Caution needed with trade ideas right now

[dblock125]

Hard to disagree with your assessment. However, with this offense that includes Pickens and Javonte (who may or may not be here next season) its hard to count them out of contention. I think just improving the defense marginally along with adding Revel and Overshown would greatly increase their chances at making a run. At what cost? Thats the million dollar question

 

[Cowboyny]

I’m going to cut to the chase.

I know this won’t be a popular opinion right now but I’m leery of making a trade for a defensive player using our big future draft capital. I’m not opposed to adding some talent to our defense. I just don’t want to see the #1’s we’ve stockpiled for rebuilding our future be used on a 3-3-1 team that needs a 5-7 player upgrade, not 1-2 players.

Yes, this team is exciting offensively and has been fun to watch. But defensively this team is still a talent starved mess that is NOT one player away from being a contender.

Here are my reasons to not use our big draft capital now:

• I know the NFC is “wide open” (maybe) But we haven’t even won two games in a row yet. I would like to see some consistency before using our biggest assets for a right now moment.
• Bringing in a big name defensive player in exchange for a #1 pick is more short sighted (and expensive) than thoughtfully putting together a young, talented defense that is drafted to be here.
• Maxx Crosby for example is big name, $35 mil a yr player with talent. But that’s close to Parsons money with less talent, and he’s 28 now in his 7th season. That’s a win now player with a financial commitment very close to levels that might prevent more talent added.
• I would rather have a collection of young up and comers for a lot less cap space.
• I don’t want to see a “marketing move” made just for the excitement of the moment only to see us be right back next year needing more draft capital for a rebuild.
• This defense needs a ton of talent to become a contender. One player - even two is not going to get us there now.

I’m not saying we shouldn’t try to improve this team. But I don’t want to see us waste a great opportunity to build a better future because we want to spice up a 3-3-1 team to finish 8-7-1 and not really accomplish anything.

Disagree,!if they want to make a run in Dak’s window, you for it now. Can’t wait on developing a prospect. When Dak retires or leaves, then you go the young route

 

[Bobhaze]

The other side of your very intelligent trades concern is this: Dak is having an outstanding year, but it's his 10th year in the league. How many more years does he have at this level? Will being aggressive now work better with him leading the team?

Chuck I think that a fair question.

In answer, yes I think Dak has (barring major injury) at least 5 more seasons left in him. He’s been taking good care of his body as we’ve seen this year with his weight loss and commitment to being in top shape.

And I don’t think there’s an absolute urgency to do something big now. Because I also believe this team is not a trade or two away from contention.

 

[noshame]

Cee Dee for Ma

 

[dupree89]

I’m not sure the rams would take two #1’s for McVay. He’s one of the most innovative offensive minds of this era.

He would also probably never agree to be here where he would be restricted by this team’s “arrangement” with its owner/GM.

no way would he work for Jerry...Vrabel the same. I don't think either Harbaugh would work for Jerry. Being head coach of the Dallas Cowboys isn't a glamorous job anymore. Just go through our coaches since Jimmy. Sean Payton? No shot without total control.

 

[dupree89]

I'm not giving my final answer until I can at least get Rockport's opinion. That goes a long way with me. He is pretty level headed.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Agree to a point, but this team needs to make a decision about their window. Those draft picks are over the next 2 years and rookies typically take some time to contribute greatly.

So, you have the #1 offence in the league now. Do you think you can keep that together long enough to rebuild your defense through the draft? Not so sure.

Otherwise, you shoot your shoot for the next couple of years getting immediate proven contributors and utilize the window of this offense.

 

[gimmesix]

I’m going to cut to the chase.

I know this won’t be a popular opinion right now but I’m leery of making a trade for a defensive player using our big future draft capital. I’m not opposed to adding some talent to our defense. I just don’t want to see the #1’s we’ve stockpiled for rebuilding our future be used on a 3-3-1 team that needs a 5-7 player upgrade, not 1-2 players.

Yes, this team is exciting offensively and has been fun to watch. But defensively this team is still a talent starved mess that is NOT one player away from being a contender.

