Case for Connor McGovern

[RonWashington]

Yah I see them both as an issue. Thats why to me the Oline is still a big priority. Late in the first round what can you get that is the possibility of a blue chipper? Guard, safety, WR, RB, LB, TE? Im all about the Oline on offense. If you have a dominant line it makes things so much easier on your QB, RB, the entire offense. I dont see this team winning a SB with anything but an elite QB without a top 3-5 Oline.

Agree totally which has me saying keep McGovern if the price is right and cconcentrate on another tackle to pair with Tyler Smith and have two dominant young tackles . 77 and Steele not long term and Peters thanks have a nice retirement . Ball & Waletzco get them plenty of pre season banging around .

 

[CowboyRoy]

Agree totally which has me saying keep McGovern if the price is right and cconcentrate on another tackle to pair with Tyler Smith and have two dominant young tackles . 77 and Steele not long term and Peters thanks have a nice retirement . Ball & Waletzco get them plenty of pre season banging around .

My issues is that the Oline wasnt good enough last year. And McGover was the weak link. We need another dominant type guy. With Steele as the weakest link, I could see us being a top line. But not with both Mcgovern AND Steele. Now if your talking about spending big money on a RT and then getting Mcgovern for cheap? I like Steele better than McGovern. Steele is a beast in the run game. McGovern is average to weak in both.

Then IM factoring in that guards are cheaper in FA so you could get a much better player for the same price at guard than RT.

 

[Cowboyny]

Im not debating whether he will be back just if he should. I wouldnt resign him unless we sign Payne and need a bargain MLBer.

LVE is not a force. He is simply an average MLB that makes some plays here and there. This team is weak up the middle. LVE is part of that problem. No studs in the middle.

As far as the CB position I would move Bland outside and possibly resign our slot corner that got hurt.

The coaches are much higher on Lve then are the fans and he is much better then average. He next deal might be in that 6 million annually which isn't too expensive compared to others playing that position. Edwards from Buffalo wants 15 million. As for Payne, I have my doubts if they will get into a bargaining war, but it doesn't mean that cannot still sign a good alternative.

Bland is much better in the slot, then he is on the outside, certainly better then Jourdin Lewis who if cut saves us 5 Million, that alone pays for Lve.

 

[CowboyRoy]

The coaches are much higher on Lve then are the fans and he is much better then average. He next deal might be in that 6 million annually which isn't too expensive compared to others playing that position. Edwards from Buffalo wants 15 million. As for Payne, I have my doubts if they will get into a bargaining war, but it doesn't mean that cannot still sign a good alternative.

Bland is much better in the slot, then he is on the outside, certainly better then Jourdin Lewis who if cut saves us 5 Million, that alone pays for Lve.

We can disagree. LVE is no way much better than average. And he wouldnt be taking 6 million if he was.

Bland is a stud and can play anywhere. Slot corners much easier to find.

 

[Cowboyny]

We can disagree. LVE is no way much better than average. And he wouldnt be taking 6 million if he was.

Bland is a stud and can play anywhere. Slot corners much easier to find.

Bland doesn't possess that elite speed, which we need at that position. Reason why Lve is in that range is more to do with his lack of durability.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Bland doesn't possess that elite speed, which we need at that position. Reason why Lve is in that range is more to do with his lack of durability.

Again not agreeing. Bland can be every bit as good as Brown if not better. He is a playmaker and good against the run.

LVE has been here for years and is what he is. I have him as an average linebacker.

 

[RonWashington]

I hope Damon Clark with some exposure this year to the speed of an NFL game makes a jump and adds to the answer of run support . If he’s got side line to side line speed one would think he’s got coverage capabilities as a LB . Devin Harper last years late round pick flashed in pre season then was not heard from , injured ?

Jabril Cox total mystery . They must not trust him what so ever to play meaningful snaps.

 

[TheHerd]

“ millions less “. ….You mean a rookie draft pick mid to late rounds while this team tries to re establish a running game . Sounds like a step backward.

No, McGovern will get 6-7 from Jerry. Jag guards from another team as good as McGovern can be had for 3 or 4.

 

[Verdict]

I'm leaning against it. If our intent is to keep Tyron around and possibly even bring back Peters, what McGovern will get as a free agent can be spent elsewhere because we'll expect our starting line to be Tyron/Peters, Tyler, Biadasz, Martin and Steele, which is a stronger lineup than one with McGovern.

Of course, that's a questionable lineup because of Tyron and Peters' age and health. But we do have Farniok, who has proven to be a decent sub if needed. Plus, I'm interested in seeing Waletzko at tackle. I'd also like to see us grab another guard in the draft around the third or fourth round.

Now, if we decide to "retire" Tyron, then I would see what McGovern is seeking and consider it. But I think our goal should be improving the line rather than maintaining the status quo. Going back to the plan to start Tyler at guard can improve the line, esp. with Steele back at RT. It's an iffy proposition because of Tyron's ongoing health issues, but I think we can mitigate that some without paying what it would take to keep McGovern.

McGovern is a much better player than Peters at this point in his career. Moreover McGovern is a much more consistent player that Tyron at this point in his career.

I’m all for an upgrade over McGovern, but if he is cheap enough he’s not going to be a liability on the line. The NFL isn’t going to give us 20 draft picks to fill in our roster.

