Change of Scheme in Secondary

[big dog cowboy]

lets hope the reason GB torched us was simply lack of speed and not crappy scheme.

This GB quarterback?

Career highlights and awards
Super Bowl champion (XLV)
Super Bowl MVP (XLV)
2× NFL Most Valuable Player (2011, 2014)
6× Pro Bowl (2009, 2011, 2012, 2014–2016)
2× First-team All-Pro (2011, 2014)
Second-team All-Pro (2012)
Associated Press Athlete of the Year (2011)
Bert Bell Award (2011)
NFL passing touchdowns leader (2016)
NFL records
104.1 passer rating, career
122.5 passer rating, season (2011)
4.13-1 touchdown-to-interception ratio, career
297-1 touchdown-to-pick six ratio, career
3,807 consecutive pass attempts, no pick-six

 

[lqmac1]

In a man defense, your safeties need to be very versatile. They have to bump and adjust in coverage in response to motion and different formations. They end up on the line and have to play the run more and in man coverage vs tight ends.

In a cover 2 based zone defense, this comes from primarily your Sam, will, and your corners. Your safeties end up in space a lot of the time over the top of the receivers(hopefully).

My question is this.... With Byron Jones having the athleticism that he does, would moving him to corner be a better fit for him?


He would be a fine st safety, but I'm thinking he might be a better corner than safety in a zone scheme.

If Byron had like five interceptions this past year, we would be considering him a top three safety in the league. It's crazy what interceptions do to a reputation.

 

[Nightman]

right on....... that is why I said second half sleeper

we only pay 1/2 a salary and get him for the playoff run

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I guess my point is this. I'd rather have him as the underneath safety in cover 3. Any athlete can play out in space as the high safety. You kindof take away his versatility by putting him as the free safety.

I kinda don't understand this post. "Any athlete" can not play in space. It takes an Athlete who can get to either side of the deepest part of the field, or come up and make a play on the ball. I think it's much easier to play in the box then single high.

 

[OldCoach]

I kinda don't understand this post. "Any athlete" can not play in space. It takes an Athlete who can get to either side of the deepest part of the field, or come up and make a play on the ball. I think it's much easier to play in the box then single high.

It's true a less athletic guy can play closer to the line. My point is that with his skill set he would have more of an impact rolled up closer to the line.

Darren Woodson is a prime example of this. He played closer to the line. If a safety is playing high he is normally going to play the pass first and have to read run. If he isn't playing high he has a key to read and reacts.

Anybody that has good measurables and ball skills can play high. I think Jones Talent is better used if he is not out in space all the time. He can do that true. He has more of an impact in a different position.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

It's true a less athletic guy can play closer to the line. My point is that with his skill set he would have more of an impact rolled up closer to the line.

Darren Woodson is a prime example of this. He played closer to the line. If a safety is playing high he is normally going to play the pass first and have to read run. If he isn't playing high he has a key to read and reacts.

Anybody that has good measurables and ball skills can play high. I think Jones Talent is better used if he is not out in space all the time. He can do that true. He has more of an impact in a different position.

Game is different now and the truth of the matter is that you see much more passing. If the league were geared more towards the run, like it used to be, I might agree. I don't think I do, right now, today, though. If you are going to play single high, it is imperative that you have somebody who can track that ball to the deep corner and come up and make a play. JMO

 

[CowboyRoy]

In a man defense, your safeties need to be very versatile. They have to bump and adjust in coverage in response to motion and different formations. They end up on the line and have to play the run more and in man coverage vs tight ends.

In a cover 2 based zone defense, this comes from primarily your Sam, will, and your corners. Your safeties end up in space a lot of the time over the top of the receivers(hopefully).

My question is this.... With Byron Jones having the athleticism that he does, would moving him to corner be a better fit for him?


He would be a fine st safety, but I'm thinking he might be a better corner than safety in a zone scheme.

I cant say for sure, but I am going to assume that they evaluated him and didnt think he could be a great corner. But may have the potential to be a great safety.

 

[Redball Express]

In a man defense, your safeties need to be very versatile. They have to bump and adjust in coverage in response to motion and different formations. They end up on the line and have to play the run more and in man coverage vs tight ends.

In a cover 2 based zone defense, this comes from primarily your Sam, will, and your corners. Your safeties end up in space a lot of the time over the top of the receivers(hopefully).

My question is this.... With Byron Jones having the athleticism that he does, would moving him to corner be a better fit for him?


He would be a fine st safety, but I'm thinking he might be a better corner than safety in a zone scheme.

Yep..agree.

I sort of would like to see him at CB in pre-season just to see how he can cover.

But I'm guessing one of our 2 first picks is DL and then safety.

Peppers would be my pick if he's there in the 1st rd.

He's got pop.

And returns punts and can even play offense.

Salivating.

 

[Common Sense]

I guess my point is this. I'd rather have him as the underneath safety in cover 3. Any athlete can play out in space as the high safety. You kindof take away his versatility by putting him as the free safety.

