Chargers game review

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I watched the game originally in real time with a few rewinds. Then I re-watched it with the sound off and many rewinds per snap to in order to focus on different players. Then I re-watched it again to focus specifically on Weems.

I want to touch base on the broadcast and specifically Babe Laufenberg. He says things about players with such confidence that I find myself believing him; however, when I review the play, it often turns out that what he is saying is completely off base. I realize it is difficult to make an instantaneous analysis in real time, but he was way off even on plays where he was probably able to see the replay. Just be certain to judge players for yourself and don’t let Babe establish the narrative.

Weems:
I’ll start with Weems. The backup OT position has been my biggest concern and I was anxious to see Weems in a game. After initially watching the game in real time I was disappointed with his performance; however, after multiple reviews of each of his snaps he did better than I thought initially.

I grade OL on a simple method of pass, fail or undetermined for each snaps.

Weems grade:
Fail 2
Undetermined 3 (2 pass, 1 run)
Penalty 1

The Chargers stunted and blitzed often. Both fails came when he overset to the outside and was beaten to the inside. There were a couple of stunts where I couldn’t determine fault. I think on both that Collins didn’t handle them quite right and it prevented Weems from getting a good block.

There was 1 run play where he didn’t sustain his block long enough and the defender got back to the inside for the tackle. He was generally good in the running game and showed reasonable power to push defenders. He was particularly good on the TD run.

Overall, considering that he has not played a game in 2 years, I thought he showed decent potential to get better as the preseason goes forward. He needs a lot of reps in games. I’m sure the film from this game will be helpful to him also. He appears to have the required physical ability with good quickness and decent power. I would really prefer to see him practice and play only at RT until he has proven himself. Having to practice and play both sides just seems like it will slow down his development. They could have Free move to LT if something happened to Tyron and just have Weems focus on RT, but I doubt if that happens.

Collins:
He showed that he obviously has the physical ability to eventually become a top player. I have no doubt about his physical ability to play OG and I think he has plenty of quickness to play RT also. The good/dominant plays were obvious but he did have a number of plays that were not that good. He understands and recognizes stunts and blitzes fairly well for a rookie but his timing was often off when passing off between himself and Weems. It would obviously help both he and Weems if they were playing next to experienced veterans and not each other. His timing was just a little off on some runs plays also. He just needs a lot of reps. Despite the hype by some, as of right this minute he is not ready to overtake Leary as the LG. Maybe he will work out all of his issues by the end of the preseason, but I doubt he surpasses Leary by game 1. Hopefully, they move him to OT for some practice reps there. They need some competition for Weems and Wetzel/Dill are not it.

Wetzel
I didn’t focus on the right side too much, but I did watch him to some extent. He played OT, then OG then back to OT. It seemed to be better with him at OT and Dill at OG than vise versa; although, neither option was a good one.

He reminds me of Doug Free when he first came to the Cowboys. Wetzel is actually probably more developed than Free was in his 2nd preseason. If they want to keep him around for 4 years of training like they did with Free, then he might develop into a serviceable backup but I don’t see him ever becoming a quality starter.

Dill:
He is just not a good player. He is neither quick nor strong. He does appear to understand his assignments which is what they want in a bottom of the 90 man roster type player.

Gus Johnson:
They didn’t ask these RBs to do much other than run the ball. I did see him get out to pick up a Blitzer once which was good. For a guy that has only been on the team for a couple of weeks he does appear to understand his assignments and looks comfortable on the field. He is not fast but looked fast enough to me. Overall he did as well as could possibly be expected of a guy that was on his sofa just a couple of weeks ago.

Seastrunk:
They only asked him to run the ball. He is obviously quick. If running the ball were the only requirement of a RB, he would likely make a 53 man roster somewhere; however, we know from multiple practice reports that he has significant problems learning and remembering his assignments. They even used Clutts at RB a couple of times probably just because they wanted somebody that understood the assignments on those specific plays.

