Choice is very good. But we need Barber.

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juckie;2520785 said:
Is barber going to actually play this week?If his toe is dislocated cant they put it back in place?This guy is what we need for passion and hard runs that require power.I must say choice is the real deal,but I think we need the heart of this team back.Hopefully Holland can play.

I don't think Barber is the heart of the team, I think it's Romo and I also think that we're a passing team....I really hate seeing us line up in a 2 TE set and try and pound the ball that's not who we are.
 

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Angus;2520926 said:
Choice is better than Barber. Period. Barber is a great finisher, but not an every down back. He split carries, both in college and in the pros, until this season. Choice carried the load for his college team. Barber can do one thing better than Choice. Choice can do many things better than Barber.

Just my opinion.

and your opinion is a fact in my book. barber is a split time back period. I have been arguing with people about this for 2 years.
 

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im sorry but its funny how soon people forget!!

some folks have the nerve to state that choice is better than barber?

what in the hell is wrong with you guys tell me something choice has done that barber hasnt??

choice isnt stronger, a better blocker, and their speed is about even, and dont even get me started on heart!!!!

barber is hurt but the few plays we ran with him was outside crap which he shouldnt be doing with a bad toe.

choice isnt close to barber as a pass catcher out of the back feild remember the long td off of the screen pass.

and choice wouldnt of made it through that stretch that barber did when we just had brad as the qb.

defenses were keying on barber and he still put up some good all around games on the ground and receiving.

i agree that marion is our heart and soul because in most of the games where we look good on offense is when he's out there catching out of the backfeild and and pounding the defense.

tashard choice is a good change of pace guy and fresh legs but he will not wear a defense down i saw him plenty of time sliding through guys going down on tackles at least with barber if he's getting tackled he's hurting the guy doing it.

barber at 80% is still better than choice just coach him right.

no gimmicks just straight up the gut he can run north and south fine!!

he'll do what he does best and thats make somebody pay!!

mb3 would have kept soo many of those runs alive with his ability to break tackles .

i cant beleive how many people have the nerve to start mention they should split time and all of a sudden next year we can split all 3.

when felix comes back next year all choice will be is insurance.

granted he's playing well but lets not get ahead of ourselves.

because if thats the case lets all say we should start martellus bennett because he has showed in big games (the Commanders game) that he can make the great catches.

maybe he's better than a 75% jason witten??? hell no we want our best players on the field playing.

if barber shows after about 10 carries that he cant do it than im all for it.

but i dont want no rookie rb playing against one of the best blitzing teams of the last 10 years making romo run for his life like he did last week with a simple delayed blitz .

just imagine what jim johnson is thinking?? the kid is pretty solid but he isnt scaring teams and he goes down too easy and even trips over hiself.

i think we're gonna need barber to win this game this week.

if dallas trusted choice as a runner we wouldnt have been passing on 3rd and short and trying options on 3rd and 1 which we never run.

not having barber can stifle us at the goaline and if we are trying to seal the deal at the end of the game barber wears the defenses down and keeps the drive alive.

thats also why we keep running that annoying shotgun draw so often because choice cant get it done purely straight up the gut.

i like the guy and he has done good in barber's place but he's not on barber's planet.

its only 3 backs i'd take over barber and thats AP,tomilson, and maybe a healthy westbrook.( michael turner is playing some great ball too)

but choice isnt even in the same class as the rookies that came in this year with him(felix, macfadden, chris johnson, matt forte, steve slaton)

so lets please stop the madness folks we need barber against these defenses to soften things up across the middle for guys like witten and to soften those pass rushers down.

pitts and balt kept coming and the giants because choice couldnt wear them down.

once ray lewis would have blown through the middle on a blitz and met barber he would have been dancing around with him for the rest of the game to get to romo. not just flying back there like he was.

same for harrison from the steelers and the rest of those guys.
 

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royw3141;2521260 said:
im sorry but its funny how soon people forget!!

some folks have the nerve to state that choice is better than barber?

what in the hell is wrong with you guys tell me something choice has done that barber hasnt??

choice isnt stronger, a better blocker, and their speed is about even, and dont even get me started on heart!!!!

barber is hurt but the few plays we ran with him was outside crap which he shouldnt be doing with a bad toe.

choice isnt close to barber as a pass catcher out of the back feild remember the long td off of the screen pass.

and choice wouldnt of made it through that stretch that barber did when we just had brad as the qb.

defenses were keying on barber and he still put up some good all around games on the ground and receiving.

i agree that marion is our heart and soul because in most of the games where we look good on offense is when he's out there catching out of the backfeild and and pounding the defense.

tashard choice is a good change of pace guy and fresh legs but he will not wear a defense down i saw him plenty of time sliding through guys going down on tackles at least with barber if he's getting tackled he's hurting the guy doing it.

barber at 80% is still better than choice just coach him right.

