Chris Canty the best 3/4 DE in the 05 Draft?

[Eddie]

Are you kidding me? I bet there will be handful of teams that are willing to do that, as long as they don't have top 10-15 picks.
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I'd take that bet in a heartbeat.

No one was willing give a first rounder for Edge or Shaun Alexander ... two of the best RB's in the game.

NO ONE will be willing to part with even a late 1st rounder for Canty.

Let's not pat ourselves in the back too much. He's a good player for a 4th rounder. But no way anyone gives up a 1st rounder for him ... probably not even a 2nd.

Lemme guess, you guys are the same chaps who had Al Johnson in the Pro Bowl. :laugh2:

 

[wileedog]

I'd take that bet in a heartbeat.

No one was willing give a first rounder for Edge or Shaun Alexander ... two of the best RB's in the game.

Apples and oranges.

Alexander is 28 and Edge 27. Not old, but probably 2-4 years left of solid production beore they start to decline. More importantly both were in contract years. Whoever traded for them would have to be assured they could sign them to an extension as well, or it was a wasted 1st round pick, and that contract would be very, very expensive.

I wouldn't trade a 1st round pick for anyone who I knew could very well be a FA next season.

Canty OTOH is still a rookie and has several years left on his rookie contract - a 4th rounder contract to boot. That really does make a big difference.

WOuld someone give a late 1st for him? I don't know, but probably a 2nd for sure now that his health questions are gone. He was projected as a first round pick anyway before the eye trouble, and he did nothing this year that cast that rating in doubt.

 

[RCowboyFan]

I'd take that bet in a heartbeat.

No one was willing give a first rounder for Edge or Shaun Alexander ... two of the best RB's in the game.

NO ONE will be willing to part with even a late 1st rounder for Canty.

Let's not pat ourselves in the back too much. He's a good player for a 4th rounder. But no way anyone gives up a 1st rounder for him ... probably not even a 2nd.

Lemme guess, you guys are the same chaps who had Al Johnson in the Pro Bowl. :laugh2:

Dude make some valid comparisons instead something you dream of. Edge or Shaun woudl have cost 2 1st rounders first of all and second, even if only one first rounder, then there is their contract demands. They probbaly would have demanded top 2-3 RB salary or signing bonus.

Its just like Drew Brees not getting any trade offers because of not only the 2 draft picks but also the contract demands that would come with it.

Lemme guess, you are the type of guy who thinks Shawne Merriman is all-pro while Demarcus Ware is a bust ( since we are assuming things, might as well).

And I will wait for the responses you got for the calls you made to NFL front offices as to what they will give up for Canty,since you are so sure.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Canty played well.

But don't kid yourself about him being the best 3-4 DE in the draft.

Ask any team around and see if they'd be willing to part with a first rounder for Canty.

I think you'll see his worth after that.

If the 05 Draft were held over again who would you rather have Canty or Pollack who went 17 overall to Cinnci?

What about Erasmus James taken a pick later by the Vikes?

I would take Canty in the first and don't fool yourself alot of other NFL teams would do the same thing.

:starspin

 

[Nors]

Spears, Canty, Ware! 3-4 score draft. Draft of a decade great.

To think otherwise is fools gold.

 

[followthestar]

Having known of his career here in Charlottesville VA home of the Hoos, I paid more attention to him than most, and here are some of the reasons Canty was possibly the steal of the draft in '05...

He was coached by Al Groh. He played in a 3-4 defense. He led the conference in tackles before his leg injury, and was never 100% last year either - this offseason he will get fully healed and conditioned. He fell in the draft as much for the eye injury itself as the reason he GOT injured - he was struck by a thrown beer bottle in a bar fight!
...but what WASN'T publicized much was the fact that he was an innocent bystander, and his superior ethics were never questioned by those who knew him.
Coming off a leg injury AND an eye injury AND having his reputation tarnished dropped a player into our laps who will dominate at his position for many many years. Trust me on this one. He's that good. You'll see...
The fact that we drafted him in a trade with the Eagles (remember?) makes it so ironically sweet, I can hardly stand it!!!

 

[Eddie]

Sorry guys .. but some of you are starting to sound like Commander homers.

Canty WILL NOT get us a 1st rounder.

NO ONE will trade us their 1st rounder for Canty.

Canty played well and he was a great pick, but let's not go overboard here.

I love your enthusiasm for Cowboy players, but let's temper the silliness.

Are you the same guys ready to put Al Johnson in the Pro Bowl???

Hold it ... I also remember someone putting that 6th round DT from 2002 in the Pro Bowl too.

The only reason we're so happy with the Canty pick is because we've been so lousy with our day 2 picks. This is like candy to a kid who hasn't tasted chocolate in years.

