at the end. 49ers keep their team together, Eagles enhanced their team, and Jonesboys had a giveaway.

 

[Bigtex67]

There are few positions easier to draft than a guard. No one is talking about using 26 on a guard but in the 2-3 rounds there will be a handful of guys as capable as mcgovern

Agreed, but the drafted rookie must also play Fullback......

 

[Cowboyny]

I said the media was saying the performance of the OL was bad in pass protection. I understand were you are coming from because you had a 1K and 900 yd rusher with least sacks in the NFL.

I am about team chemistry and continuity. I believe if you brought back every player from that 2021 team for 2022 who was under contract or agreed to the money offered to return, The Jonesboys would have morphed back into the Dallas Cowboys and made the 2022 NFC championship game and possibly a Super Bowl. It is hard to replace Pro Bowlers, leaders, and starters that are teammates and friends with rookies and plug ins that have to learn each other. Jerry Dumbo GM Jones messed up the 2022 off season and it bit him in his wrinkled butt at the end. 49ers keep their team together, Eagles enhanced their team, and Jonesboys had a giveaway.

I think the release of Cooper had the biggest impact as Gallup failed to match his prior production and our prospects behind him didn't give anything. As for the OL, the way to build continuity is to put a young group together and allow them to gel. Clearly, we are still in the midst of a rebuilding job and long-term pieces are being added and some bridge players will get replaced. It's evident they need 1 more impact starter either at G or T. Tyron Smith is on borrowed time and probably has more season with the team.

 

[gimmesix]

- McGovern would be more idea as a backup, he could add depth and flexibility since he was finally given reps and time at center.
Dunno if he could get much better at center to be appealing to other NFL teams.

I just think someone is going to pay McGovern starting money, like Miami did with Williams.

Although there was a lot to like about our line last year, it still wasn't good enough, so I really don't want to bring McGovern back as starter. I also prefer that we not invest another first-round pick in the line right now. That's why I favor reverting to our original plan last year, starting Tyron at LT and Tyler at LG. Tyler is the eventual LT, but it can wait until Tyron calls it quits, which I don't think is too much longer.

The idea of reinvesting in Peters doesn't bother me because I believe he can help out some at LT, but obviously with two older vets with some injury issues manning LT there's a pretty good amount of concern about them being able to hold up. So we've got to get a guard to groom (in case we need to move Tyler back to LT or Waletzko doesn't show he can handle to role).

I'd love it if our future on the left side were actually LT Waletzko and LG Tyler Smith, but I don't know how realistic that is. I really want to get a good long look at Waletzko this preseason. I liked his movement skills and thought he showed decent strength in the limited time we got to see him. Too bad Ball doesn't seem to be an option, but he'd have to improve dramatically.

 

[john van brocklin]

Unless the Cowboys are blown out of the water by another team cap Guru Stephen needs to sign this man to a new contract . I was relieved last season to see Williams and Collins depart but McGovern in tandem with Martin form a nice guard duo with hopefully Farniok coming back healthy as depth .

Bringing him back after you’ve invested his rookie contact getting him up to speed as a starter means one less fire to put out in the draft where other positions are lacking .

As long as he does not break the bank , sure.
Jerry tends to overpay our own , so that's a legit concern.

 

[speedkilz88]

I think the release of Cooper had the biggest impact as Gallup failed to match his prior production and our prospects behind him didn't give anything. As for the OL, the way to build continuity is to put a young group together and allow them to gel. Clearly, we are still in the midst of a rebuilding job and long-term pieces are being added and some bridge players will get replaced. It's evident they need 1 more impact starter either at G or T. Tyron Smith is on borrowed time and probably has more season with the team.

Gallup had offseason surgery (scope) to clean out his right knee & right ankle. Those were the reason.

 

[quickccc]

I just think someone is going to pay McGovern starting money, like Miami did with Williams.

Although there was a lot to like about our line last year, it still wasn't good enough, so I really don't want to bring McGovern back as starter. I also prefer that we not invest another first-round pick in the line right now. That's why I favor reverting to our original plan last year, starting Tyron at LT and Tyler at LG. Tyler is the eventual LT, but it can wait until Tyron calls it quits, which I don't think is too much longer.

The idea of reinvesting in Peters doesn't bother me because I believe he can help out some at LT, but obviously with two older vets with some injury issues manning LT there's a pretty good amount of concern about them being able to hold up. So we've got to get a guard to groom (in case we need to move Tyler back to LT or Waletzko doesn't show he can handle to role).

I'd love it if our future on the left side were actually LT Waletzko and LG Tyler Smith, but I don't know how realistic that is. I really want to get a good long look at Waletzko this preseason. I liked his movement skills and thought he showed decent strength in the limited time we got to see him. Too bad Ball doesn't seem to be an option, but he'd have to improve dramatically.

- Some other NFL team(s) will seek to overpay McGovern. Maybe they see a Willliams in McGovern.

- Williams is now a pro bowl caliber center for the Dolphins.
Maybe another NFL team may perceive the same with McGovern.

- Peters is just a serviceable backup filler at OT at this point in his career. and i have my doubts if he'll also backup at OG as well.
There's certain stances and waist and knee bend needed at certain position. It could depend upon the OL scheme and coaches.

- OL coaches can vary and differ in personnel use, techniques and philosophy, and we have a new OL coach doing the works.

- While the team may see Peters as a fall back emergency kit, the club really wants the young bucks Ball and Waletzko to develop and emerge.
i can see Tyrone Smith doing a Dlaw type salary cut deal, and returning to starting LT, .... or could be a total cap casualty cut altogether.

- My long term preference is seeing Tyler Smith as the eventual heir apparent at LT.

 

[conner01]

Agreed, but the drafted rookie must also play Fullback......

Or you can use the swing guy. We used Collins some this year. It’s not easy blocking in space so some probably can’t do it well but I like using it