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[Chocolate Lab]

Galloway has Archer, Clarence Hill, and Bryan Broaddus on, and they're all talking about the team, Jerry, etc... Good stuff, and it won't be podcasted, so check it out. Broaddus in particular has good stuff from the Parcells days (and before).

 

[jobberone]

Link please for those outside the area?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Sorry...

http://sports.espn.go.com/stations/player?station=dallas

 

[dcfanatic]

Galloway has Archer, Clarence Hill, and Bryan Broaddus on, and they're all talking about the team, Jerry, etc... Good stuff, and it won't be podcasted, so check it out. Broaddus in particular has good stuff from the Parcells days (and before).

I just caught the last hour of it.

It was pretty good.

I just recorded the last segment about Romo.

 

[theebs]

well this sucks, I would have liked to have heard that. I like archer and broaddus.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

I guess I missed it too, I hope someone can recap it for us..........

 

[Chocolate Lab]

All I got earlier were that

RG and Mosley think it's very suspicious that Rosenhaus wouldn't talk about TO. Mosley said he's talked to Drew many times and he never did the "no comment" routine. They wonder if it could mean anything about TO being cut.

Broaddus seems to think Holmgren is Jerry's man next year (as do I, but he knows way more than I do ).

Broaddus doesn't seem to be a Wade fan, to say the least, although I think part of this is from hanging around Galloway so much. I don't remember all the digs when he first started coming on the show.

Broaddus and Clarence made the point that Finegate as reported in Watkins' story was wrong, because the CBA doesn't even allow the $5k and 12k fines Parcells supposedly gave out. I think the limit was $1500 for being late, maybe a little more for treatment sessions.

BB claimed that fines couldn't even be changed, because they were laid out in a book issued to the players early in the year. He said once they are issued like that, they can't be changed. BB or CH said maybe the part about Wade wanting to raising fines was for penalties, etc. and maybe Jerry saw in the CBA that you couldn't do that to players.

They think most of the rest other than the plane being late was pretty much right, though, because that one part was all the Cowboys denied.

Hill said any coach would suffer from discipline and locker room problems because Jerry "cuts them off at the knees". RG and BB agree, but think it would at least be a little better with a tougher coach. (Keep in mind Randy hates Wade and blames him for everything from the 2008 stock market to the flat tire he had yesterday.)

Let's see, what else...

Hill thinks a lot of players in that room are on TO's side and wonders why RJ doesn't get more scrutiny. He seems to think Romo needs more, too -- seemed to imply that he gets a free pass.

A lot of talk about how desperately Jerry still wants to win "his way" and how he was obsessed with showing people he could do it without Jimmy back in the day. They all say he does want to win, but his way, and that he doesn't want to give up control again like he did with Parcells. (We all knew this.)

I missed the end when they supposedly talked about TO and Romo some more.

 

[theebs]

All I got earlier were that

RG and Mosley think it's very suspicious that Rosenhaus wouldn't talk about TO. Mosley said he's talked to Drew many times and he never did the "no comment" routine. They wonder if it could mean anything about TO being cut.

Broaddus seems to think Holmgren is Jerry's man next year (as do I, but he knows way more than I do ).

Broaddus doesn't seem to be a Wade fan, to say the least, although I think part of this is from hanging around Galloway so much. I don't remember all the digs when he first started coming on the show.

Broaddus and Clarence made the point that Finegate as reported in Watkins' story was wrong, because the CBA doesn't even allow the $5k and 12k fines Parcells supposedly gave out. I think the limit was $1500 for being late, maybe a little more for treatment sessions.

BB claimed that fines couldn't even be changed, because they were laid out in a book issued to the players early in the year. He said once they are issued like that, they can't be changed. BB or CH said maybe the part about Wade wanting to raising fines was for penalties, etc. and maybe Jerry saw in the CBA that you couldn't do that to players.

They think most of the rest other than the plane being late was pretty much right, though, because that one part was all the Cowboys denied.

Hill said any coach would suffer from discipline and locker room problems because Jerry "cuts them off at the knees". RG and BB agree, but think it would at least be a little better with a tougher coach. (Keep in mind Randy hates Wade and blames him for everything from the 2008 stock market to the flat tire he had yesterday.)

Let's see, what else...

Hill thinks a lot of players in that room are on TO's side and wonders why RJ doesn't get more scrutiny. He seems to think Romo needs more, too -- seemed to imply that he gets a free pass.