 

[Verdict]

No, McGovern will get 6-7 from Jerry. Jag guards from another team as good as McGovern can be had for 3 or 4.

Yeah that $3M range wouldn’t be a bad spot for McG.

 

[McKDaddy]

If you don't bring him back, you will have to draft another guard. I'd rather spend the draft capital somewhere else.

You aren't replacing him in FA without paying something similar to what he will get. So, the only options are if Farniok is believed to be good enough or draft someone. Either way, odds are low you get equal production in the short term. In other words, you aren't likely to improve.

 

[3rdEyewarrior]

Unless the Cowboys are blown out of the water by another team cap Guru Stephen needs to sign this man to a new contract . I was relieved last season to see Williams and Collins depart but McGovern in tandem with Martin form a nice guard duo with hopefully Farniok coming back healthy as depth .

Bringing him back after you’ve invested his rookie contact getting him up to speed as a starter means one less fire to put out in the draft where other positions are lacking .

No.

 

[McKDaddy]

I think McGovern is going to get more money from other teams than we think. Austin Corbett, of the 2021 Rams, got $8.5 million in free agency. I think McGovern is going to get something like that.

Teams are desperate for good OL. Folks can't say we have a top 5 OLine and then act like he wasn't a part of it.

He's clearly better than CWill and I believe CWill got something in that range as well.

 

[McKDaddy]

Funny how some of you act like we have unlimited draft picks. Let everyone walk & replace them in the draft.

 

[quickccc]

Bringing back McGovern could be in that 5-7 million range, that's too much for an average starter.

Stephen definitely not gonna dish that out for an average OG like Gov, -they'll offer him a bit over the league minimal

... unless there's a cannot pass up type OG per their draft board value in the 2nd, 3rd ,.we're likely gonna likely go mid rid with a developmetal OG
or a bargain binge vet in FA.

1st Tier
Issac Seumalo Philly ?
Ben Powers Balt ?
- Two likely to be way outpriced.

2nd Tier
Ethan Pocic Clev
Kaleb McGary ATL
Jawaan Taylor Jax
Dalton Risner Denv

Bargain binge vets
Kelvin Beachum Ariz
Evan Brown Det
Roger Saffold ?
Billy Price ?
Trai Turner ?
Wil Hernadez ?


https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/guard/all/

 

[baltcowboy]

Conner played solid but there is a reason they kept trying to put Tyler at guard at the end of the season. We need to let him go. He will get a similar contract to Conner Williams.

 

[zekecowboy]

I’m certainly in favor of making a run at Payne using Schultz $ .

Washington will franchise tag Payne. Not going to happen. Move on to a realistic option.

 

[quickccc]

Conner played solid but there is a reason they kept trying to put Tyler at guard at the end of the season. We need to let him go. He will get a similar contract to Conner Williams.

Never say never when it comes to that crazy FA market and some teams ... but that would mean those some team could think McGovern is more of a center prospect player
than a OG prospect player .
- ala Dolphis with Conner Williams as a center, ..instead of the average OG he was made to be here in Dallas.

- Williams came on to play on a pro bowl level in his new starting position. so he had it in him .. we just failed to place him in position to excel at that role, vying for Tyler
Biadasz and his alterative named pro bowl role.

- Hmmm, Methinks could this also be yet another reason why management insist on moving on from Joe Philibin and to a new, different OL coach ..?

 

[gimmesix]

McGovern is a much better player than Peters at this point in his career. Moreover McGovern is a much more consistent player that Tyron at this point in his career.

I’m all for an upgrade over McGovern, but if he is cheap enough he’s not going to be a liability on the line. The NFL isn’t going to give us 20 draft picks to fill in our roster.

Unless Tyron retires, he's going to be a Cowboy. That means we could keep McGovern, but the plan would be for him to be a backup to Tyler at LG. Now, McGovern will probably be cheaper than Peters, so I don't have a problem with re-signing him, but you don't want to pay too much if Tyron is the projected tackle and Tyler the projected guard.

Frankly, if Tyron doesn't retire, then I'd be OK going without McGovern and Peters and have Tyron, Tyler, Biadasz, Martin and Steele as our top five, Farniok and Waletzko as our top backups and a draft pick thrown into contention. We may have limited draft picks, but we also have limited cap space. I'd rather use it elsewhere to make hitting on picks at those other positions less of an absolute need.

 

[quickccc]

Bland doesn't possess that elite speed, which we need at that position. Reason why Lve is in that range is more to do with his lack of durability.

- Bland has a 4.4 speed but does he turn his head to locate the ball in turn and go man coverage to be that needed No.2 CB on the outside role ..??

- Diggs does not have elite speed - but he compensates that via route anticipation, positioning , elite ball hawk mentality and hands and extreme self confidence ..

- Bland has the physical tools, athleticism ball hawk INT skills and toughness - but can he play more like an outside CB than what he offers other than a slot guy ?

- From Scandrick, .....to Awuzie .. to Anthony Brown, and even with Bland, we've always had CBs that cannot turn their head. locate the ball in air to make the play.
We have to have CBs like Diggs who makes turn head and play on the air in turn n go transition coverage.