Chargers Take Stance on Merriman

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Smith takes firm stance on Merriman
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July 17, 2005

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A.J. Smith is fixin' for a fight he may not even get into. Nonetheless, he's doing some verbal shadow boxing, protecting himself at all times – although there's no real reason for protection. Just yet.

The Chargers' general manager isn't afraid to let everyone know his position before he enters the negotiating ring with top draft pick Shawne Merriman and his agent, Kevin Poston. And that's firm. Smith isn't budging.

Rookies report to training camp July 26, but negotiations with Merriman & Co. haven't begun, nor will they until players drafted around the former Maryland defensive end/linebacker have signed. And things are crawling.

"Nothing is going to happen until the posturing takes place," Smith says. "I have no idea what they want."

Poston and his brother/partner, Carl, have been known to be mean infighters – Kevin held Merriman out of minicamp on an injury-language issue – so everyone west of Istanbul expects fisticuffs.

The Chargers aren't known for signing their first picks early anyway (although Luis Castillo, their later first-round choice, isn't expected to hassle), and last year Philip Rivers' agent, Jimmy Sexton, discovered Smith isn't an easy mark. The long camp holdout cost Sexton's quarterback any chance to compete with Drew Brees for the starting job – perhaps forever.

Plus, Merriman went 12th overall, not second or third. It's called "slotting" in NFL negotiations. When Dallas signs its 11th overall selection, the Chargers will give Poston a figure, although he may wait if New Orleans hasn't signed the 13th choice. Hence the "slot."

"It's going to be a good contract, but I'm sure he'll wait for Dallas and New Orleans and then go from there," Smith says. "I think what we will offer will be good enough. The problem is not ours. We're bigger than they are.

"I don't know what the climate is out there. I really mean that. Each draft is different. I hope it happens quickly, but agents are afraid to make a bad deal. They don't want to be first in, because if it's a bad deal, they're going to get fired."

Smith already isn't overly pleased with Merriman missing minicamps and summer school. Poston was concerned that, without a change in the team's injury-liability language, Merriman might not get his monetary due if he were to damage himself on Chargers time.

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Franchise history shows it has paid injured draft choices before they signed, but Poston held firm. So did Smith, refusing a language change, and Merriman has been working out on his own. Can't say how smart that is. If he injures himself away from the club, he'll get nowhere near the money he would have received had he done it on the Chargers' watch.

"He will be given a good contract by the Chargers," Smith says, "and if he rejects it and misses the first day of camp, it's only going to get worse. They don't have leverage – not with this organization. Call Jimmy Sexton and ask him and you'll find out. He played games, and everything blew up in his face. He got the double whammy."

And Sexton had to figure he was dealing from a position of strength. After Brees had a poor 2003 season, the Chargers drafted Rivers with the obvious intention of awarding the rookie the starting job – if he proved worthy. Rivers had no chance after the long holdout, and Brees responded with a Pro Bowl season.

When Smith says Poston and Merriman don't have leverage, he has a point. Smith drafted Merriman because he wanted a pass rusher, but the team went 12-4 last year without him. It's a need, but he's not desperate.

"My philosophy is like this," Smith explains. "If you have a free agent at that position or, say, a seventh-round draft choice, then I'd search every day to get somebody. But, in this case, it's not going to help that person holding it over you.

"And nothing is going to change. Maybe I'm still too new and that philosophy hasn't gotten around. Sexton thought we would be crippled without Philip Rivers. He made a terrible mistake. And, to me, this isn't even a bluff. I don't play the bluff game.

"If Shawne Merriman isn't there on Day One, I'll spell it out to you guys and tell you exactly what's going on. Then don't ask me about it again until Shawne Merriman becomes a Charger. And I'll tell coach (Marty) Schottenheimer the same thing: 'Talk about the players who are here.' "

For someone not expecting a fight, Smith sounds like a guy expecting one.

"I don't know what Poston thinks about the Chargers," he says, bringing up Merriman's absence this spring. "If that was a ploy to see how we are, they got the message. It could be smooth as silk and both sides could be happy, although some people say I'm crazy to say that.

"Nobody's telling me the story. Because I know how it ends."

These are the Chargers, remember. Merriman may still be home in September.

"We're looking for a pass rusher," Smith says. "We'll find somebody; we'll find somebody who wants to be a Charger. They only have you if you let them. You're either a part of us, or you're not. The team is bigger than a player – and certainly a lot bigger than the agent."

Smith has drawn an imaginary line in imaginary sand. But he has fired a warning shot.
 

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Qwickdraw said:
Choosing Ware looks sweeter and sweeter every day.
No kidding. I actually liked Merriman. This stuff since the Draft is nonsense.
 

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Hostile said:
No kidding. I actually liked Merriman. This stuff since the Draft is nonsense.

