Chaz Green was given help

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I don't want to defend Garrett or any of the coaches, but I also don't want to defend the players.

Defense: The defense played their hearts out in the first half. Anyone who says differently is full of it. They ran to the ball; they hit like crazy, and they allowed a very potent offense 1 td and a 50 yard FG. Heath was blowing guys up, and even the receptions were great catches well defended. Without Lee in the second half and the offense clearly not going to do its part, they seemed to fade and lose that edge in a huge way.

Offense: Linehan is the playcaller and orchestrator of the offense; we also have an OL coach.
Green was given help on many plays, but not all plays. After he got beaten early, he had Morris or Smith on his side on several plays. Sometimes they rolled Cooper to help him and Cooper was taking the inside away, but Green was still slow to get outside despite having inside help; that's just crazy. There is no way in hell, Linehan, Garrett or the OL coach could have predicted that the same Chaz Green who filled in admirably last year at LT without help would suddenly look like a slowfooted OG playing LT for the first time.

I'm sure, even after the first 3 sacks, they probably still figured he'd shore it up. The reason they had to get him out of the game is because you cannot give a guy help on every single play, especially when the RT and the guys up the middle are getting beaten as well, and you hope your back will pick up a blitz as well.

Yes, we all agree it was ridiculous, and coaches are to be held responsible, but it's not like we were throwing a guy we brought in off the streets to the wolves. This was a guy we all thought was a high performing LT when healthy, so naturally, you keep thinking he's going to figure it out and cut the DE off. And after you roll Cooper to him in case the DE goes inside with a power move, you certainly expect Green to at least be able to jump outside in time to force the guy inside. There's literally no explanation for it.
 

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I don't want to defend Garrett or any of the coaches, but I also don't want to defend the players.

Defense: The defense played their hearts out in the first half. Anyone who says differently is full of it. They ran to the ball; they hit like crazy, and they allowed a very potent offense 1 td and a 50 yard FG. Heath was blowing guys up, and even the receptions were great catches well defended. Without Lee in the second half and the offense clearly not going to do its part, they seemed to fade and lose that edge in a huge way.

Offense: Linehan is the playcaller and orchestrator of the offense; we also have have an OL coach.
Green was given help on many plays, but not all plays. After he got early, he had both Morris and Smith on his side on several plays. Sometimes they rolled Cooper to help him and Cooper was taking the inside away, but Green was still slow to get outside despite having inside help; that's just crazy. There is no way in hell, Linehan, Garrett or the OL coach could have predicted that the same Chaz Green who filled in admirably last year at LT without help would suddenly look like a slowfooted OG playing LT for the first time.

I'm sure, even after the first 3 sacks, they probably still figured he'd shore it up. The reason they had to get him out of the game is because you cannot give a guy help on every single play, especially when the RT and the guys up the middle are getting beaten as well, and you hope your back will pick up a blitz as well.

Yes, we all agree it was ridiculous, and coaches are to be held responsible, but it's not like we were throwing a guy we brought in off the streets to the wolves. This was a guy we all thought was a high performing LT when healthy, so naturally, you keep thinking he's going to figure it out and cut the DE off. And after you roll Cooper to him in case the DE goes inside with a power move, you certainly expect Green to at least be able to jump outside in time to force the guy inside. There's literally no explanation for it.

Heath was blowing guys up????? ahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahaaha!!!!!!! :lmao2::lmao::laugh:
 

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I don't want to defend Garrett or any of the coaches, but I also don't want to defend the players.

Defense: The defense played their hearts out in the first half. Anyone who says differently is full of it. They ran to the ball; they hit like crazy, and they allowed a very potent offense 1 td and a 50 yard FG. Heath was blowing guys up, and even the receptions were great catches well defended. Without Lee in the second half and the offense clearly not going to do its part, they seemed to fade and lose that edge in a huge way.

Offense: Linehan is the playcaller and orchestrator of the offense; we also have an OL coach.
Green was given help on many plays, but not all plays. After he got beaten early, he had Morris or Smith on his side on several plays. Sometimes they rolled Cooper to help him and Cooper was taking the inside away, but Green was still slow to get outside despite having inside help; that's just crazy. There is no way in hell, Linehan, Garrett or the OL coach could have predicted that the same Chaz Green who filled in admirably last year at LT without help would suddenly look like a slowfooted OG playing LT for the first time.

I'm sure, even after the first 3 sacks, they probably still figured he'd shore it up. The reason they had to get him out of the game is because you cannot give a guy help on every single play, especially when the RT and the guys up the middle are getting beaten as well, and you hope your back will pick up a blitz as well.

Yes, we all agree it was ridiculous, and coaches are to be held responsible, but it's not like we were throwing a guy we brought in off the streets to the wolves. This was a guy we all thought was a high performing LT when healthy, so naturally, you keep thinking he's going to figure it out and cut the DE off. And after you roll Cooper to him in case the DE goes inside with a power move, you certainly expect Green to at least be able to jump outside in time to force the guy inside. There's literally no explanation for it.

Why shouldnt the head coach know what I knew 2 years ago? That Chaz Green is a joke.
 

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Just wrong. All you have to do is look at the plays where he was sacked...no help. Inside help is one thing but they should have had witten lined up on the left and when they didn't...the back should have been on the left of Dak. It is just horrible coaching and yes, you can help every play and they should have.
 

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Just wrong. All you have to do is look at the plays where he was sacked...no help. Inside help is one thing but they should have had witten lined up on the left and when they didn't...the back should have been on the left of Dak. It is just horrible coaching and yes, you can help every play and they should have.

And to open up the 2nd half we FINALLY started running Morris. We run all the way down the field. Morris taking out 10 yards a clip. And then what does Garrett the moron do? Gets pass happy again and tries to throw the ball. Green give up a sack and the drive is over with. Now Im not going to pretend that Garrett calls all the plays. But if I am the head coach I make damn sure that we continue to run the ball down their throats.
 

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The first three plays of the game should have told the coaches all they needed to know. A simple speed rush went past Green without him even touching the DE. He clearly need serious outside speed rush help, right from the start, to at least get his bearings. And they didn't offer it until far too late. Simple stuff really.
 

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Smith hasn't been practicing most of the year so this kid's got to be getting some reps at left tackle and surely they saw how slowly he moved.


You know the kids going to start and yet you don't test him a couple times and practice with your best pass rusher?
 

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Ah look, another poster who thinks it makes him look smart to contradict the consensus of the board after a loss.
 

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In the span of one season he completely forgot how to move his feet.

I'd be looking to draft or sign another Tackle this off-season. Defense and back up tackle.
It does not look like a stellar year for the OTs in the draft. Once you get past the first two rounds, slim pickings the way it is shaping up right now.

Free agency is even more depressing:
 

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If Chaz Green did get help, somebody should've told him he had help.
During the post game interview, he was asked if he was given help and his response was "not that I know of".
 
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