CB Joey Thomas looking pretty good in TC

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Chocolate Lab;1568629 said:
I'm afraid Thomas is fool's gold. And this is from someone who saw him in a college all-star game and thought he looked really good. I can see why Parcells liked him, too, as he has good size for a corner.

But think about it -- Carroll was a bust for GB, and New Orleans has needed corners for, well, forever. They both cut him. Why?

I don't think it's because he lacks ability -- I thought I could see that even in the few minutes I saw him on TV. It's for other reasons. He either isn't smart or is a knucklehead or he has that Pete Hunter ability to totally lose concentration at times.

Thomas will have to crack the top 4 CB spots to stay. That really plays against him. The 5th guy probably won't be active during gameday and unless Ball or Butler really stink, they'd be more likely to get the nod as a developmental player.
 

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Chocolate Lab;1568629 said:
I'm afraid Thomas is fool's gold. And this is from someone who saw him in a college all-star game and thought he looked really good. I can see why Parcells liked him, too, as he has good size for a corner.

But think about it -- Carroll was a bust for GB, and New Orleans has needed corners for, well, forever. They both cut him. Why?

I don't think it's because he lacks ability -- I thought I could see that even in the few minutes I saw him on TV. It's for other reasons. He either isn't smart or is a knucklehead or he has that Pete Hunter ability to totally lose concentration at times.

From what I've gathered, he seems to have some attitude problems. Scouting reports when he came out indicated that he thought he was a little better than he actually was.
 

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http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/sports/ind...d=60192&ntpid=2

GREEN BAY - Joey Thomas entered training camp as the Green Bay Packers' starting left cornerback. He exited Lambeau Field Wednesday afternoon unemployed, three days after being benched in the team's loss at Cincinnati.

And while Thomas' release came as a shock to a number of his teammates, it did not come without warning and was the culmination of something that had been discussed for the "last couple weeks," coach Mike Sherman said.

"I think you have to be accountable and honest about where you are in order to make progress," said Sherman, who as general manager drafted Thomas in the third round from NCAA Division I-AA Montana State last year.

Sherman admitted he had been mulling the idea for a while and said while the decision was "difficult," he and general manager Ted Thompson, who is away on a scouting trip, talked it over Wednesday morning before the move was made.

"I slept on it (Tuesday) night and woke up and called Ted," Sherman said.

Thompson said that "this had come up before," and when asked if Thomas is a legitimate NFL player, Thompson replied, "I think he has a chance to be. I think he's young, but I think he wants to be good. I just think he's young."

Thomas, 25, was ahead of fellow second-year cornerback Ahmad Carroll, 22, on the Packers' depth chart after a strong offseason. But he quickly ceded the position in camp after missing major practice time with calf and hip injuries.

He reclaimed the starting job from Carroll after the first-round pick was benched following the Sept. 11 loss at Detroit. But Thomas allowed an 80-yard touchdown pass in a loss to Cleveland Sept. 18 and also suffered a mild concussion that kept him out of the Sept. 25 loss to Tampa Bay.

He had been working as the nickel (fifth) defensive back ever since but made major mistakes in each of the past two games and was replaced by rookie fifth-round pick Mike Hawkins.

Two weeks ago at Minnesota, Thomas allowed Vikings receiver Marcus Robinson to catch a 12-yard pass and get out of bounds in front of him to set up Paul Edinger's winning 56-yard field goal - even though defensive coordinator Jim Bates had told Thomas before the play to protect the boundary and not let a receiver get out to stop the clock.

Then, at Cincinnati Sunday, Thomas was benched in favor of Hawkins after committing a second-quarter illegal hands to the face penalty on a third-and-5 play from the Cincinnati 47-yard line. The flag gave the Bengals a first down and kept their touchdown drive alive even though quarterback Carson Palmer threw incomplete on the play.

Not only was Thomas flagged, he also fell down on the play and would have been burned for a huge gain had Palmer thrown to a wide-open Kelley Washington rather than Chad Johnson on the other side.

Asked afterward if he deserved to be benched, Thomas angrily replied to the State Journal, "Hell no." Sherman was less than thrilled to read that but insisted Thomas did not have an attitude problem.

"I mean, I (didn't) appreciate the quote in the paper the other day, but that just identified certain things that were happening. But no, that wasn't the reason," Sherman said. "He's not a bad kid. He's a good kid. He has not been a distraction in the locker room at all. As far as I know he's a very good person."

Thomas said he was informed of his release by pro personnel director Reggie McKenzie shortly before the team's afternoon practice, then had a 5-minute meeting with Sherman, whom Thomas called "a good dude."

"I was a little shocked," Thomas admitted. "They just called me up and said, 'You're released.' I didn't ask no questions. All I know is it happened. I'm a big believer that things happen for a reason. It's OK. I'll pick up the pieces.