I liked Merriman a lot... I was raving about him back in February... makes me glad I'm not the coach
 

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Choosing Ware looks sweeter and sweeter every day.

Yep. Don't know if Parcells knew something the rest of us didn't, relied on great instincts or was just plain lucky. In any case, he made a great decision.
 

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Hostile said:
"Nothing is going to happen until the posturing takes place," Smith says. "I have no idea what they want."
Obviously it looks like we did the right thing on draft day. Time will only tell. But when the GM says stupid things like he did I just don't believe it. He knows much more than he is leading on.
 

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Yep. Don't know if Parcells knew something the rest of us didn't, relied on great instincts or was just plain lucky. In any case, he made a great decision.
I have a suspicion that Jerrah and Bill set a PI on Merriman and maybe the other guys at the top of their board and caught Merriman talking to the Postons. That could be why they changed to Ware over Merriman when it looked like they would go with Merriman early on. It would make sense to me to hire a PI firm to check out potential multimillion dollar investments; that is essentially what these kids are to the organization after all. I don't know that there is any league rule against it and it makes good business sense to me.
 

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JackMagist said:
I have a suspicion that Jerrah and Bill set a PI on Merriman and maybe the other guys at the top of their board and caught Merriman talking to the Postons. That could be why they changed to Ware over Merriman when it looked like they would go with Merriman early on. It would make sense to me to hire a PI firm to check out potential multimillion dollar investments; that is essentially what these kids are to the organization after all. I don't know that there is any league rule against it and it makes good business sense to me.

That would not surprise me one bit.

I am not sure about the gumshoe thing, but there is no question that something spooked us and 10 to 1, it was the Postons.

But the "thugs and hoodlums" thing could also have sealed the deal. Merriman had an assault in his history as well.
 

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Since Merriman pulled the ole bait and switch, I have lost a lot of respect for him. Its like taking the bad with the good. If he wanted hard ***'s like the Postons up front, then he should of just hired them in the 1st place.

As everyone knows, he didn't do that because he would have been drafted and "slotted" lower in the draft. I don't blame the SD GM here at all, the were sold one thing, agent wise...and ended up with another.
 

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JackMagist said:
I have a suspicion that Jerrah and Bill set a PI on Merriman and maybe the other guys at the top of their board and caught Merriman talking to the Postons. That could be why they changed to Ware over Merriman when it looked like they would go with Merriman early on. It would make sense to me to hire a PI firm to check out potential multimillion dollar investments; that is essentially what these kids are to the organization after all. I don't know that there is any league rule against it and it makes good business sense to me.
I know I would if I were in their shoes. For just about every pick I was considering. Imagine the days leading up to the draft if he was hitting strip clubs or other questionable places in Parcells mind while Ware was studying for finals. Not saying that happened but it would certainly tilt the scales if I were a decsion maker.
 

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On this one I'm going to have to go with Merriman. The Chargers have a history of not signing 1st rounders for whatever the reason whether it is the Poston's acting as an agent or Jimmy Sexton. Last season it was Philip Rivers, before that it was Quentin Jammer now SURPRISE the Chargers are at it again. Merriman may have character issues that kept Coach Parcells and Mr. Jones away on draft day but these rookie contracts are relatively easy to complete because it is based on a sliding scale from the previous draft at the same position. Dallas normally doesn't have issues with it's 1st rounders because Jerry and Stephen don't play games like the Chargers organization. Guess that explains why our franchise has 5 trophies and 8 Super Bowl appearances and the Chargers have nothing but Dan Fouts and Kellen Winslow to speak of.
 

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On this one I'm going to have to go with Merriman. The Chargers have a history of not signing 1st rounders for whatever the reason whether it is the Poston's acting as an agent or Jimmy Sexton. Last season it was Philip Rivers, before that it was Quentin Jammer now SURPRISE the Chargers are at it again. Merriman may have character issues that kept Coach Parcells and Mr. Jones away on draft day but these rookie contracts are relatively easy to complete because it is based on a sliding scale from the previous draft at the same position. Dallas normally doesn't have issues with it's 1st rounders because Jerry and Stephen don't play games like the Chargers organization. Guess that explains why our franchise has 5 trophies and 8 Super Bowl appearances and the Chargers have nothing but Dan Fouts and Kellen Winslow to speak of.

Merriman:

- Is best friends with Lavar Arrington. Not a stretch to think they share similar attitudes. Arrington is an overrated fool who thinks too highly of himself.
- Went ape-s**t when the Cowboys took Ware. ***?
- Switched agents once he was drafted. This speaks most to me about his character.
- Held out on the Charger mini-camps. I'll side with him on this one. What are the Chargers trying to pull with that camp contract language?

All in all we are seeing a microcosm of what his career off the field might be like right now.

At this point, I'm very glad we took DeMarcus Ware, but nothing has actually happened on the field yet, and that's what matters most.
 