QBs:
They all did better than I expected. Weeden lost the shotgun snap and Vaughan had a botched snap. Showers is a good athlete and looks calm and poised. Vaughan did OK but he does not look calm and poised to me. They can all throw the ball OK. I don’t see a point of keeping more than 1 backup on the 53. Any team could have signed Showers and didn’t so I feel confident that he could be retained on the practice squad. I doubt if Vaughan has done anything to get other teams to dump the guys they’ve been developing to sign him.

WRs:
Williams was excellent. Street looked really good receiving and also is a good blocker in the running game which will likely cause him to get snaps in the regular season. We all know what Beasley can do. Lucky Whitehead looks quick and fast. He looked faster on the field than Reggie Dunn despite the fact that Dunn once ran a 4.22 forty. Whitehead obviously can’t have any more fumbles as a return this preseason if he want to get that job; although, he does not seem to have much competition. None of the other WRs did much.

Escobar showed what he has shown in the past which is that he is a really good receiver. He would likely be a good starter if he was on many other teams. His blocking looks better than last year but is doubtful to ever be really good.

Hanna continued to do what he did last year. He knows the scheme inside/out and can play the Y, H-back and F-back positions. He is a core special teams player.

Swaim looked good. He had some good blocks and some really nice catches. He even motioned to the FB position and had a good block from there. It is a good sign that he already knows the scheme well enough for them to be moving him around.

Hardy:
He is big, quick and powerful. He will be a force at both DE and DT.

Gregory:
He is super quick and much stronger than he looks. He might have been out of position on some run plays but I’m not certain.

Mincey:
Same as last year.

Lawrence:
Held up well on the strong side.

Russell:
He looks like a legit NFL player. He is much stronger than I expected. He should be OK at either the 3tech or Strong Side DE positions.

Gardner:
He flashed a time or two, but I was expecting a little more. He was OK considering that he has not played a game in about 18 months. I have Russell above him on the depth chart as of right now.

T. Crawford:
Potential Star player. He can do it all. He is very strong and very quick and uses good technique.

J. Crawford:
He looks like a legit backup 3tech that plays within the scheme.

Coleman:
Physically talented player. He flashed several times but he also appeared to get out of position or fail to use proper technique at times. He tried to jump around a double-team which made it easy for the RB to just go to the other side of those blockers. He also put his head down at times and lost track of the runner. He might have the the primary culprit on a couple of big runs but also held the point to allow Wilson to make the tackle in the backfield.

Bishop:
You really have to consider how Marinelli coaches his 1tech DTs. Last year Bishop could put his head down and show really good power. In this game he was not trying to just power through defenders, but was doing what I’m sure they have coached him to do which was to stay square to the line and keep his head up. In Marinelli’s scheme, taking a step or two back is OK as long as he stays square and keeps his head up. For such a thickly built guy, he has really good quickness and was able to get some pressure as a pass rusher. He also got out to the flats on plays away from him which is a big issue for Marinelli. I need a Gif to explain this concept. I think Bishop could replace Hayden and be at least as good and would continue to get better with more playing time.

Jones:
Looked really good for a rookie in his 1st game. The WR had an obvious push off on that 1st completion against him.

White:
Looked terrific. I’ve been anxious to see him in Marinelli’s scheme. I had reviewed him in several of his games with the Saints and I was shocked that they cut him. He had some really good games there. IMO, his issues in NO were probably due to Rob Ryan’s whacky scheme. He would not be the 1st DB that had issues in that scheme but played better in other schemes.

Patmon:
I saw he had tight coverage once; otherwise I didn’t notice him.

Wilcox/Church:
Had to judge them in a preseason game.

Heath:
I’ve seen dozens of posts exclaiming that he was terrible. My conclusion is that those posters were all basing it on the 1 TD play. Yes, he should have done better on that play, but he at least erred on the side of forcing the RB back inside. The coaching point on that play would be “whatever you do, don’t let him get to the outside”. The LB Brinkley was right there once Heath forced the RB back inside but whiffed on the tackle. People love to have whipping boy and many can’t let go the 2013 when Heath as a small college rookie was forced to start.

Hitchens:
Looked good as expected.

Wilson:
Looked really good for a rookie. He appears to be comfortable in the scheme and is quick and agile with decent speed. He appeared to be playing WLB and some Nickel LB.

