Changing of the guard at QB - NFL

[Nors]

In the post Elway, Marino, Aikman era. Favre is on last legs, Gannon at end of Rope.

Tom Brady has stepped up, Carr starting to look the part, Harrington? Roth looked good. Pennington ready to kick it up? Kitna needs to be named starter again. Simms, Eli Manning, Rivers, Losman, Schaub on stand bye. Its time for a new cycle at QB.

Who emerges the best QB of this decade forward?

 

[Mamba]

Tom Brady ....enough said....

 

[Hostile]

In the post Elway, Marino, Aikman era. Favre is on last legs, Gannon at end of Rope.

Tom Brady has stepped up, Carr starting to look the part, Harrington? Roth looked good. Pennington ready to kick it up? Kitna needs to be named starter again. Simms, Eli Manning, Rivers, Losman, Schaub on stand bye. Its time for a new cycle at QB.

Who emerges the best QB of this decade forward?

Gannon doesn't deserve to be mentioned with those names.

Henson, Brady, Eli, Peyton, Carson, Byron, Pennington, Culpepper, McNabb, Carr, and Vick are potentially the class of this decade or so of football.

 

[Nors]

Tom Brady ....enough said....

I was the Staunchest Bledsoe supporter having been to many, many Pats games in his era here. I even felt he deserved to start SB after winning Steeler afc Champ game. This Brady kid is truly something. He just gets it done. Its Montana like. The snow game against Raiders was majestic. What he did was beyond his years. He has a chance to go down as one of the greats because he belongs in that "greats" clubhouse.

Two pelts on the wall at what 26? Two game winning 4th quarter SB drives? Sleeper is Schaub - I can see him gettin traded by Falcons (See Favre) and doing the same somewhere else. Carr has a great coach, talented WR/RB and a 3-4 defense behind him - I Look for him to explode onto scene.

 

[Nors]

Gannon doesn't deserve to be mentioned with those names.

Henson, Eli, Peyton, Carson, Byron, Pennington, Culpepper, and Vick are potentially the class of this decade or so of football.

Carson Palmer doesn't deserve in that mention either. He's taken a rising team to .250 win percentage - TERRIBLE move - Dillon locally laughed that Palmer was named starter. He said Kittna was so far better it was laughable they did that. W/L - proving him out.

Culpepper is JANP - What 6-7 seasons in and nothing special. Peyton is there - but almost older QB today.

Drew has a ways to go but I hope you are right. Sweet too if Romo is on that list.

 

[Hostile]

Carson Palmer doesn't deserve in that mention either. He's taken a rising team to .250 win percentage - TERRIBLE move - Dillon locally laughed that Palmer was named starter. He said Kittna was so far better it was laughable they did that. W/L - proving him out.

Culpepper is JANP - What 6-7 seasons in and nothing special. Peyton is there - but almost older QB today.

Drew has a ways to go but I hope you are right. Sweet too if Romo is on that list.

You can't exclude Carson yet. He hasn't had time to prove anything.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Carson Palmer doesn't deserve in that mention either. He's taken a rising team to .250 win percentage - TERRIBLE move - Dillon locally laughed that Palmer was named starter. He said Kittna was so far better it was laughable they did that. W/L - proving him out.

Culpepper is JANP - What 6-7 seasons in and nothing special. Peyton is there - but almost older QB today.

Drew has a ways to go but I hope you are right. Sweet too if Romo is on that list.

Palmer is the real deal. Kitna is not talent wise, in the same universe.

Of course he is gonna have growing pains, and they won't be winning much this year, but if you've watched him throw, he is an awesome talent.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

You can't exclude Carson yet. He hasn't had time to prove anything.

Cincy played the Jets opening day. The Jets won, but Palmer blew me away.

 

[Kangaroo]

If Tampa gets smart and starts him now they just dropped to 0-4 and Clayton is lokking good should become a good combo simms-clayton

 

[LaTunaNostra]

The Favres and McNairs are past their primes, even tho Steve is fresh off a co- MVP.
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Of the mid to late 20's guys, McNabb, Manning, Pennington, Culpepper, Brady will be NFL stars for quite a while yet.

Vick, Palmer, Manning II, Henson, Carr, Lefty will be around for the next decade, barring injury. Maybe Rivers and Roethlisberger, possibly Losman, become close to elite. Grossman could end up a Kilmer type.

I don't think Harrington will stay with that class above.

Of the old warhorses, of Gannon, Garcia, Brunnel, Warner (not as old but as beat up), I think we got best of them this year with Vinnie.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

You mentioned four great QBs in a 15+ year period... So I think we've got too many names going here. There might not be any more than Brady and Manning currently playing. (I do think McNair is close, though.)

On that next tier, maybe Culpepper? Maybe Vick, if -- IF -- he puts everything together. I doubt that happens, though.

Of course, we're all forgetting Henson.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

You mentioned four great QBs in a 15+ year period... So I think we've got too many names going here. There might not be any more than Brady and Manning currently playing. (I do think McNair is close, though.)

On that next tier, maybe Culpepper? Maybe Vick, if -- IF -- he puts everything together. I doubt that happens, though.

Of course, we're all forgetting Henson.

There are only two QBs I've seen play in the last 25 years I consider "great".

Marino and Montana. I don't think Elway was "great".

Favre falls short, and so does Manning.

"System QB" Brady, with his intangibles and two rings already, might make it. Doubt it tho. He lacks the raw talent of a Marino, and I doubt he ever gets as far as Montana skills, no matter how many rings he piles up.