Unfortunately, many other teams find very good players on day 2. We simply haven't been good at it. Thus, all the excitement over Canty.

Oh yeah, let's not forget ... at least we're not the Bengals. How about that for our rallying cry? Hilariously pathetic if you ask me.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Sorry guys .. but some of you are starting to sound like Commander homers.

Canty WILL NOT get us a 1st rounder.

NO ONE will trade us their 1st rounder for Canty.

Canty played well and he was a great pick, but let's not go overboard here.

I love your enthusiasm for Cowboy players, but let's temper the silliness.



Oh yeah, let's not forget ... at least we're not the Bengals. How about that for our rallying cry? Hilariously pathetic if you ask me.

Nobody said a team would give us their 1st round pick this year except you, let me break this down into more simple terms.

Less talanted DEs were taken at #17 overall and #18 over all in the 2005 Draft. If it were held today Erasmus James and Dave Pollack "wouldbe" rated below Chris Canty.

If you actually believe yourself, which I doubt you actually do, then tell us all who you would have picked in the first round at DE that cold compare with Canty?

Better yet just name one DE in the 2005 draft that compares to Canty who is not on our roster.

 

[Rogerthat12]

I'd take that bet in a heartbeat.

No one was willing give a first rounder for Edge or Shaun Alexander ... two of the best RB's in the game.

NO ONE will be willing to part with even a late 1st rounder for Canty.

Let's not pat ourselves in the back too much. He's a good player for a 4th rounder. But no way anyone gives up a 1st rounder for him ... probably not even a 2nd.

Lemme guess, you guys are the same chaps who had Al Johnson in the Pro Bowl. :laugh2:

Probably because the teams that needed running backs last year were able to draft a decent one in a deep RB draft. Who wants to give up high draft picks and big bucks on older players when the teams usually being poor in play are in need of being rebuilt.

Canty was a "steal" in the fourth because he was of "first" round grade and talent. His injuries were why he dropped in the draft and for good reason. However, his talent is first round grade and to say otherwise is simply moronic. Jerry and Billy-Boy took a risk and it paid off, Canty will only get better and certainly was better than the other DE's drafted besides maybe Spears who came on late.

I am unsure anyone is really arguing that we are going to get a first rounder for Canty right now, it is a logical fallacy of the false dilemma.
Again Eddie, watch the overstatement yourself as you attempt to correct anothers overstatement.

YES, Canty has a lot of work to do and no one is knocking down our door to get Canty from us with a first round pick.

NO, Canty is not simply a "good" fourth round pick but is instead truly a "first" round grade talent that slipped due to injury.

It is OK to say he is first round grade talent and is promising while also maintaining he needs work and that no other team is trying to pry him from Dallas with a first round pick.

Sheesh guys, everything is not the either/or fallacy!!

 

[Nors]

Canty is 1st round talent

Canty is going to be a future perennial Pro Bowler.

 

[ravidubey]

If Spears and Canty are first round talents either they didn't show it or it doesn't matter a whole lot whether or not a 3-4 end is a first round pick.

These guys made little or no perceivable impact beyond occupying starting spots. Yes, yes their impact in a 3-4 can't be defined by statistics, yada, yada-- then why did we draft them with such high picks? Canty was a steal, but Spears was all but a non-factor. Playing devil's advocate, it appeared that Luis Castillo and Mike Patterson made bigger impacts than Spears (though Patterson was a net minus from Corey Simon in Philly).

Burnett was even worse-- ROY candidates Lofa Tatupu and Odell Thurman were the next LB's drafted (within six picks of Burnett) and now Burnett is an injury-riddled bust in the making.

For all the hype about Dallas's drafting Spears and Canty, they did little compared with Ware, Barber, and even the 6th rounder Petitti. Yes, Spears "started" much of the year-- but so did Ellis and Ellis had 8 sacks despte being 20 pounds lighter.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

If Spears and Canty are first round talents either they didn't show it or it doesn't matter a whole lot whether or not a 3-4 end is a first round pick.

These guys made little or no perceivable impact beyond occupying starting spots. Yes, yes their impact in a 3-4 can't be defined by statistics, yada, yada-- then why did we draft them with such high picks? Canty was a steal, but Spears was all but a non-factor. Playing devil's advocate, it appeared that Luis Castillo and Mike Patterson made bigger impacts than Spears (though Patterson was a net minus from Corey Simon in Philly).

Burnett was even worse-- ROY candidates Lofa Tatupu and Odell Thurman were the next LB's drafted (within six picks of Burnett) and now Burnett is an injury-riddled bust in the making.

For all the hype about Dallas's drafting Spears and Canty, they did little compared with Ware, Barber, and even the 6th rounder Petitti. Yes, Spears "started" much of the year-- but so did Ellis and Ellis had 8 sacks despte being 20 pounds lighter.