It sounds like that is one possible direction the team is leaning in. Two things that have been mentioned over and over is that they want their safeties to be interchangeable, and I think Broaddus may have said that Jones allows them to draft their choice(s) of FS, SS, and CB.

That tells me they see Jones as a Swiss army knife type player who can work anywhere in the secondary. If they find a single-high safety they like in the draft, I can see Jones moving closer to the line of scrimmage, whether that's as a more coverage-oriented SS or slot corner, or some hybrid of the two.

Here's an even bolder prediction -- what if the draft falls to where no good CB prospects make sense at a particular pick, and they take two safeties instead, prompting them to move Byron to CB full-time?

 

[Vintage]

Hybrid S/CB position for Jones.....?

Are we sure we are not just resurrecting the infamous "Star" position that Scandrick was supposed to be all those years ago? We are finally going to unleash this upon the NFL?

 

[big dog cowboy]

Are we sure we are not just resurrecting the infamous "Star" position that Scandrick was supposed to be all those years ago? We are finally going to unleash this upon the NFL?

 

[jobberone]

I'm still waiting for someone in the actual organization to say we are changing coverage scheme...

Why let mere facts get in the way?

 

[jobberone]

As someone said, we play some ST package > 50% of the time.

 

[LatinMind]

In a man defense, your safeties need to be very versatile. They have to bump and adjust in coverage in response to motion and different formations. They end up on the line and have to play the run more and in man coverage vs tight ends.

In a cover 2 based zone defense, this comes from primarily your Sam, will, and your corners. Your safeties end up in space a lot of the time over the top of the receivers(hopefully).

My question is this.... With Byron Jones having the athleticism that he does, would moving him to corner be a better fit for him?


He would be a fine st safety, but I'm thinking he might be a better corner than safety in a zone scheme.

they tried him at corner his rookie yr and he couldnt keep up.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

I really hope that's the case.

It was pretty clear to me last year that our secondary was at it's best in tight, man coverage last year. The Packers were beating the snot out of us until we finally decided to play our DB's more aggressively, then surprise surprise, we mount a comeback and their offense goes cold.

I'm sure you an guess what coverage we were in on that play that killed us. It certainly wasn't tight man.

You do have to remember that most of that secondary is gone now.

Who knows what we have now.

 

[LatinMind]

I think we are best when we switch up the coverages between man and zone. The problem with man for us is we can't make plays on the ball. The problem with zone for us is that we don't get pressure. That's the killer of the play that killed us against the Packers...no pressure. That and Rodgers made an outrageous throw.




YR

Dallas allowed close to or a little more than 160 total yrds to the packers from the 11minute mark in the 2nd quarter til the end of the game. In this time Dallas got 3 sacks it was from the blitz tho. And that outrageous throw i will add shouldve never held up. Irving was groped by 2 GB OL on that play with a ref looking right at it.

This play here is why Dallas wasnt playing in the nfc champ game.

 

[gmoney112]

It sounds like that is one possible direction the team is leaning in. Two things that have been mentioned over and over is that they want their safeties to be interchangeable, and I think Broaddus may have said that Jones allows them to draft their choice(s) of FS, SS, and CB.

That tells me they see Jones as a Swiss army knife type player who can work anywhere in the secondary. If they find a single-high safety they like in the draft, I can see Jones moving closer to the line of scrimmage, whether that's as a more coverage-oriented SS or slot corner, or some hybrid of the two.

Here's an even bolder prediction -- what if the draft falls to where no good CB prospects make sense at a particular pick, and they take two safeties instead, prompting them to move Byron to CB full-time?

They want their safeties interchangeable because it makes your defense less predictable which is one of the best ways to cause hesitation in this league. Presnap you aren't sure who's dropping back to cover the back end. That gives you a significant advantage because it's one more thing they have to watch.

I think Byron can play either SS or FS. He's not the most physical tackler but I'd rather have cover safeties than skull crushers nowadays. It's just a different game.

That's why i don't think a guy like Josh Jones is out of the question either. Both safeties named Jones, that'd be funny.

 

[OUCowboy]

Dallas allowed close to or a little more than 160 total yrds to the packers from the 11minute mark in the 2nd quarter til the end of the game. In this time Dallas got 3 sacks it was from the blitz tho. And that outrageous throw i will add shouldve never held up. Irving was groped by 2 GB OL on that play with a ref looking right at it.

This play here is why Dallas wasnt playing in the nfc champ game.

Groped? I'd say it was more like a tackle. Looks like they were about to take him all the way to the ground.

 

[Alexander]

Hybrid S/CB position for Jones.....?

Are we sure we are not just resurrecting the infamous "Star" position that Scandrick was supposed to be all those years ago? We are finally going to unleash this upon the NFL?

I remember how that was supposed to unleash fury the rest of the NFL couldn't handle.