But all of the QBs above are either top tier QBs, or seem to have the potential to be, and some are true franchise QBs.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Carson Palmer doesn't deserve in that mention either. He's taken a rising team to .250 win percentage - TERRIBLE move - Dillon locally laughed that Palmer was named starter. He said Kittna was so far better it was laughable they did that. W/L - proving him out.

Culpepper is JANP - What 6-7 seasons in and nothing special. Peyton is there - but almost older QB today.

Drew has a ways to go but I hope you are right. Sweet too if Romo is on that list.

Ok so Patriot Dillon, sour with Cincy, laughed at the move.

This isn't about record, Nors, in a rookie year, to boot.

But about talent.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

If Tampa gets smart and starts him now they just dropped to 0-4 and Clayton is lokking good should become a good combo simms-clayton

I wasn't that impressed with him in college, and haven't seen him play enough for Gruden yet to have an opinion.

I saw that Clayton TD today. Nice.

Also nice is Gruden going 0-4. Keyshawn must be lovin it.

 

[trickblue]

There are only two QBs I've seen play in the last 25 years I consider "great".

Marino and Montana. I don't think Elway was "great".

Favre falls short, and so does Manning.

"System QB" Brady, with his intangibles and two rings already, might make it. Doubt it tho. He lacks the raw talent of a Marino, and I doubt he ever gets as far as Montana skills, no matter how many rings he piles up.

But all of the QBs above are either top tier QBs, or seem to have the potential to be, and some are true franchise QBs.

Montana was a system QB as well LTN...

and no love for Aikman? at least a deragatory mention?

 

[Hostile]

You mentioned four great QBs in a 15+ year period... So I think we've got too many names going here. There might not be any more than Brady and Manning currently playing. (I do think McNair is close, though.)

On that next tier, maybe Culpepper? Maybe Vick, if -- IF -- he puts everything together. I doubt that happens, though.

Of course, we're all forgetting Henson.

Who's forgetting him? 1st name on my list.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Montana was a system QB as well LTN...

and no love for Aikman? at least a deragatory mention?

I didn't put Namath in there either, TB, tho I have never seen a release like his.

Just two who merit "great" in my book, and yes, one personified the cold calculating cerebral systems QB while the other was the purest passer we shall probably ever see.

Aikman was, imo, vastly under-rated as a QB, actually his rep suffering because of who he played with..and his accuracy was phenomenal. A true franchise QB in every sense of the word. So was Staubach, the epitome of the field general.

But "greatness" is a word I keep semantically true to.

I didn't like Marino or Montana or their teams, but I think I know what I had the good fortune to watch.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Correction, all but Hos...

And I agree with Herms on the three QBs. Marino and Montana were a notch above Elway IMO.

 

[DCowboysGal]

The Favres and McNairs are past their primes, even tho Steve is fresh off a co- MVP.
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Of the mid to late 20's guys, McNabb, Manning, Pennington, Culpepper, Brady will be NFL stars for quite a while yet.

Vick, Palmer, Manning II, Henson, Carr, Lefty will be around for the next decade, barring injury. Maybe Rivers and Roethlisberger, possibly Losman, become close to elite. Grossman could end up a Kilmer type.

I don't think Harrington will stay with that class above.

Of the old warhorses, of Gannon, Garcia, Brunnel, Warner (not as old but as beat up), I think we got best of them this year with Vinnie.

I think Byron Leftwich really has the tools to become an elite quarterback. He's known for having one of the strongest arms in the league, but this year he has also shown a nice touch on short passes. Last year, he often overthrew receivers on timing routes as he was overly concerned with and easily distracted by what was going in the periphery of his vision, especially where the pass rush was coming from. Being anxious about getting hit led him to being eager to get the ball off as soon as possible. That resulted in him often short-arming the ball or throwing from the stretch, ie. taking a short quick stride toward the target which can result in a higher release point which can then result in putting more loft under the ball, whereas taking a long stride results in a lower release point as you end up lower after you've put down your front foot. Anyways, it's taxing enough on a young QB's brain and nerves having to keep track of where all his and the other team's players are simultaneously. This year, he seems to have learned to trust in his OL and other blockers that they'll provide him with a quiet limbo zone in which he'll be distraction-free for at least few seconds and he can just focus on where his receivers and running backs are and where the holes in the coverage downfield are.

I thought that against the Colts Leftwich did a really nice job of spreading the ball around to different receivers (granted the Colts' secondary and defense overall is terrible) as 8 different guys caught at least one pass. Last year, he seemed to key on Jimmy Smith to the point of forcing passes to him in tough coverage.

 

[trickblue]

I didn't put Namath in there either, TB, tho I have never seen a release like his.

Just two who merit "great" in my book, and yes, one personified the cold calculating cerebral systems QB while the other was the purest passer we shall probably ever see.

Aikman was, imo, vastly under-rated as a QB, actually his rep suffering because of who he played with..and his accuracy was phenomenal. A true franchise QB in every sense of the word. So was Staubach, the epitome of the field general.

But "greatness" is a word I keep semantically true to.

I didn't like Marino or Montana or their teams, but I think I know what I had the good fortune to watch.

Well... I respect your opine... but I could throw a few more names up there for mention...

I will keep Marino in there... for stats sake alone... but you can make cases for many others... Bradshaw... Staubach (you mentioned)... Fouts... Unitas...

Like you... I would keep it a short list... but you should reconsider Aikman... winningest QB in history within a decade...

That being said... I would take Staubach over Aikman any day as the choice QB of the Cowboys... not discounting Troy... but Roger was special...