Here are my reasons to not use our big draft capital now:

• I know the NFC is “wide open” (maybe) But we haven’t even won two games in a row yet. I would like to see some consistency before using our biggest assets for a right now moment.
• Bringing in a big name defensive player in exchange for a #1 pick is more short sighted (and expensive) than thoughtfully putting together a young, talented defense that is drafted to be here.
• Maxx Crosby for example is big name, $35 mil a yr player with talent. But that’s close to Parsons money with less talent, and he’s 28 now in his 7th season. That’s a win now player with a financial commitment very close to levels that might prevent more talent added.
• I would rather have a collection of young up and comers for a lot less cap space.
• I don’t want to see a “marketing move” made just for the excitement of the moment only to see us be right back next year needing more draft capital for a rebuild.
• This defense needs a ton of talent to become a contender. One player - even two is not going to get us there now.

I’m not saying we shouldn’t try to improve this team. But I don’t want to see us waste a great opportunity to build a better future because we want to spice up a 3-3-1 team to finish 8-7-1 and not really accomplish anything.

It really depends for me where we believe we are at QB. If we believe Prescott has multiple years left, then I'm for improving the team with high-quality veterans to try to make a run at a Super Bowl in the next few years. If we believe that we need the next franchise QB, then I would be in favor of keeping the picks to help us get trade up and get him.

I agree that we're not a player away on defense, but we're also not a draft or two away if the draft is our only aspect of team-building. Getting a player like Crosby who can hold down one of the end spots while we try to build on that with the other draft picks is worth it and isn't just a win now move.

Just like trading for Pickens isn't just a win-now move. It solidifies our receiving duo more than using that third-round pick likely would have. Trading is the only way outside of drafting that this team adds top-tier talent other than occasionally getting lucky with a cheap FA, so I'm all for the right move because it's not just about improving our team this year.

 

[nate dizzle]

I’m going to cut to the chase.

I know this won’t be a popular opinion right now but I’m leery of making a trade for a defensive player using our big future draft capital. I’m not opposed to adding some talent to our defense. I just don’t want to see the #1’s we’ve stockpiled for rebuilding our future be used on a 3-3-1 team that needs a 5-7 player upgrade, not 1-2 players.

Yes, this team is exciting offensively and has been fun to watch. But defensively this team is still a talent starved mess that is NOT one player away from being a contender.

Here are my reasons to not use our big draft capital now:

• I know the NFC is “wide open” (maybe) But we haven’t even won two games in a row yet. I would like to see some consistency before using our biggest assets for a right now moment.
• Bringing in a big name defensive player in exchange for a #1 pick is more short sighted (and expensive) than thoughtfully putting together a young, talented defense that is drafted to be here.
• Maxx Crosby for example is big name, $35 mil a yr player with talent. But that’s close to Parsons money with less talent, and he’s 28 now in his 7th season. That’s a win now player with a financial commitment very close to levels that might prevent more talent added.
• I would rather have a collection of young up and comers for a lot less cap space.
• I don’t want to see a “marketing move” made just for the excitement of the moment only to see us be right back next year needing more draft capital for a rebuild.
• This defense needs a ton of talent to become a contender. One player - even two is not going to get us there now.

I’m not saying we shouldn’t try to improve this team. But I don’t want to see us waste a great opportunity to build a better future because we want to spice up a 3-3-1 team to finish 8-7-1 and not really accomplish anything.

Here's where I'm at with it Bob, and I started firmly in the keep all our picks for the draft camp. Dak has been playing well enough to fool Jerry into the idea that he doesn't need to use those picks to get a blue chip 1st rd QB.

So based on that, and the fact that I don't have any faith in this FO finding better in the draft, I would say go get all the quality defensive starters we can right now. I keep hearing this is a SB team if the defense can get to even mid-tier.

I still think Dak will fold like a cheap suit in the playoffs, so let's test the theory. Beef up the defense and remove the excuses. Mad Max, Minka, Demario Davis, Simmons, Hendrickson, Q Williams should all be targets.

 

[MarcusRock]

I'm not giving my final answer until I can at least get Rockport's opinion. That goes a long way with me. He is pretty level headed.

Maybe for cutting drywall, but for football? Hmmmm.