no gimmicks just straight up the gut he can run north and south fine!!

he'll do what he does best and thats make somebody pay!!

mb3 would have kept soo many of those runs alive with his ability to break tackles .

i cant beleive how many people have the nerve to start mention they should split time and all of a sudden next year we can split all 3.

when felix comes back next year all choice will be is insurance.

granted he's playing well but lets not get ahead of ourselves.

because if thats the case lets all say we should start martellus bennett because he has showed in big games (the Commanders game) that he can make the great catches.

maybe he's better than a 75% jason witten??? hell no we want our best players on the field playing.

if barber shows after about 10 carries that he cant do it than im all for it.

but i dont want no rookie rb playing against one of the best blitzing teams of the last 10 years making romo run for his life like he did last week with a simple delayed blitz .

just imagine what jim johnson is thinking?? the kid is pretty solid but he isnt scaring teams and he goes down too easy and even trips over hiself.

i think we're gonna need barber to win this game this week.

if dallas trusted choice as a runner we wouldnt have been passing on 3rd and short and trying options on 3rd and 1 which we never run.

not having barber can stifle us at the goaline and if we are trying to seal the deal at the end of the game barber wears the defenses down and keeps the drive alive.

thats also why we keep running that annoying shotgun draw so often because choice cant get it done purely straight up the gut.

i like the guy and he has done good in barber's place but he's not on barber's planet.

its only 3 backs i'd take over barber and thats AP,tomilson, and maybe a healthy westbrook.( michael turner is playing some great ball too)

but choice isnt even in the same class as the rookies that came in this year with him(felix, macfadden, chris johnson, matt forte, steve slaton)

so lets please stop the madness folks we need barber against these defenses to soften things up across the middle for guys like witten and to soften those pass rushers down.

pitts and balt kept coming and the giants because choice couldnt wear them down.

once ray lewis would have blown through the middle on a blitz and met barber he would have been dancing around with him for the rest of the game to get to romo. not just flying back there like he was.

same for harrison from the steelers and the rest of those guys.

dude, i doubt you'll find many cowboys fans who don't love MB3 but right at this moment Choice is better. Barber is not right and i would rather see Choice running the ball right now then Barber for that very reason. Barber is a better blocker and receiver but i'm not so sure he's the better anything right now until he gets healthy
 

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Angus;2520926 said:
Choice is better than Barber. Period. Barber is a great finisher, but not an every down back. He split carries, both in college and in the pros, until this season. Choice carried the load for his college team. Barber can do one thing better than Choice. Choice can do many things better than Barber.

Just my opinion.

How quickly we forget. Yeah, let's see Choice break like 17 tackles in his own endzone and almost break off a run for a very big play like MBIII did last year against the Patriots.

No disrespect to Choice, I'm really glad he's on our team and think he could be a very productive running back for us. I am more pointing out how quickly some of us forget just how great MBIII can be when he's right.
 

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I think somebody needs to kidnap Jason Garrett so he can't show up on Sunday... We'd be better off running the ghetto offense without him...
 

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In response to RW3141

I cut your quote so it wouldnt be so long but the fact is this...barber is not the back he was last year. Barber was the spark we needed when he split time. Barber is a PHENOM when he get 10 to 15 carries, he is mediocre as a full time back (less than 4 yards a carry). Our best case scenario is run choice, and let barber play his role from last year IF he is healthy. If not run choice.

PS..Dont you forget what Choice has done., and he has done it against teams that dont allow teams to run on them (steelers, giants, ravens). Choice has had the best game against the ravens than anyone in recent times.
 

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Choice is a great replacement for JUJO but no way we dont need barber,we need both actually.Choice missed many blitzes last week,I saw Romo barking at him a few times.And To bang Barber in there is hard on a defense.I hope we can at least get 10 carries out of Barber this week.
 

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I said this before we even knew if Choice was any good, but I think Barber is one of our most "replaceable" stars. Oh, I love the guy, and think he's the best fourth-quarter running back in football. But we're a team that under utilizes the run, and Barber's a running back that typically doesn't shine early in games.

As I said then and continue to believe, when we truly, truly miss Barber is when we're trying to move the chains and nurse a slim lead late in games -- a situation that could certainly arise Sunday. So, yes, I absolutely think we could use him, but I don't think he's as vital as any number of other players.
 

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juckie;2521446 said:
Choice is a great replacement for JUJO but no way we dont need barber,we need both actually.Choice missed many blitzes last week,I saw Romo barking at him a few times.And To bang Barber in there is hard on a defense.I hope we can at least get 10 carries out of Barber this week.

I say this in absolute seriousness and not tongue in cheek, but I'm almost fearful of what will happen when Barber returns.

Garrett didn't know how to utilize our stable of backs before Felix got hurt, after Felix got hurt and has been bailed out in a sense that the last few weeks he has been able to rely on just one back and not worry about when and how to use them.