"This definitely gives me a fresh start. I was disappointed when I heard I was released. No one's going to hear they're released and be filled with joy. But I'll go somewhere and start from scratch. I'm definitely optimistic. I think it's definitely going to be a good thing for me. I just want a chance and whatever team I go to I just get better and want to help them win games."

To take Thomas' spot on the roster, the Packers claimed rookie safety Jeremy Thornburg on waivers from San Francisco. Thornburg, who had been released Tuesday, played two games for the 49ers after spending four games on Philadelphia's 53-man roster. He signed with the Eagles as an undrafted free agent from Northern Arizona April 29.

Thomas figures to be claimed today and would be awarded to the club with the worst record if multiple teams claim him, as Bates expects.

"Every team will take a look at him," Bates said. "We're just trying to upgrade and do what's best for the team. We just cut bait."•
 

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Good find, Angus.

Wade actually mentioned Thomas just today. Said he grabs and holds too much downfield, which of course is a killer. And that he needs to be more consistent.
 

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Jake0;1568305 said:
No idea about what happened in NO but this is what's on his wikipedia page..

Thomas' play took a severe downturn after the Packers' 2005 bye week. In Week 7 against the Minnesota Vikings, he allowed Minnesota WR Marcus Robinson out of bounds, stopping the clock on a critical last minute Vikings drive that ended up costing the Packers the game. After embarrassing himself by falling down on a play after committing a critical hands to the face penalty against the Cincinnati Bengals in Week 8; Thomas was benched and rookie Mike Hawkins took his place. Thomas was later waived by Green Bay on November 2nd, 2005 He was then picked up by the New Orleans Saints on November 3rd, 2005.

Just costly mental errors..

junk;1568333 said:
He was also drafted the same year as Ahmad Carroll. Reportedly, the two got into a fight after a team meeting, so there was some friction. May have led to his release from GB as they stuck with the higher salaried first round pick.

However, he played lousy in NO.

It should be noted that Thomas was in his second year with Green Bay when he got into the fight with Carroll, who was also benched for lousy play a few times. Thomas was waived by GB after that and claimed by New Orleans off waivers. Parcells, who was high on Thomas since college, had the Cowboys in line to get Thomas then, but NO beat us to him. Anyhow, Thomas did not benefit from a training camp with NO; he was thrust into an already bad passing defense and was expected to play like a starter. That is a tough assignment for anyone, let alone a player just coming off his rookie season. I think he will surprise many here and should contribute once the season starts.
 

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superpunk;1568450 said:
I'm sure you've enjoyed seeing him almost exclusively at free safety, then.


I just hope he makes the team.

The odds are against Brown or Ball making it.

Considering all the problems we have at corner, it's depressing to think we didn't even take a blue chip corner in the draft.
 

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eduncan22;1569829 said:
I just hope he makes the team.

The odds are against Brown or Ball making it.

Considering all the problems we have at corner, it's depressing to think we didn't even take a blue chip corner in the draft.

Why are the odds against Brown or Ball?
 

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Hopefully one of the latter comments was try that he realized after leaving the NFL that he had to bust his tail and work hard to get back there. If he indeed talented, maybe with coaching and the new maturity he supposedly has, he might just help our Cowboys. So far he's certainly better then Reeves & Jones. Haven't heard much about Ball in TC even tho he was supposedly impressive in tha OTAs. How's Quincy Butler playing? We need a young CB to step it up just in case Henry can't do the job or Aaron Glenn gets hurt/loses a step.
 

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He needs to show up in the games before anything matters.

Lets hope he has something because we are all concerned about depth at CB.
 

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superpunk;1569843 said:
Why are the odds against Brown or Ball?

They were seventh round picks. One is learning a new position. One is rail thin. They have some significant veteran depth in front of them.

Everyone's put Brown on the roster due to his measureables since Day 1, but he definitely has an uphill climb to make the roster.

Many people expected Ball to an undrafted free agent.

They'll have to have good camps to make the team, so it isn't unreasonable to say the odds are against them.
 

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junk;1570031 said:
They were seventh round picks. One is learning a new position. One is rail thin. They have some significant veteran depth in front of them.

Everyone's put Brown on the roster due to his measureables since Day 1, but he definitely has an uphill climb to make the roster.

Many people expected Ball to an undrafted free agent.

They'll have to have good camps to make the team, so it isn't unreasonable to say the odds are against them.
It was more a setup for eduncan, but I'll go ahead and put it out there. :)

Over the past 4 years, we have had a seventh rounder make the team every season, at least their first year. Crayton, Ratliff, Pettiti, McQuistan - we've done pretty well just drafting athletes and letting them play their way onto the squad. It might not work this year, but recent precedence has our athletic 7th rounders doing pretty well making the squad.
 

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burmafrd;1570065 said:
Pettiti was a 6th rd I believe.
That is true. But the point about our recent seventh rounders is still there - they've been making the team over the past few years. We've been doing well drafting athletes.
 

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The last 3 years a 7th rd pick has stuck and been productive for us. McQ certainly looks like he will be, and Crayton and Ratliff have.
 
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