A lot of talk about how desperately Jerry still wants to win "his way" and how he was obsessed with showing people he could do it without Jimmy back in the day. They all say he does want to win, but his way, and that he doesn't want to give up control again like he did with Parcells. (We all knew this.)

I missed the end when they supposedly talked about TO and Romo some more.

thanks cl.

I think holmgren is the kind of guy that commands everyones attention and he could get through to romo. I just hate that it takes him a while to win...and he can never get the defense right.

I am not a big fan of retreads at this point, but anything is better than the current situation.

and I am not sure how many more people need to give inside stuff to prove jerry is an egomaniac, if he were a wr his last name would be owens, they are the same type of person, that is why jerry is one of the few people who like sanders and owens etc....

I cant wait till they hear about the irvin show. galloway might die of a heart attack.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

thanks for the re-cap, C-lab

alot of it has been talked about on here before

 

[Goldenrichards83]

Thanks Choc

 

[28 Joker]

It looks like Watkins suckered some of us on some details.

It shouldn't be too surprising; he thought he could coach the team.

 

[28 Joker]

Hill is down on Romo, and Archer still believes in him.

Archer thinks the Cowboys can win without Owens, and Hill thinks it will hurt them. He thinks they need him.

Go, Todd Archer. Preach it.

 

[Bach]

Hill said any coach would suffer from discipline and locker room problems because Jerry "cuts them off at the knees".

A lot of talk about how desperately Jerry still wants to win "his way" and how he was obsessed with showing people he could do it without Jimmy back in the day. They all say he does want to win, but his way, and that he doesn't want to give up control again like he did with Parcells. (We all knew this.)
.

This has been obvious for a while now. Some act like he changed for good the day he hired Parcells, but that isn't the case because he changed right back to his old ways the day BP left. Unfortunately it doesn't sound like he'll change back and give up control again, so we're more or less screwed.

 

[dallasfaniac]

Broaddus and Clarence made the point that Finegate as reported in Watkins' story was wrong, because the CBA doesn't even allow the $5k and 12k fines Parcells supposedly gave out. I think the limit was $1500 for being late, maybe a little more for treatment sessions.

Yeah, that's what I had posted the other day. The only place I could find about Parcells handing out more was $9500 in combined fines for Owens and that was all speculation that Parcells refused to talk about.

 

[theebs]

Hill is down on Romo, and Archer still believes in him.

Archer thinks the Cowboys can win without Owens, and Hill thinks it will hurt them. He thinks they need him.

Go, Todd Archer. Preach it.

I dont mean to be a jerk, but From listening to the radio, all 3 sport stations on a regular basis and watching as much local stuff as I can and reading all the columnists, there appears to be umm.. dare I say racial issue.

Maybe I am crazy, but it seems when it comes to the Owens and romo thing there is some underlying racial issue. Every caller seems to always defend the guy who shares the same race as they do and the media is almost the same.

And corby from the ticket, who I know has a source with the cowboys and probably more said there are serious racial tensions in the locker room a couple of weeks ago. It makes sense if the players are anything like the media and the fans.

Maybe I am crazy, and maybe deion and faulk saying basically that a month ago and inferring some people were getting free passes, maybe there is a racial issue.

 

[jobberone]

well this sucks, I would have liked to have heard that. I like archer and broaddus.

No problem. I found it anyway. Didn't realize it was ESPN radio.

I enjoyed the latter part of it but the host seems awful bossy.

 

[dcfanatic]

well this sucks, I would have liked to have heard that. I like archer and broaddus.

Today on Galloway and Company they had a football firing line with Todd Archer, Brian Broadus and Clarence Hill Jr. to talk about the Cowboys.

Pretty good stuff and I got a chance to record some of it...

GAC talks Cowboys

In the beginning Broadus makes the point that when Parcells was here he was in tune and cared about what was going on in the locker room. That's an excellent point because we know Wade is completely out of touch with these players who ran all over the man last year and have no fear of him whatsoever.

And now he's going to get tough with them? Honestly, that's going to be a disaster.

These guys are right about Romo too in a lot of ways. He is losing a lot of fans with his 'it's not the end of the world' speeches.

I think we all know this already. But we also don't want to hear it from the star QB who can do something about the losses.

Then you throw in some stories about him not practicing well and it's only going to get worse as we move forward.

Now here's the big question.

Can Romo be the leader who takes this team to a Super Bowl?