Brinkley:
He did not look good on several plays.

Wilber:
He appeared to play a lot of snaps at SLB. I didn’t focus on his performance.

Gachkar:
He was out of position on some plays but looked good on some other plays.

Incredible work here, sir. I may respond once I get through all of it, but wanted to make sure I get that in before I did anything else.
 

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Thanks X....I'm feeling better about Weems and White at this point for sure. Question for you guys: Wouldn't it be smart to groom Collins as the swing tackle? We know he can play guard already. I'm nervous about Free's age and injury history. Weems looks OK but I'd rather have Collins in there if need be for obvious reasons.

Personally, I would definitely have Collins practice at OT. If they are concerned about him moving from left to right was has been implied by multiple reporters, then just let him practice as the backup LT until he shows that he can play OT. I would prefer to have Weems just practice/play at RT anyway.

Even if Collins were able to beat out Leary, which I don't think will happen, it would not really be an upgrade for 2015. He might be better at some things (athleticism) than Leary but as a rookie he is not going to be as good in other areas (blitz pickup, stunts, awareness) as Leary; however, at OT he has the potential to be a better backup than Weems and even has a chance to push Free as a starter depending on how difficult it is for him to adapt to playing on the right side.

As of right now, the only competition for Weems is Wetzel who is just not ready, IMO. I don't see Chaz Green returning this year. He might be healthy enough to return, but after missing this much of TC already it would be difficult for him as a rookie to win the backup job.
 

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Personally, I would definitely have Collins practice at OT. If they are concerned about him moving from left to right was has been implied by multiple reporters, then just let him practice as the backup LT until he shows that he can play OT. I would prefer to have Weems just practice/play at RT anyway.

This
 

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X this is one of the better write ups this training camp
thanks

Btw, yes, thank you for taking the time to watch and give your opinion.

Incredible work here, sir. I may respond once I get through all of it, but wanted to make sure I get that in before I did anything else.

Thanks for the feedback. I hope to get into more detail on some of the defensive players next time, especially Russell.
 

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Darrion Weems was put in a very tough spot last Thursday night.

Not only had Weems not played in a game since pre-season 2013, he spent the entire off-season at RT while Doug Free was rehabbing from ankle surgery.

It isn't easy switching sides on the offensive line, there are plenty of players who struggle trying to do it and many never get the hang of it.

Weems has the talent to play in the NFL, he wouldn't have managed to hang on this long if that weren't the case.

He just needs to play the game and learn from being out on the field.

It really is a big deal from one side to the other
Total opposite footwork
When in HS I played DB on the right side, was never able to play as well on the left side. It is really hard to teach yourself to do something well, then turn around and do it the opposite way
Hope Weems gets it down because we may very well need it
 

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Personally, I would definitely have Collins practice at OT. If they are concerned about him moving from left to right was has been implied by multiple reporters, then just let him practice as the backup LT until he shows that he can play OT. I would prefer to have Weems just practice/play at RT anyway.

Even if Collins were able to beat out Leary, which I don't think will happen, it would not really be an upgrade for 2015. He might be better at some things (athleticism) than Leary but as a rookie he is not going to be as good in other areas (blitz pickup, stunts, awareness) as Leary; however, at OT he has the potential to be a better backup than Weems and even has a chance to push Free as a starter depending on how difficult it is for him to adapt to playing on the right side.

As of right now, the only competition for Weems is Wetzel who is just not ready, IMO. I don't see Chaz Green returning this year. He might be healthy enough to return, but after missing this much of TC already it would be difficult for him as a rookie to win the backup job.



Right on. My thoughts exactly.
 

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Sadly, there were some years where they tried to start players that were not even as good as Dill (Rob Petitti).

Lucky had some bad luck on that fumble. It was more about the defender doing a good job of stripping it than a problem with the way he was carrying it.

Lucky was in a bad position
I think his skill set is fine for a return guy
Next step is developing as a reciever
Returns in college not much different than the pros but the reciever spot is very different
Love to see that speed at the WR spot some
 

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Pretty much agree with everything here. On a 2nd/3rd view, if you just focus on Weems he wasn't THAT bad. I think the fact that Dill played so poorly and Weems had a number of very noticeable F-ups, made the reaction to Weems' performance that much more visceral.

