CB Review

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I avoided reading the reviews while doing this in an attempt to not be biased. I'm curious to go back and compare this with the draft media reviews.

Trae Waynes

Fast and quick. Can be physical but has thin build. Effort in tackling and getting off blocks is inconsistent. Make a surprising number of mistakes in both pass and run defense. Got tricked up with rub routes and WRs crossing paths. Seemed to lose concentration or awareness in run defense resulting in some big plays. Will often transition from back peddle too early. NFL receivers with key on that and can get CBs out of position with good cuts/route-running.

Byron Jones
Super athletic with good size, arm length and jumping ability to play the contested throws against big receivers. Not polished but played Safety for a big portion of his college career. Might have issue with small jitter-bug type receivers. Despite lack of polish, seems to be a smart player.

Marcus Peters

Likes to play up in the WRs face. Emotional on the field. Effort in run defense and tackling is often lacking. He can stay right on receivers with tight coverage and is good at preventing contested type catches. He will get too physical/grabby down-field at times. I can see him being a guy that would prefer to play man defense. Another guy that will transition from back peddle early, before the receiver makes his cut. Gives me a Mike Jenkins vibe.

Kevin Johnson
High effort player. Quick and agile. Probably the best back peddle and has nice transition out of back peddle. Is patient to stay in peddle until receiver commits to their move. Thin build with thin legs. Needs to get stronger. Good effort tackling and in run defense. Is more polished and has better awareness than most of the other in this draft. Decent job turning head on deep passes. Could probably cover the slot. Will likely be good against small and medium sized receivers but could struggle with the big receivers, especially on contested throws.

Eric Rowe
I'll review him here on his games at CB. Give good effort to fight through blocks and tackle in the running game. Surprisingly good in transition/change of direction. Good at defending jump ball type contested throws. Can turn an run with WRs and will usually get his head turned on the deep throws. Good awareness and appears to be a smart player. Good size at 6-1, 205 with decent arm length. He is the 5th best CB on the list for me and I might consider moving him even higher.

PJ Williams
Also a notch below the top 4 in athletic ability. Slow/stiff in transition. Will get beat off the line often. Gives up a lot of catches where he had tight coverage. Has good physicality and does not shy away from contact. Good speed.

Quinten Rollins
Surprisingly good considering he only played football for 1 year. Quick feet and quick transition/hip-turn. Solid built and decent physicality. Better than average body control to stay on receivers without interfering. Good hands for INTs. Deep speed is the big problem. He got beat in college purely due to a lack of deep speed. Physically, looks like an ideal zone CB. Safety is an option but he's going to need time to develop.

Josh Shaw
Looks the part with rock solid muscular build. Oddly seemed more physical and intense at CB than at Safety. Was a big hitter in some games/plays but not in others. In game footage transition/hip-turn appeared limited but in the combine workouts it looked really good. I think it’s more about a lack of technique/experience at CB more than a physical limitation. Back peddle needs work also. Good size at 6-0, 201 with good arm length. Moving around from CB to Safety probably limited his development at either. Obviously missing 2014 was a big limitation as well. Overall I think he can be a decent CB with the size to matchup with bigger receivers but might be even better as a Safety.

Steven Nelson
Scrappy high energy player. Will not shy away from contact with good effort in run defense. Good quickness. Maybe some tightness in back peddle transition / hip-turn. Lack of length/size is the biggest issue. He is solid at 197 but at 5-10 with short arms he is limited. He reminds me of Scandrick but his frame is probably smaller than Scandrick and he does not have that kind of deep speed. Punt Returner.

Jalen Collins
Definitely a notch below the top 4 in athletic ability. A little stiff in transition. Good size with solid build. Needs work on technique.

Ronald Darby
Gives good effort to fight through blocks and play run defense. Is fast in straight line but appears stiff in transition/change of direction (the dreaded "tight hips". Rarely plays from a back peddle. Almost always turns to run (hip turn) from his first step. Got burned a few times when receivers took advantage of his hip positioning. He would have his hip to the inside and the receiver cut to the outside and Darby would just twist up like a pretzel and completely lose the receiver. Will need work against contested jump ball type throws.

D'Joun Smith
Seems to get his hands on a lot of balls to knock them down or get the Int. Speed looks good enough. Is better than some other at playing the ball in the air and is good getting his head turned. Stop start quickness is not that good. Limited height and arm length at 5-10, 187.

Craig Mager
Really good player. Very physical. Solid build at 5-11, 201. Good speed and quickness. Good back peddle and good transition/hip-turn. Good stop/start quickness. Good playing the ball in the air and getting head turned. Good anticipation in run/pass. Aggressive run defender and really fights through blocks. Offenses did get him to bite on the run and then beat him with a throw because of his aggressive run defense mentality. Short arms. Punt returner.

JaCorey Shepherd
Very good back-peddle/transition/hip-turn. Good speed and quickness. Good stop/start. Gets his hands on the ball often. Solid built at 5-11, 199. Limited arm length. Good awareness. Decent effort in run defense but not overly physical.
 

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So how would you rank them?

Or is that the order that you rank them?
 