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Hostile said:
No kidding. I actually liked Merriman. This stuff since the Draft is nonsense.

what a guy this Merriman turned out to be... he fires his agent after the draft wasn't it, hires the dreaded Postons, and he turns into a malcontent... Totally different person than the guy Dallas had on their radar screen.
 

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I have met and watched Shawne Merriman play football and basketball since he was at Frederick Douglass High School in MD.

Based on his personality, I immediately thought he was the Cowboys smokescreen like Steve Jackson was the year before. Whilst he was compared to Willie McGinest type player, the comparison stop there. His character while not a thug isn't the type I thought would be endearing to Parcells.

Wow Jimmy Sexton...isn't he also Parcells agent. While it seemed like a good call to hold Rivers out of camp, it really back fired in his face. I don't know if it affect the contract Rivers got, but it affected him where it matter the most........on the field.

I doubt the mediots and some fans will give Sexton the same flak they gave the Postons for some of their miscues. :cool:
 

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Charles said:
His character while not a thug isn't the type I thought would be endearing to Parcells.

Care to elaborate?

What exactly is the type of character is appealing to Coach Parcells?

From what I saw of him leading up to the draft, his character is almost a carbon copy of his idol's.

Dallas probably did not draft Merriman because they got a whiff he might be represented by your favorite agent duo.

Isn't limiting what teams might be interested in your client because of your reputation not hurting your client?

Do you think the Rams will deal with a Poston client after the way they handled the Orlando Pace situation? And how is Ty Law feeling these days, holding out for healthy starter money he probably won't get?

You may have a point that people dump on the Postons because it is easy, but they made it that way.
 

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Charles said:
I have met and watched Shawne Merriman play football and basketball since he was at Frederick Douglass High School in MD.

Based on his personality, I immediately thought he was the Cowboys smokescreen like Steve Jackson was the year before. Whilst he was compared to Willie McGinest type player, the comparison stop there. His character while not a thug isn't the type I thought would be endearing to Parcells.

Wow Jimmy Sexton...isn't he also Parcells agent. While it seemed like a good call to hold Rivers out of camp, it really back fired in his face. I don't know if it affect the contract Rivers got, but it affected him where it matter the most........on the field.

I doubt the mediots and some fans will give Sexton the same flak they gave the Postons for some of their miscues. :cool:
Good info on meeting Merriman.

No, Sexton will not get the same flack as the Postons and Drew Rosenhaus. Why should he? Every Agent holds clients out, but not all of them create unease with front offices. Yeah the media stirs it up to include the fans, but teams wanting to avoid players because of their agents is a problem.
 

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ravidubey said:
Merriman:

- Is best friends with Lavar Arrington. Not a stretch to think they share similar attitudes. Arrington is an overrated fool who thinks too highly of himself.
- Went ape-s**t when the Cowboys took Ware. ***?
- Switched agents once he was drafted. This speaks most to me about his character.
- Held out on the Charger mini-camps. I'll side with him on this one. What are the Chargers trying to pull with that camp contract language?

All in all we are seeing a microcosm of what his career off the field might be like right now.

At this point, I'm very glad we took DeMarcus Ware, but nothing has actually happened on the field yet, and that's what matters most.

Don't get me wrong, I am 100% behind drafting Ware over Merriman. In Parcells we trust.

In reference to what is transpiring between Merriman and the Chargers I favor the players stance. As I stated Rivers and his agent, Jammer and his agent and Merriman and his agent can't all be wrong. The Chargers are the true issue in this case IMO not the agent or player. The Chargers have a habit of doing this with their recent 1st rounders, they play hardball in order to save nominal amounts of money while costing their franchise a season of development of a highly touted prospect. The front office is cheap, Seau, Wiley and Rodney Harrison said the same when they left town.
 

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Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Rivers want 1st pick money even though he was drafted 4th. I thought that was the major holdup last year and if that is the case I would definately side with the Chargers. I will side with the Chargers on this one too at this point because in most cases it is the Postons who are asking for too much and I would think the Chargers would be fine to slot him between the other two picks.
 

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slick325 said:
Don't get me wrong, I am 100% behind drafting Ware over Merriman. In Parcells we trust.

In reference to what is transpiring between Merriman and the Chargers I favor the players stance. As I stated Rivers and his agent, Jammer and his agent and Merriman and his agent can't all be wrong. The Chargers are the true issue in this case IMO not the agent or player. The Chargers have a habit of doing this with their recent 1st rounders, they play hardball in order to save nominal amounts of money while costing their franchise a season of development of a highly touted prospect. The front office is cheap, Seau, Wiley and Rodney Harrison said the same when they left town.

Aren't these guys multi-millionaires? Were they not multi-millionaires when they played for/left San Diego? Define "cheap" fellas.
 

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San Diego has problems signing just about every one of their 1st round picks. They like to lowball. Throw in the Postons and it could get real ugly.
 
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