Hey-yo!
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[JW82]

We've waited 30 years. They have a top 3 offense and it's a well rounded offense with QB playing out of his mind. If they aren't going to go for it now, then Why even bother??

 

[ShiningStar]

I’m going to cut to the chase.

I know this won’t be a popular opinion right now but I’m leery of making a trade for a defensive player using our big future draft capital. I’m not opposed to adding some talent to our defense. I just don’t want to see the #1’s we’ve stockpiled for rebuilding our future be used on a 3-3-1 team that needs a 5-7 player upgrade, not 1-2 players.

Yes, this team is exciting offensively and has been fun to watch. But defensively this team is still a talent starved mess that is NOT one player away from being a contender.

Here are my reasons to not use our big draft capital now:

• I know the NFC is “wide open” (maybe) But we haven’t even won two games in a row yet. I would like to see some consistency before using our biggest assets for a right now moment.
• Bringing in a big name defensive player in exchange for a #1 pick is more short sighted (and expensive) than thoughtfully putting together a young, talented defense that is drafted to be here.
• Maxx Crosby for example is big name, $35 mil a yr player with talent. But that’s close to Parsons money with less talent, and he’s 28 now in his 7th season. That’s a win now player with a financial commitment very close to levels that might prevent more talent added.
• I would rather have a collection of young up and comers for a lot less cap space.
• I don’t want to see a “marketing move” made just for the excitement of the moment only to see us be right back next year needing more draft capital for a rebuild.
• This defense needs a ton of talent to become a contender. One player - even two is not going to get us there now.

I’m not saying we shouldn’t try to improve this team. But I don’t want to see us waste a great opportunity to build a better future because we want to spice up a 3-3-1 team to finish 8-7-1 and not really accomplish anything.

one question

where ya been the last 29 years?

new to CZ?

you coudl trade for Super stars in every position and still lose

you can trade away every player and replace them with bottom shelf ceral

the results are the same.

 

[ShiningStar]

We've waited 30 years. They have a top 3 offense and it's a well rounded offense with QB playing out of his mind. If they aren't going to go for it now, then Why even bother??

Jerry likes money, he told you that to your face. why are you asking if we all know the answer?

 

[TexasBacon]

I’m going to cut to the chase.

I know this won’t be a popular opinion right now but I’m leery of making a trade for a defensive player using our big future draft capital. I’m not opposed to adding some talent to our defense. I just don’t want to see the #1’s we’ve stockpiled for rebuilding our future be used on a 3-3-1 team that needs a 5-7 player upgrade, not 1-2 players.

Yes, this team is exciting offensively and has been fun to watch. But defensively this team is still a talent starved mess that is NOT one player away from being a contender.

Here are my reasons to not use our big draft capital now:

• I know the NFC is “wide open” (maybe) But we haven’t even won two games in a row yet. I would like to see some consistency before using our biggest assets for a right now moment.
• Bringing in a big name defensive player in exchange for a #1 pick is more short sighted (and expensive) than thoughtfully putting together a young, talented defense that is drafted to be here.
• Maxx Crosby for example is big name, $35 mil a yr player with talent. But that’s close to Parsons money with less talent, and he’s 28 now in his 7th season. That’s a win now player with a financial commitment very close to levels that might prevent more talent added.
• I would rather have a collection of young up and comers for a lot less cap space.
• I don’t want to see a “marketing move” made just for the excitement of the moment only to see us be right back next year needing more draft capital for a rebuild.
• This defense needs a ton of talent to become a contender. One player - even two is not going to get us there now.

I’m not saying we shouldn’t try to improve this team. But I don’t want to see us waste a great opportunity to build a better future because we want to spice up a 3-3-1 team to finish 8-7-1 and not really accomplish anything.

I usually agree with all your posts, but I must dissent here.

