Charean Williams on Charles Harris FWIW

[stilltheguru88]

http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2017/...illiams-solomon-thomas-caleb-brantley-tj-watt

Big Losers
Charles Harris, DE, Missouri

Pass rushers who made the Pro Bowl had an RAS over 5.00 more than three times as often than those who had a score of below average. If that wasn’t glaring enough, 22 of the 41 pro bowlers who qualified for RAS, more than half, had an RAS in the elite 8.00-10.00 range. That’s twice as many (nine) as had a score below 5.00. Only three Pro Bowl DE had a RAS lower than Charles Harris. Two of them were 3-4 DE (who often measure much better as DT) while the third was Michael Bennett, who went undrafted. Having a poor RAS isn’t going to torpedo a player’s chances of getting drafted highly or becoming great, but it’s going to make the former less likely and the latter more difficult.

Yea I may have been wrong about him BUT I still think he'd be good on a 3-4 team. If he's going to be as undersized as he is he needed to show much more explosion like Derek Rivers did.

 

[ThreeandOut]

Its kind of hard gauging how interested Dallas is in Harris. This is not the first time it has been mentioned that Dallas really likes Harris. On the other hand, I don't think they've gone out of their way to meet with him to this point. It will be interesting to see whether he is one of the 30 visitors. He doesn't really meet the SPARQ measurables of other DE's they've like recently but neither did D Law. The combine seemed to be a mixed bag as the workout numbers were mediocre but he was impressive in the drills. Overall, it doesn't appear that the combine hurt his draft stock.

 

[Gaede]

I like Harris. Seems about the quality we'll get at 28.

 

[bodi]

from the combine

Sources Tell Us "Don't get caught up in his numbers this year. He just didn't mesh with what they asked him to do. He's also got to be coachable and I think he may have fought the changes a little too much. What I saw in 2015 is what I think he's going to be." NFC North regional scout

NFL Comparison Connor Barwin

Bottom Line High-cut pass rusher with good athleticism but concerns regarding his ability to drop anchor against the run. Ironically, Harris might be best suited as a penetrator which is something he fought against this season. His hands can be improved as pass rush weapons, but he has agility and footwork that can't be taught. Harris can play on the edge in a 4-3 or 3-4 front and should be the next in a line of early contributing defensive ends coming out of Missouri.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Barf.

 

[reddyuta]

from the combine

Sources Tell Us "Don't get caught up in his numbers this year. He just didn't mesh with what they asked him to do. He's also got to be coachable and I think he may have fought the changes a little too much. What I saw in 2015 is what I think he's going to be." NFC North regional scout

NFL Comparison Connor Barwin

Bottom Line High-cut pass rusher with good athleticism but concerns regarding his ability to drop anchor against the run. Ironically, Harris might be best suited as a penetrator which is something he fought against this season. His hands can be improved as pass rush weapons, but he has agility and footwork that can't be taught. Harris can play on the edge in a 4-3 or 3-4 front and should be the next in a line of early contributing defensive ends coming out of Missouri.

agree with this and this is why his combine numbers were so shocking.He doesnt look like a 7.47 3cone player at all.

 

[RS12]

I like Harris. Seems about the quality we'll get at 28.

Exactly why I am against forcing their biggest need with the pick.

 

[InDakWeTrust]

I'm a big Harris fan, and what I see him on tape does not match his rules at the combine. Now, you'd think someone like him would blow up the 3 cone and 10 yard split times.

He shows more on tape than Barnett and Willis. Barnett faced SEC LT's and got more hurries and sacks with his motor. Willis got them lined up on RT's, and not Big 10 or SEC guys either. Harris showed me the explosion and a few counter moves in just two games that I watched.

 

[tm1119]

I'm a big Harris fan, and what I see him on tape does not match his rules at the combine. Now, you'd think someone like him would blow up the 3 cone and 10 yard split times.