Yes. But he has to step up and take over. We need to see him on the sidelines completely enthralled in what's going on with the game as it unfolds, not sitting over there with his hat on looking like he's waiting on a bus to pick him up. We need to hear that he got in the face of some of these players and told them to shut up when they are barking about how open they were. We need him to find that fire and brimstone that he seemed to have a few short years ago.

Big question #2. Can he be that leader with Terrell Owens in the mix?

At this point I have to say no. There is no way he can be looked at as the 'team leader' with this guy running his mouth about how the offense stinks because he's not catching enough passes after a win.

T.O. has been here three years and I hated him when he came to Dallas. Then I gave him a chance and he won me over.

But as soon as he did that Deion interview I knew he was going to be trouble from there on out. This team had just won a tough game on the road against a division opponent who punched them in the mouth earlier in the season.

That was the absolute worst time for a sit down with Deion because the team was still trying to see if they were really a good team or not. And when you see one of your teammates on TV saying you are not because the offense stinks then you as a player can't possibly head back into the following practices with a whole lot of confidence.

The team never got it together and what we saw from then on was a team struggling to find an identity. I could even go as far as to say that by the end of the season half the team didn't care about their identity and were just happy to get the season over with when they showed up in Philly.

It is what it is.

And right now 'it' stinks.

 

[jobberone]

Hmmm. While I won't minimalize the effect TO is having on the team, I'm not actually certain what it is. And I certainly don't buy the fact that TO saying something on TV with Deion is the reason the team tanked at the end esp Philly.

I believe there are problems with this team. I've heard enough, digested it, and it seems there are some 'concerns'. You want to call it chemistry ok. I believe that is part of it. But I don't buy it as the reason. I do think they are not being held accountable though. You cannot treat a group of people the same as you do an adult peer in an equal relationship. If that's chemistry then ok, too.

This team tackles poorly. It plays STs like they could care less. They appear anergic at times. Too many mistakes and turnovers. People seem out to lunch at times. I could easily mistake all of this for a laissez-faire attitude. It's not all of them all of the time. But enough of them enough of the time. Most of the above is fact and not opinion. Speaking of attitude is an opinion. But the poor play is a fact. Go back and look at the last Philly game where McNabb scrambled and threw a short pass to a WR who took it to the six. Look at the tackling.

 

[RCowboyFan]

I dont mean to be a jerk, but From listening to the radio, all 3 sport stations on a regular basis and watching as much local stuff as I can and reading all the columnists, there appears to be umm.. dare I say racial issue.

Maybe I am crazy, but it seems when it comes to the Owens and romo thing there is some underlying racial issue. Every caller seems to always defend the guy who shares the same race as they do and the media is almost the same.

And corby from the ticket, who I know has a source with the cowboys and probably more said there are serious racial tensions in the locker room a couple of weeks ago. It makes sense if the players are anything like the media and the fans.

Maybe I am crazy, and maybe deion and faulk saying basically that a month ago and inferring some people were getting free passes, maybe there is a racial issue.

No you are not. I got the impression, it has the big time Racial tones to this. Whats his name, Eagles DE, oh, yeah, Hugh Douglas was on with GAC 2-3 hour with Mosley and Brian ( not Broadus), and he seems very certain that Witten was the guy who talked to Werder.

I for the life of me, can't understand why a guy from Philly, who has no inside info thinks that?

Also seems majority of the players side with TO and think he is more of leader or at least cares more about the game than Tony.

Ironic thing is, before the start of season, Irvin said, that Witten is one guy who could talk to both White and Black players and would be the leader. Now that seems to be in shambles. This is just not good anyway you slice it.

Wether TO is gone or not, the damage I think is already done. Romo has lot of picking up to do. And team has lot of mending to do. I am sure Jerry/Wade will blow this out and players will say the right things once season starts, but we will see once the season plays out.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Well, after listening to the part I missed, it sounds like we may be screwed.

Broaddus says Romo shows terrible leadership qualities right now and the players he talks to believe Owens cares more about winning than he does.

Hill hints at the same thing and says Romo believes "he's already won the game of life" with the contract and the celebrity girlfriend and doesn't have the fire he once did.

All agree that his comments after the Eagles loss were unacceptable. I think Broaddus actually called them disgraceful.

Even Galloway, as much as he hates Owens, said Romo has problems with his head right now that are bigger than even getting rid of Owens would solve.

Ugh.

Tony, you better decide real quick what kind of career you want to have.