You have the #1 offense in the league. You have the #1 special teams unit in the league. Best Kicker. Best returner. We saw how good this team was in 2023 only to be a ghost of themselves in 2024. One of the best things about Dak and this offense right now is that it doesn't feel like a flash like prior good offensive streaks did. This feels.... right. It feels sustainable. Built from the ground up. They rebuilt the offensive line and it's deep. They hit on a great RB in Williams. They are finally out of the Garrett offense for the first time in Dak's career and between that and Dak's leaner physique, he just seems to actually be in command. I'm not saying that I'm not still in "show me" mode with Dak and this team in general when it comes to the playoffs. I'm just saying that something is different. Something big. Yes, I know we are 3-3-1. But with just a decent, subpar defense, that I believe we can easily attain with 2 difference makers via a trade, Overshown coming back (though we can't bank on him, which is why one of the trades should be for an LB), Revel and Carson entering the mix, and hopefully Eberflus finally playing more man coverage or making better adjustment, I'd argue with a player like Maxx Crosby and a good LB that maybe you just give up a 2nd for from the Titans, Raiders, Saints, Jets, etc., we are EASILY 5-3. I'll give Philly that game because it was offensive drops and miscues that cost us. But we beat GB and Carolina with a decent defense. But even sitting at 3-3-1 I think (just like I would tell a Dak-homer in prior years who would blindly cite his stats to justify him being the best QB in the league when 80%) that sometimes you just have to look with your eyes. This offense is real, it's different than anything we've seen, and it's already gone to toe to toe with who most people have as 2 of the top 3 teams in the conference and could have beat Philly and damn sure should have beaten GB. MOST importantly, it doesn't feel like a flash in the pan like many, if not all of the prior years when our offense has looked very good.

We've seen far too many teams fall off dramatically from one year to the next with the same personnel. I pray we will keep him, but we could have to let Pickens walk if he wants Lamb and Jefferson money. You just don't waste this year. You at least try. Maybe you overpay a little in capital, but ya know, it's not like the Cowboys have hit it out of the park in the draft defensively in early rounds other than the guy we just traded anyway. Even aside from the "do it to win now" mantra, I'd almost rather overpay for proven commodities. We've seen what "next year" gets us. We just need a serviceable defense and anything can happen. If Overshown can be 80% of what he was last year, we get Revel and Carson in (...I mean, can we trade back for Jourdan Lewis...kinda not joking...), then I believe we truly could contend this year. Call me a homer or dumb or say Dak will choke or whatever CZ, but just the eye test tells me this team is different. We are 4-5 players and better coaching for the defense to be good. But with the injured players we have coming back and 1-2 trades, we could be decent, and that's all we need. They better do it before Arizona, can't afford to drop many more NFC games especially.

 

[75boyz]

I usually agree with all your posts, but I must dissent here.

You have the #1 offense in the league. You have the #1 special teams unit in the league. Best Kicker. Best returner. We saw how good this team was in 2023 only to be a ghost of themselves in 2024. One of the best things about Dak and this offense right now is that it doesn't feel like a flash like prior good offensive streaks did. This feels.... right. It feels sustainable. Built from the ground up. They rebuilt the offensive line and it's deep. They hit on a great RB in Williams. They are finally out of the Garrett offense for the first time in Dak's career and between that and Dak's leaner physique, he just seems to actually be in command. I'm not saying that I'm not still in "show me" mode with Dak and this team in general when it comes to the playoffs. Yes, I know we are 3-3-1. But with just a decent, subpar defense, that I believe we can easily attain with 2 difference makers via a trade, Overshown coming back (though we can't bank on him, which is why one of the trades should be for an LB), Revel and Carson entering the mix, and hopefully Eberflus finally playing more man coverage or making better adjustment. I'd argue with a player like Maxx Crosby and a good LB that maybe you just give up a 2nd for from the Titans, Raiders, Saints, Jets, etc., we are EASILY 5-3. I'll give Philly that game because it was offensive drops and miscues that cost us. But we beat GB and Carolina with a decent defense. But even sitting at 3-3-1 I think (just like I would tell a Dak-homer in prior years who would blindly cite his stats to justify him being the best QB in the league when 80%) that sometimes you just have to look with your eyes. This offense is real, it's different than anything we've seen, and it's already gone to toe to toe with who most people have as 2 of the top 3 teams in the conference and could have beat Philly and damn sure should have beaten GB. MOST importantly, it doesn't feel like a flash in the pan like many, if not all of the prior years when our offense has looked very good.