Burnett didn't see the field enough, when he does I for one think he will make a huge impact, he was a LB we could not pass up because he had such a high grade and Dallas made a solid pick. Also, I'd much rather have Spears that Pollack or Erasmus James.

Sometimes I just don't understand a fellow fans negative perspective, Dallas had an outstanding draft and if they can pull it off again the Cowboys should be in contention for years to come.

 

[Rogerthat12]

If Spears and Canty are first round talents either they didn't show it or it doesn't matter a whole lot whether or not a 3-4 end is a first round pick.

These guys made little or no perceivable impact beyond occupying starting spots. Yes, yes their impact in a 3-4 can't be defined by statistics, yada, yada-- then why did we draft them with such high picks? Canty was a steal, but Spears was all but a non-factor. Playing devil's advocate, it appeared that Luis Castillo and Mike Patterson made bigger impacts than Spears (though Patterson was a net minus from Corey Simon in Philly).

Burnett was even worse-- ROY candidates Lofa Tatupu and Odell Thurman were the next LB's drafted (within six picks of Burnett) and now Burnett is an injury-riddled bust in the making.

For all the hype about Dallas's drafting Spears and Canty, they did little compared with Ware, Barber, and even the 6th rounder Petitti. Yes, Spears "started" much of the year-- but so did Ellis and Ellis had 8 sacks despte being 20 pounds lighter.

Too many generalizations, baseless claims and logical fallacies to deal with in this post. Canty and Spears not only made an impact but learned on the fly this year. Wonder how the defense was significantly better this year even without Henry alongside Newman.

 

[Manster68]

Both Canty and Barber I have high hopes for that they will succeed in the NFL. I also have the same hopes for the other draft picks as well.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Ask any team around and see if they'd be willing to part with a first rounder for Canty.

I think you'll see his worth after that.

what?! who the hell is going to give up a 1st for any 2nd year player who was a 4th round pick a year ago? not knocking Canty, but that's way above his value, heck, put any 2nd year player, no matter how good they looked, and I'll say the same thing

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'd take that bet in a heartbeat.

No one was willing give a first rounder for Edge or Shaun Alexander ... two of the best RB's in the game.

NO ONE will be willing to part with even a late 1st rounder for Canty.

Let's not pat ourselves in the back too much. He's a good player for a 4th rounder. But no way anyone gives up a 1st rounder for him ... probably not even a 2nd.

dude, noone is saying what you're implying in this post, what are you talking about?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

WOuld someone give a late 1st for him? I don't know, but probably a 2nd for sure now that his health questions are gone. He was projected as a first round pick anyway before the eye trouble, and he did nothing this year that cast that rating in doubt.

why would a team part with a 2nd for a player a year removed from being a 4th round pick? don't care how good they looked, that would never happen, most you would get for Canty would be a 4th, actually 5th

 

[Bob Sacamano]

If Spears and Canty are first round talents either they didn't show it or it doesn't matter a whole lot whether or not a 3-4 end is a first round pick.

These guys made little or no perceivable impact beyond occupying starting spots. Yes, yes their impact in a 3-4 can't be defined by statistics, yada, yada-- then why did we draft them with such high picks? Canty was a steal, but Spears was all but a non-factor. Playing devil's advocate, it appeared that Luis Castillo and Mike Patterson made bigger impacts than Spears (though Patterson was a net minus from Corey Simon in Philly).

Burnett was even worse-- ROY candidates Lofa Tatupu and Odell Thurman were the next LB's drafted (within six picks of Burnett) and now Burnett is an injury-riddled bust in the making.

For all the hype about Dallas's drafting Spears and Canty, they did little compared with Ware, Barber, and even the 6th rounder Petitti. Yes, Spears "started" much of the year-- but so did Ellis and Ellis had 8 sacks despte being 20 pounds lighter.

yet our coaching staff is ecstatic they got them in the draft

 

[Bob Sacamano]

btw, I never answered the question

no, Canty wasn't the best 3-4 DE in the draft, too early to tell

 

[ravidubey]

Too many generalizations, baseless claims and logical fallacies to deal with in this post. Canty and Spears not only made an impact but learned on the fly this year. Wonder how the defense was significantly better this year even without Henry alongside Newman.

My point was that if all Canty and Spears are doing in our defense is plugging holes then what's the difference between having them or a guy like Coleman?

Why burn our limited shots at adding first round pedigree on a position where a player has a difficult time making an impact one way or another? Any big body could do what Spears or Canty did this year.

Spears was an athletic playmaker at LSU; in Dallas he's in a position where he is all but guaranteed to disappear. We've turned an exceptional 4-3 DE into a cement pylon.

Better to have spent that pick on a position that can change the game-- Matt Jones comes to mind.