I think we've got a player in Davon Coleman. On the Gregory sack, if you watch it from behind the QB, Coleman actually split the double team and was held pretty bad from behind, or else he would have had the sack.
 

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Collins:
He showed that he obviously has the physical ability to eventually become a top player. I have no doubt about his physical ability to play OG and I think he has plenty of quickness to play RT also. The good/dominant plays were obvious but he did have a number of plays that were not that good. He understands and recognizes stunts and blitzes fairly well for a rookie but his timing was often off when passing off between himself and Weems. It would obviously help both he and Weems if they were playing next to experienced veterans and not each other. His timing was just a little off on some runs plays also. He just needs a lot of reps. Despite the hype by some, as of right this minute he is not ready to overtake Leary as the LG. Maybe he will work out all of his issues by the end of the preseason, but I doubt he surpasses Leary by game 1. Hopefully, they move him to OT for some practice reps there. They need some competition for Weems and Wetzel/Dill are not it.

Good observation here. I GIF'd one of Collins' blocks and I think that may have sent the wrong message to people. He is very raw as a guard, but his power, length and athleticism allow him to get away with it. You are right, he needs a lot of reps, but you can see why he was rated so highly by people, including me, in the draft. Your point about Collins needing to play next to experienced veterans makes me wonder how fast he would progress if he was inserted into the starting lineup next to Smith and Frederick.
 

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Good job and thanks, X.

How do you see the linebackers at present?
 

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Great stuff, always look forward to see your take on games. I like how you dispel some of the memes about certain players (Weems, Heath in this case)... many of us are basing our full evaluations of players on maybe 1 or 2 poor plays from that player, without regard for the circumstances and accounting for their other plays (myself included). Personally I don't have much of an opinion of Heath as I don't pay much attention to him, but I did feel like he got a raw deal from fans during that 2013 season where he was in a situation he never should have been in.

I personally thought that Vaughan looked OK as far as poise and comfortability in the pocket, but that he needed to do a better job of finding the open guy and not staring down his primary target.

I have to admit that I'm rooting for Vaughan to improve because of his prototypical NFL size and arm, but if by the end of preseason he doesn't show much improvement from last season, it may be time to move on.

cowboy qb's (aside from tony) dont ever get better, they tend to regress or stay the same.
 

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cowboys only scored 7 points, only 2 other teams did worse with 3 points each, the jets and rams.

The defense however allowed 17, and 21 other teams scored more than17 and only 7 other teams allowed less than 17 so the defense
did good.
Overall it may be meaningless though.
 

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Good question. It occurred to me later that I omitted him. I thought he was better than Gardner. He looked decent as both a pass rusher and run defender. I think he could be a decent 4th DE on a team but will have a hard time making this team even if they keep 5.

I'm reading that they're considering him in terms of being a DT now as well. Broaddus agrees with you about looking better than Gardner lately. I believe he commented on just that a few days ago.
 

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Good job and thanks, X.

How do you see the linebackers at present?

For game 1:
WLB Lee
MLB Hitchens
SLB Wilber
Top Backup Wilson
Suspended RoMc


Brinkley did not look good.

Gachkar just OK. He needs to be better.
 

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For game 1:
WLB Lee
MLB Hitchens
SLB Wilber
Top Backup Wilson
Suspended RoMc


Brinkley did not look good.

Gachkar just OK. He needs to be better.

I liked Wilson showing up and with hustle.

The prediction of starters, may be a little lite on pass defense. That could prove to be a little awkward in game one against the Giants. If the secondary stands tall, the defense should still be solid. Think?
 

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I liked Wilson showing up and with hustle.

The prediction of starters, may be a little lite on pass defense. That could prove to be a little awkward in game one against the Giants. If the secondary stands tall, the defense should still be solid. Think?

Lee and Hitchens are probably the best pass defending LBs on the team. Even if RoMc was playing, Hitchens would likely replace him in the Nickel defense.

The SLB will be replaced by a DB about 66% of he snaps.
 
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