Chip Kelly (the New Messiah) and the Eagles are Chokers

[irishline]

for 49 straight years, the Eagles have choked, either missing the playoffs entirely, or losing their final game, to never bring home the hardware. The ultimate choke job for 49 years. Next year will be the 50th anniversary, and I look forward to celebrating it!

Their last championship was 1960... making this is their 54th straight year of choking. So you missed the 50th. You can however celebrate the 55th next year. 5 extra years of joy.

 

[Irving Cowboy]

Remember the backlash 2 years ago if someone said Garrett wasn't getting it done after his second straight 8-8 season? I do. I remember people here, especially the author of the OP, telling the minions that 2 years wasn't enough time. I guess different rules for different people.

 

[Screw The Hall]

If your defense can get off the field on 3rd down they are toast. You can beat them other ways but defensive 3rd down success is kryptonite to that team.

 

[Dale]

They have a very good d line and Oline. You can mask a lot of warts with strong play on the LOS and decent skill position players. It's a good scheme and they will be contenders but it's just a bit too finesse for my liking. Not sure if they are built for January football.

I agree there. I'd be shocked if they win a championship with their style of play. Risen Star mentioned how it taxes a defense and all that, and I am in absolute agreement.

I just don't think it's "LOL -- point and laugh!" bad. It's a difficult system to game plan and condition for, especially for a team that might face them only once every two or four years.

To me, they're built to run up the score against bad teams, and lose against the better teams. If you look at their schedule, outside of today's game, that's essentially how their season has gone.

 

[Joe Realist]

Well the chipper will be able to xmas shop tomorrow for his boy friend.

you know, that is the rumor...

 

[dcjules]

Chip Kelly is an offensive genius. He's got play charts and he runs plays quickly.

Chip's team plays with tempo! Forgot that....

 

[ConstantReboot]

I will never understand the philosophy behind the Chip Kelly offense. Success in football comes down to moving the ball and stopping your opponent. If you don't do those things, all you achieve by running plays quickly is carving out more time for the opposition to score.

That system is not a QB friendly system. When you do a hurry up offense you don't get to see the mismatches as the game unfolds. Your so busy doing hurryup and rushing things that you overlook mismatches and advantages. This is why I come to appreciate our offense even more. There is no gimmicks. We will run the ball. If you can't stop it we will run some more. Oh if you load up on the LOS, will pass it. Its that simple and its a proven system that has won us some Superbowls in the past.

 

[black label]

 

[jobberone]

Exactly. It dispels any notion that Sanchez was "screwed" by the Jets and Rex Ryan. He's just not very good.

Even Foles is only a step up. I like what Chip is trying to build, but he needs to stop fooling himself and realize he needs to get a legitimate NFL quarterback on that roster.

Amazing how that odd fact just keeps popping up. You need a legit QB to win consistently in this league including all the supporting hardware.

 

[Dale]

Remember the backlash 2 years ago if someone said Garrett wasn't getting it done after his second straight 8-8 season? I do. I remember people here, especially the author of the OP, telling the minions that 2 years wasn't enough time. I guess different rules for different people.

Every situation is different. Chip still has a playoff appearance under his belt, and Jason doesn't (I obviously think that change in a day). I'm far from thinking Chip is some boy genius, but I think he's doing a quality job in Philly.

But I'd also be in agreement with anyone who said today's Philadelphia loss was worse than any Cowboys December loss during those 8-8 campaigns.

I've always hated the "choker" label because for the most part, we were getting beat by better teams in December. It's been a difficult December schedule year after year, and we just weren't good enough to make the dance. I don't recall a lot of "gimme" games on the December schedule that we dropped.

 

[maxdallasfan]

I don't think Sanchez was the problem. Why do the Eagles keep running McCoy up the middle? Surely Riley Cooper can get open against the Commander defenders. Where was Celek tonight? Ertz, who's he? He wasn't a factor. Even the Buddy Ball tactics were lame.

The Eagles are a team in total collapse, and I don't see how they recover. Kelly's rah rah college offense is not going to transition to the NFL. The defense has some serious issues, and while Sanchez wasn't a bust tonight, he couldn't lead the Eagles to a win. Who is going to be the quarterback next year? Maybe Aikman, huh?