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I actually kinda hope we don't go CB early just because I like the value in the draft later. Mager, Shepherd, Shaw, and D'Juon Smith are all really good players that could help us. They aren't the big physical freaks that will go high, but they all have good feet/hips to mirror WR's and all play the ball well in the air.
 

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.Ronald Darby
Gives good effort to fight through blocks and play run defense. Is fast in straight line but appears stiff in transition/change of direction (the dreaded "tight hips". Rarely plays from a back peddle. Almost always turns to run (hip turn) from his first step. Got burned a few times when receivers took advantage of his hip positioning. He would have his hip to the inside and the receiver cut to the outside and Darby would just twist up like a pretzel and completely lose the receiver. Will need work against contested jump ball type throws.

The bold portion is why I don't get all the love for Darby on this forum. He doesn't seem to be able to play out of a backpedal and essentially has to guess a direction to turn his hips at the beginning of the play. He'll get eaten alive by option routes.

RE: Marcus Peters - I think he can play man or zone, but his aggressiveness gets the better of him at times. He gets a good jump on the ball when he's in zone, but he jumps early at times. Sometimes tries to break on balls that aren't even thrown to him.

After leaning in Peters' direction for much of the run up to the draft, I'm starting to think KJ will be the better corner. I'm just concerned about his build... Wish he had 10 or 15 more pounds on him.
 

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I actually kinda hope we don't go CB early just because I like the value in the draft later. Mager, Shepherd, Shaw, and D'Juon Smith are all really good players that could help us. They aren't the big physical freaks that will go high, but they all have good feet/hips to mirror WR's and all play the ball well in the air.

What is your take on Nelson?

PJ Williams as a FS?
 

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KJ has stick legs,I an really worried about that.
IMO KJ has a good chance to be the best player on this list. He is plenty physical too, even though he is thin as you mentioned.

I think it won't be a problem though (although I could be wrong, of course).
 

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If you ask me out of this group who I'd want sticking ODB for the next half decade, my answer would be Kevin Johnson.

He looks to be the most NFL ready out of all the prospects. I'm worried about his lack of bulk, but he gives full effort in run support.

And for all the love Byron Jones has been getting for his freakish measurables, KJ's SPARQ score was off the charts as well.
 

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The bold portion is why I don't get all the love for Darby on this forum. He doesn't seem to be able to play out of a backpedal and essentially has to guess a direction to turn his hips at the beginning of the play. He'll get eaten alive by option routes.

RE: Marcus Peters - I think he can play man or zone, but his aggressiveness gets the better of him at times. He gets a good jump on the ball when he's in zone, but he jumps early at times. Sometimes tries to break on balls that aren't even thrown to him.

After leaning in Peters' direction for much of the run up to the draft, I'm starting to think KJ will be the better corner. I'm just concerned about his build... Wish he had 10 or 15 more pounds on him.

It's hard to know how much is physical and how much is just lack of technique development, but either way Darby has issues.

In regards to Peters, playing zone is mostly mental and I'm skeptical about his mental makeup. He like he might be too impatient to be good in zone.

My favorite for 27 is Jones. I think he will be better against the big WRs than KJ and he is a high character guy which can't be said about Peters.
 

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So how would you rank them?

Or is that the order that you rank them?

It is not an exact ranking. For example, Mager would probably be higher but I'm not sure exactly where. It depends on if I'm ranking them for the current ability or for their upside.

The top 5 are definitely my top 5, but maybe not in the exact order.
 

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What is your take on Nelson?

PJ Williams as a FS?

Nelson's size and ability to tackle at the next level kinda scares me. He tends to back peddle away from ball carriers and give up a ton of extra yardage.

And I see no reason why PJ couldn't stick at CB
 

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Nelson's size and ability to tackle at the next level kinda scares me. He tends to back peddle away from ball carriers and give up a ton of extra yardage.

And I see no reason why PJ couldn't stick at CB

Thanks man.

I like Nelson's attitude and his approach to the game a lot. I just can't get around some of his limitations though.

I also think Williams can stay at CB but I think he might be a good FS as well. I think he'll be drafted later than he should be because there are a lot of corners this year and because of his DUI issues.
 

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Mager and shepherd are both gonna some gm look like xxx a genius.be interesting to see mager get reps at fs aswell tho.plus he is a st beast
 

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Mager and shepherd are both gonna some gm look like xxx a genius.be interesting to see mager get reps at fs aswell tho.plus he is a st beast

Two of my favorites in the later rounds. Marshall's Daryl Roberts and Okla's Julian Wilson are two others.
 

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Totally agree on Sheperd nice, Jalen Collins I like much more than most and would put him in my top five just watch his hands but only if his off field issues can be contained.
Leaving out Ifo Ekpre Olomu because of the ACL I understand but he had first rd talent before the injury and would be a great late rd pickup.
Ifo Ekpre-Olomu
 

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Totally agree on Sheperd nice, Jalen Collins I like much more than most and would put him in my top five just watch his hands but only if his off field issues can be contained.
Leaving out Ifo Ekpre Olomu because of the ACL I understand but he had first rd talent before the injury and would be a great late rd pickup.
Ifo Ekpre-Olomu

This guy explains the issues with Collins better than I can.
 
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