We've seen far too many teams fall off dramatically from one year to the next with the same personnel. I pray we will, but we could have to You just don't waste this year. You at least try. Maybe you overpay a little in capital, but ya know, it's not like the Cowboys have hit it out of the park in the draft defensively in early rounds other than the guy we just traded anyway. Even aside from the "do it to win now" mantra, I'd almost rather overpay for proven commodities. We've seen what "next year" gets us. We just need a serviceable defense and anything can happen. If Overshown can be 80% of what he was last year, we get Revel and Carson in (...I mean, can we trade back for Jourdan Lewis...kinda not joking...), then I believe we truly could contend this year. Call me a homer or dumb or say Dak will choke or whatever CZ, but just the eye test tells me this team is different. We are 4-5 players and better coaching for the defense to be good. But with the injured players we have coming back and 1-2 trades, we could be decent, and that's all we need. They better do it before Arizona, can't afford to drop many more NFC games especially.

Really nice and balanced opinion with logical reasoning to back it up.

I am NOT against optimism.
Yours is as good a reason to believe in a this year is the year attitude as is my deep held pessimistic playoff opinion of our team.

Really nice job brother.

 

[DFWJC]

I heard that Max's average is more like 28mil when combining contracts

If he can be had for a 1st and 3rd

You are trading Micah and a 3rd for

• Max Crosby
• 1st round pick
• 19 mil per year (47-28) to use towards George Pickens
• Kenny Clark

 

[Ironicalicon]

I’m going to cut to the chase.

I know this won’t be a popular opinion right now but I’m leery of making a trade for a defensive player using our big future draft capital. I’m not opposed to adding some talent to our defense. I just don’t want to see the #1’s we’ve stockpiled for rebuilding our future be used on a 3-3-1 team that needs a 5-7 player upgrade, not 1-2 players.

Yes, this team is exciting offensively and has been fun to watch. But defensively this team is still a talent starved mess that is NOT one player away from being a contender.

Here are my reasons to not use our big draft capital now:

• I know the NFC is “wide open” (maybe) But we haven’t even won two games in a row yet. I would like to see some consistency before using our biggest assets for a right now moment.
• Bringing in a big name defensive player in exchange for a #1 pick is more short sighted (and expensive) than thoughtfully putting together a young, talented defense that is drafted to be here.
• Maxx Crosby for example is big name, $35 mil a yr player with talent. But that’s close to Parsons money with less talent, and he’s 28 now in his 7th season. That’s a win now player with a financial commitment very close to levels that might prevent more talent added.
• I would rather have a collection of young up and comers for a lot less cap space.
• I don’t want to see a “marketing move” made just for the excitement of the moment only to see us be right back next year needing more draft capital for a rebuild.
• This defense needs a ton of talent to become a contender. One player - even two is not going to get us there now.

I’m not saying we shouldn’t try to improve this team. But I don’t want to see us waste a great opportunity to build a better future because we want to spice up a 3-3-1 team to finish 8-7-1 and not really accomplish anything.

Nailed it again, Bobby!

 

[Diehardblues]

I’m going to cut to the chase.

I know this won’t be a popular opinion right now but I’m leery of making a trade for a defensive player using our big future draft capital. I’m not opposed to adding some talent to our defense. I just don’t want to see the #1’s we’ve stockpiled for rebuilding our future be used on a 3-3-1 team that needs a 5-7 player upgrade, not 1-2 players.

Yes, this team is exciting offensively and has been fun to watch. But defensively this team is still a talent starved mess that is NOT one player away from being a contender.

Here are my reasons to not use our big draft capital now:

• I know the NFC is “wide open” (maybe) But we haven’t even won two games in a row yet. I would like to see some consistency before using our biggest assets for a right now moment.
• Bringing in a big name defensive player in exchange for a #1 pick is more short sighted (and expensive) than thoughtfully putting together a young, talented defense that is drafted to be here.
• Maxx Crosby for example is big name, $35 mil a yr player with talent. But that’s close to Parsons money with less talent, and he’s 28 now in his 7th season. That’s a win now player with a financial commitment very close to levels that might prevent more talent added.
• I would rather have a collection of young up and comers for a lot less cap space.
• I don’t want to see a “marketing move” made just for the excitement of the moment only to see us be right back next year needing more draft capital for a rebuild.
• This defense needs a ton of talent to become a contender. One player - even two is not going to get us there now.