He shows more on tape than Barnett and Willis. Barnett faced SEC LT's and got more hurries and sacks with his motor. Willis got them lined up on RT's, and not Big 10 or SEC guys either. Harris showed me the explosion and a few counter moves in just two games that I watched.

You need to get your eyes checked my friend

 

[John813]

We like Sparq guys, but he didn't score well there(more than likely lol).
But his college tape is good. So, just comes down to how much they value tape vs measurables.

Is he going to run/test at a Pro-day?

 

[TheBigEasy]

After seeing his RAS, and now his SPARQ scores, no thank you. Every year, these numbers become more and more accurate as the database grows. Wasn't a fan of analytics when they 'came out of the closet' but the numbers don't lie and I've slowly become a big fan & believer it the process.

We like Sparq guys, but he didn't score well there(more than likely lol).
But his college tape is good. So, just comes down to how much they value tape vs measurables.

Is he going to run/test at a Pro-day?

Got you brah! LOL

 

[InDakWeTrust]

You need to get your eyes checked my friend

I see zero explosion or bend from Barnett. Barnett is much much better at stacking and ahedding, but I see a lot of Barnett pressures on bull rushes or power moves. His motor gets him home, Harris' moves and explosion is obvious on tape.

 

[tm1119]

I see zero explosion or bend from Barnett. Barnett is much much better at stacking and ahedding, but I see a lot of Barnett pressures on bull rushes or power moves. His motor gets him home, Harris' moves and explosion is obvious on tape.

I was joking the 1st time...but seriously, you need to get your eyes checked if you don't see bend in Barnett's game. He can bend better than most in this draft class. Harris definitely appears to have a better initial get off, but that's about it. He flashed a nice spin move a handful of times but his pass rush repertoire is far from great.

If you're looking for a flashy and "twitchy" player I guess I can see why you'd like Harris over Barnett. Barnett's overall game is light years ahead of Harris' though.

 

[Chuck 54]

Come draft time, everyone is hush hush, but in the senior bowl and other post-season practices and games, along with the combine and interviews, I don't think it's surprising that beat reporters who are there all the time hear coaches gushing about certain players. They aren't just showing up at pressers.

 

[phildadon86]

http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2017/...illiams-solomon-thomas-caleb-brantley-tj-watt

Big Losers
Charles Harris, DE, Missouri

Pass rushers who made the Pro Bowl had an RAS over 5.00 more than three times as often than those who had a score of below average. If that wasn’t glaring enough, 22 of the 41 pro bowlers who qualified for RAS, more than half, had an RAS in the elite 8.00-10.00 range. That’s twice as many (nine) as had a score below 5.00. Only three Pro Bowl DE had a RAS lower than Charles Harris. Two of them were 3-4 DE (who often measure much better as DT) while the third was Michael Bennett, who went undrafted. Having a poor RAS isn’t going to torpedo a player’s chances of getting drafted highly or becoming great, but it’s going to make the former less likely and the latter more difficult.

But what is his SPARQ score?

 

[Leadbelly]

We've seen the draft board leak three times in the last 7 years. We don't really rate these tweener guys like Charles Harris highly. A lot of high profile prospects don't even get on our draft board. We talked with Spence and ultimately didn't put him on our board. Everyone meets with everyone. Small and short armed with middling athleticism is not a good combo. Definitely not happening in RD1.

I don't get the Barwin comparison at all. Barwin was a combine star and is a much more angular, sudden player. He ran sub 4.6 and then sub 4.5 at his pro day. Ran sub 6.9 cone. Had a 40" vert. If anything Harris is closer to Brandon Graham.

 

[tyke1doe]

As a Cowboys fan you'd have to hope she's guessing. No reporter, even the hometown beat, should know what we're thinking.

I'm calling it. Smokescreen.

 

[jterrell]

I doubt she does. The majority of mock drafts have Harris to Dallas.

she absolutely has dallas cowboys sources and rarely spills anything.
now whether this is of any real sourced data is up for debate but her contacts.
she's a long-time hall of fame voter who the team keeps in very close contact with.