Put Barber back in the lineup and I think we'll either see Choice almost never in the game, or will see an odd, non-rhythmic rotation.
 

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This is Our Year;2521028 said:
As good as barber is, with the way Choice is playing this hasn't been our problem. We can win with Choice playing like he has been. Our problem is this O-Line that blows and has Romo injured (pinkey,back) and on the run virtually every passing play. Thank god Romo has a little mobility or we litterally wouldn't be able to move the ball through the air IMO.

I honestly believe we would have run the game against the Ravens if we had run the ball on every single play!
 

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cowboys2233;2521397 said:
How quickly we forget. Yeah, let's see Choice break like 17 tackles in his own endzone and almost break off a run for a very big play like MBIII did last year against the Patriots.

No disrespect to Choice, I'm really glad he's on our team and think he could be a very productive running back for us. I am more pointing out how quickly some of us forget just how great MBIII can be when he's right.

Choice would not have been in the endzone on that play in the first place. Period!
 

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DaBoys4Life;2521176 said:
I don't think Barber is the heart of the team, I think it's Romo and I also think that we're a passing team....I really hate seeing us line up in a 2 TE set and try and pound the ball that's not who we are.
Thats who we need to be. This team is going to have to live without the one thing that has been a constant for us of late. We are not having success moving the ball through the air anymore IMO. The O-line is not playing perfect ball as others have mentioned. They could be playing better but thats not who i'm going to pin the blame on. Romo has not been throwing the ball well. Whether its still his pinkie or his back, he is struggling throwing the deep out and really anything deep at all. I hope he recovers and starts throwing better but i'm not gonna count on it for the philly game. We need to become a running defensive team for this weekend. Lets ride choice and that D and see how far we can get. D wins championships.
 

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Are we really sure Choice is the real deal? Or are teams seeing Barber not in there and easing up against our running game in favor of tighter pass defense and more blitz packages?

I'll say one thing; Choice is not taking over any games. Efficient in the role we've given him? Yea. But not taking over any games.

We need Barber back. Period.
 

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Cowboys2008;2521633 said:
Are we really sure Choice is the real deal? Or are teams seeing Barber not in there and easing up against our running game in favor of tighter pass defense and more blitz packages?

I'll say one thing; Choice is not taking over any games. Efficient in the role we've given him? Yea. But not taking over any games.

We need Barber back. Period.
He looks like the real deal to me. He reminds me alot of #22
 

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Iago33;2521583 said:
Choice would not have been in the endzone on that play in the first place. Period!


All I know is MBIII + Choice + Felix Jones > Jacobs + Ward + Bradshaw

Still can't believe we wasted so much on Roy *****' Williams -- Anquan Boldin should have been coming to Dallas in the offseason, spreading hope and cheer.
 

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cowboys2233;2521649 said:
All I know is MBIII + Choice + Felix Jones > Jacobs + Ward + Bradshaw

Still can't believe we wasted so much on Roy *****' Williams -- Anquan Boldin should have been coming to Dallas in the offseason, spreading hope and cheer.
Roy is the real deal man.
 

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cowboys2233;2521397 said:
How quickly we forget. Yeah, let's see Choice break like 17 tackles in his own endzone and almost break off a run for a very big play like MBIII did last year against the Patriots.

No disrespect to Choice, I'm really glad he's on our team and think he could be a very productive running back for us. I am more pointing out how quickly some of us forget just how great MBIII can be when he's right.

bingo my point exactly folks out here are getting crazy on here talking about choice is better than barber they need to go to an eagles board with that garbage.

they sound like the eagles fans here in philly that said all those backups were better than mcnabb when they were temporairly playing like aj feely, jeff garcia.

choice is doing good but he has fresh legs at the end of a greuling nfl season sort of like how ryan grant did for green bay last season but if he was a starter you guys wouldnt be saying that.

this board have a rediculous amount of ledge jumpers out here, so let me get this together first romo needs to go, and choice needs to start, T.O needs to go, and roy11 was a waste so what does that leave us with a superbowl team ???? come on guys
 

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cowboys2233;2521397 said:
How quickly we forget. Yeah, let's see Choice break like 17 tackles in his own endzone and almost break off a run for a very big play like MBIII did last year against the Patriots.

No disrespect to Choice, I'm really glad he's on our team and think he could be a very productive running back for us. I am more pointing out how quickly some of us forget just how great MBIII can be when he's right.

That play made me question whether Barber is a football idiot. You never willingly run back into your own end zone to try and make a play from your own 5-7 yard line. That play while very exciting was also incredibly stupid and way too much risk for the possible rewards.

Honestly I'm not sure that the back that who should get carries next year isn't Felix. No offense to Barber and Choice but neither one of them has much speed which is on thing that is pretty lacking on this team right now.

I've found myself thinking if only Felix had that carry. I've never found myself wondering the same thing about Choice or Barber, at least not this year.
 
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