I’m not saying we shouldn’t try to improve this team. But I don’t want to see us waste a great opportunity to build a better future because we want to spice up a 3-3-1 team to finish 8-7-1 and not really accomplish anything.

There’s an excellent argument to be made for building for the future. And I think most fans would be on board. I certainly would be.

But what actually does our future look like ? Jethro is still GM , right. Is Shotty still our HC. Is Dak still our QB?? I’d like to hear more about this rebuild that no one in our organization has mentioned .

Do these fans believe the Parsons trade was an admission our FO is in rebuild mode? Not just a consolation of a negotiation gone bad.

Yes, we can look to add some talent with those picks. But even if we hit big on one of those picks next year and another the following what guarantees we can keep this offense together.

We haven’t resigned Pickens or Williams. If we don’t do we use our draft capital on offense. I have many more questions than answers.

And most importantly I believe our owner is All In with Dak and believes he can win now. Hard not to with this offense. Maybe we can spark this defense enough with a couple impact players. Enough for a bigger push than anyone of us can vision now.

The way we have missed on 1st round picks in recent years like Mazi and Taco I’m not banking on waiting 2 or 3 more years to see if we can hit again in the draft. And then hope we have held this offense and Dak together.

Or is part of this rebuild include drafting a heir apparent? So when we rebuild the defense we have a fresh young prospect at QB. Again not likely in the plans with these draft picks we have. Especially with Dak playing at this level.

I know all of this is well intended and if we had a normal situation instead of a dysfunctional organization there might be more to it. And honestly I thought this season was going to be a waste. But this offense is for real. It could make some noise if we had any kind of defense.

And why I’d be looking to prop it up. Cause Jethro only plays one season at a time. He’s not looking to the future. And with him we shouldn’t be either unfortunately. Every season is All In territory. That’s our owners mentality and should be ours as a result.

 

[MoistMayonnaise]

The problem is that Jerral thinks we are 1-2 players away. No one can convince him otherwise.

 

[Kwyn]

I’m going to cut to the chase.

I know this won’t be a popular opinion right now but I’m leery of making a trade for a defensive player using our big future draft capital. I’m not opposed to adding some talent to our defense. I just don’t want to see the #1’s we’ve stockpiled for rebuilding our future be used on a 3-3-1 team that needs a 5-7 player upgrade, not 1-2 players.

Yes, this team is exciting offensively and has been fun to watch. But defensively this team is still a talent starved mess that is NOT one player away from being a contender.

Here are my reasons to not use our big draft capital now:

• I know the NFC is “wide open” (maybe) But we haven’t even won two games in a row yet. I would like to see some consistency before using our biggest assets for a right now moment.
• Bringing in a big name defensive player in exchange for a #1 pick is more short sighted (and expensive) than thoughtfully putting together a young, talented defense that is drafted to be here.
• Maxx Crosby for example is big name, $35 mil a yr player with talent. But that’s close to Parsons money with less talent, and he’s 28 now in his 7th season. That’s a win now player with a financial commitment very close to levels that might prevent more talent added.
• I would rather have a collection of young up and comers for a lot less cap space.
• I don’t want to see a “marketing move” made just for the excitement of the moment only to see us be right back next year needing more draft capital for a rebuild.
• This defense needs a ton of talent to become a contender. One player - even two is not going to get us there now.

I’m not saying we shouldn’t try to improve this team. But I don’t want to see us waste a great opportunity to build a better future because we want to spice up a 3-3-1 team to finish 8-7-1 and not really accomplish anything.

Bob

One critical need, that can’t be disputed, is a high level pass rusher. It’s not on the roster and there’s only three ways to get one.

1. Draft
2. Free Agency
3. Trade

The Draft, while the most likely option, it’s a crap shoot.

Free agency has limited options. Hendrickson, Jaelen Phillips.

Trade lets you know exactly what you’ll get and how much it will cost.

This is one of the few positions that I would consider giving up a number one because the position has that value and trade is, imo, the most certain option.

I’ve been all about holding on to picks but I’m afraid Jerry will never rebuild and I have zero faith in his ability to do anything right.