Chris Carter is Defending Hitchens!

Gameover

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Remember The same no call on Kyle Wilber out in Seattle? He played it just like Hitch and there was no flag
 

Jason 82 Witten

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Wow - can't believe what I'm hearing... He's saying:

. It wasn't pass interference
. Face guarding is not a penalty in the NFL like in college ball
. If anything, Pettigrew grabbed Hitchen's facemask
. Pettigrew didn't come back to the ball and could have changed the call if he had - forcing Hitchen's to move into him
. Hitchen's has a right to his space, it was man coverage
. Hitchen's didn't 'gain an advantage' by putting his left hand on Hitchen's
. The trajectory of the ball was flat and if it had been better thrown, then Hitchen's left hand would have impeded Pettigrew


He actually talked Greenie and Golic OUT OF IT!!!

He actually talked Greenie out of it, Golic wasn't as adamant about it
 

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Both McNabb and Randy Moss thought it was PI.

What now?

McNabb? Really? And Moss never did get over the Cowboys not drafting him. Both have the opposite bias that you're insinuating many Cowboys fans are exhibiting. McNabb of course being a pure hater.

Wonder if Moss/McNabb -- or the conspiracy theorists/haters -- were also up in arms when the arbitrator overturned Suh's suspension despite flatly acknowledging that he believed Suh had intent. And Suh definitely impacted the game with 2 sacks & being a big part of them limiting the Boys run game.

Hitchens tugged his jersey & Pettigrew grabbed his facemask. Both made contact. Hitchens swiping at his arm was to get his hand off of his facemask. It was a poorly thrown ball that was uncatchable & hit Hitchens in the back. Face guarding is not a penalty in the NFL, thus not having to turn his head. And as the ball arrived (into Hitchens back), he had his hands up & did not contact or run through the receiver.
 

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Has a pass interference call EVER been overturned if the refs thought the situation could be interpreted reasonably both ways?

No, to reverse your initial decision publicly, there has to be a rule that compels you to.
Or the initial call was made for something that is not in the rulebook, (face guarding, which is college only)

Reversing a call in this way is not done haphazardly, because it is a great personal risk to admit the initial call was wrong. No referee does that on a whim.
 

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The facemask is irrelevant to whether it was PI or not. You guys are using that to distract from the actual call on the field.

You cannot grab someone's jersey to impede their progress. You cannot make clear substantial contact with the receiver before the ball arrives with your back to the football.

Hitchens did both. It was a penalty.

Unfortunately holding was not called. So that is beside the point. Refs miss holds every game, numerous times a game.

You do realize Hitchens had his face mask held, and was unable to turn around. Also, the contact made by Hitchens was knocking Pettigrew's hand off of his face mask.

If Hitchens should have been flagged, Pettigrew should have as well. In your rationale, refs should recognize one penalty yet ignore another? Yeah, how does that make sense.
 

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Wow - can't believe what I'm hearing... He's saying:

. It wasn't pass interference
. Face guarding is not a penalty in the NFL like in college ball
. If anything, Pettigrew grabbed Hitchen's facemask
. Pettigrew didn't come back to the ball and could have changed the call if he had - forcing Hitchen's to move into him
. Hitchen's has a right to his space, it was man coverage
. Hitchen's didn't 'gain an advantage' by putting his left hand on Hitchen's
. The trajectory of the ball was flat and if it had been better thrown, then Hitchen's left hand would have impeded Pettigrew


He actually talked Greenie and Golic OUT OF IT!!!

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I think it should have been offsetting penalties, replay the down.

Don't really care though. Referees didn't cause Detroit to punt on 4th and 1, and allow Dallas to convert on 4th and 1 and 4th and 6. Or cause Stafford to fumble.. twice.
 

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I think it should have been offsetting penalties, replay the down.

Don't really care though. Referees didn't cause Detroit to punt on 4th and 1, and allow Dallas to convert on 4th and 1 and 4th and 6. Or cause Stafford to fumble.. twice.

When a WR initiaes hand contact, he should never get a call IMO. When he does all bets should be off. As far as the minor hold goes - happens on every pass play in the NFL.
 

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I think it should have been offsetting penalties, replay the down.

Don't really care though. Referees didn't cause Detroit to punt on 4th and 1, and allow Dallas to convert on 4th and 1 and 4th and 6. Or cause Stafford to fumble.. twice.

It's like Playoff Hockey where the refs swallow their whistles and let the players decide the game. The contact on both sides was being allowed all game. The right call was letting it go, no blood, no foul.
 

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I (and probably others) sent an email to Mike&Mike about that, because for some reason I hadn't seen any media show replays or even mention it

I went one step farther and called a radio show last night... man I hate my voice though (sounds so autistic... probably... because I am autistic lol). They totally ignore the reality though :-/.
 

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Sorry. That was PI. Twice. First the jersey grab and then the contact with the shoulder.

We got away with one. I refuse to pretend otherwise.

The jersey grab is not pass interference. It's defensive holding. That should have been called.

Face guarding should not have been. The ball was uncatchable and the receiver initiated contact.

Having said that I don't agree with picking it up.

I do agree with trying to get the call right.
 

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Typical lame response to my honesty.

If that was Jason Written getting that same treatment there wouldn't be a single member here claiming it wasn't a penalty.

Oh I'd be claiming that Jason would be at fault and leave it at that. I maybe a Cowboy homer but I know when to shutup over nothing and let it go. Unfortunately, the world wants to make a big deal out of nothing. The call was right because of the Receiver pulled the mask of the defender. Thus he couldn't turn around to look back for the ball. If the face mask issue is not part of the equation, and if its not even discussed at all, then the right thing was to pick up the flag and not call it or call a penalty on both penalties and redo the down over again.
 

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Wow - can't believe what I'm hearing... He's saying:

. It wasn't pass interference
. Face guarding is not a penalty in the NFL like in college ball
. If anything, Pettigrew grabbed Hitchen's facemask
. Pettigrew didn't come back to the ball and could have changed the call if he had - forcing Hitchen's to move into him
. Hitchen's has a right to his space, it was man coverage
. Hitchen's didn't 'gain an advantage' by putting his left hand on Hitchen's
. The trajectory of the ball was flat and if it had been better thrown, then Hitchen's left hand would have impeded Pettigrew


He actually talked Greenie and Golic OUT OF IT!!!

Well, to me, what Carter says is correct. Hitchen did not do anything to get the PI, good play in my book.
 
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