Exactly. And what people seem to forget is that Foles played poorly, but he benefited from 9 ST touchdowns in those victories. Plus, his only legitimate win came against the Colts. Which we all know was gifted to them.

That franchise is in trouble. MCCoy is due big money the next three years, while his dead money if cut is minimal.

Have fun Chippy. That is if you don't bolt back to college now that your sanctions have been forgotten.

 

[VACowboy]

He says TOP doesn't matter. I say he's an idiot.

TOP really doesn't matter if you move the ball, score and prevent the opposition from doing likewise. Kelly's idiocy is his insistence on playing fast-break offense without a quarterback. It would be interesting to see how his offense would fare at a normal pace and his defense would rank if it didn't spend so much time on the field. At some point you have to adjust your schemes to your personnel.

 

[hornitosmonster]

That cesspool of a City doesn't deserve a super bowl trophy.

 

[dogunwo]

Personally, I think his system is idiotic. It taxes your defense and forces you to try to win games with the TOP heavily against you.

He says TOP doesn't matter. I say he's an idiot.

The system works wonderfully against teams they were probably going to beat anyway without the hurry up offense. All the talk about the Dallas strength of schedule the Eagles have beaten one good team, the Colts, and caught Dallas napping on Thanksgiving.

 

[maxdallasfan]

To me, they're built to run up the score against bad teams, and lose against the better teams. If you look at their schedule, outside of today's game, that's essentially how their season has gone.

Just like at Oregon where he won NOTHING

 

[visionary]

9-3 overall. 3-0 in the NFC East. Two games at home where you are 6-0 on the season. The World is your oyster.

Back to back losses at home, a 3rd straight loss to an 8 point underdog.

This is one of the worst choke jobs of all time.

Yep
If the shoe fits.....

 

[VACowboy]

Every situation is different. Chip still has a playoff appearance under his belt, and Jason doesn't (I obviously think that change in a day). I'm far from thinking Chip is some boy genius, but I think he's doing a quality job in Philly.

But I'd also be in agreement with anyone who said today's Philadelphia loss was worse than any Cowboys December loss during those 8-8 campaigns.

I've always hated the "choker" label because for the most part, we were getting beat by better teams in December. It's been a difficult December schedule year after year, and we just weren't good enough to make the dance. I don't recall a lot of "gimme" games on the December schedule that we dropped.

I agree with all the above. And I think Kelly is a good coach. But I also think he got the benefit of a honeymoon last year, and now defensive coordinators are catching up. I think his offensive scheme can work in the NFL if he gets a top notch QB to run it, but if he had a top notch QB I think he could succeed with any offensive scheme. I certainly think he has the player talent.

I said it once already in this thread, but I'll say it again anyway: I think it'd be interesting to see how his team's turnovers and defensive numbers would change if his QB's weren't always rushing to get a play off and his offense protected his defense (and itself) a little bit.

Bottom line: I don't see the benefit of running plays at break-neck speed in the NFL.

 

[casmith07]

9-3 overall. 3-0 in the NFC East. Two games at home where you are 6-0 on the season. The World is your oyster.

Back to back losses at home, a 3rd straight loss to an 8 point underdog.

This is one of the worst choke jobs of all time.

Dude these guys choked harder than a lot of things that I'm not allowed to post on this forum.

 

[mldardy]

He's gotta be loving this.

 

[casmith07]

I agree with all the above. And I think Kelly is a good coach. But I also think he got the benefit of a honeymoon last year, and now defensive coordinators are catching up. I think his offensive scheme can work in the NFL if he gets a top notch QB to run it, but if he had a top notch QB I think he could succeed with any offensive scheme. I certainly think he has the player talent.

I said it once already in this thread, but I'll say it again anyway: I think it'd be interesting to see how his team's turnovers and defensive numbers would change if his QB's weren't always rushing to get a play off and his offense protected his defense (and itself) a little bit.

Bottom line: I don't see the benefit of running plays at break-neck speed in the NFL.

He could still succeed running a similar spread, read-run type of offense, but by controlling the clock and actually exploiting mismatches and more.

He won't, and he'll have a short stint in the league. It's the modern day wildcat. He's a glorified Tony Sparano.