Chris Henry: Assault Accusation...Claims are false *Updated*

[Bob Sacamano]

in the case of jones and henry specifically he determined that they were guilty of what they were accused of before a court of law did.

he said that? where? when? all I heard was conduct detrimental to the league

 

[dogunwo]

I don't know if he beat the kid up or not, but if he did I doubt he just stopped for no reason and started hitting the kid.

I have to wonder if the kid threw something at the truck or did something. Not that it is right what Henry and the guy did but I just can't see two guys riding a few blocks from their house and just for the heck of it jumping out and beating up some teenager.

Thats because there absolutely has to be more to the story, or nothing to the story at all? Why in the hell would Chris Henry give a crap about some kid? Maybe the kid beat up his brother or something.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Same thing could have happened to me with this girl from Greece. I never shut up. I literally had nothing I could think to say.

Same thing happened to me years ago when I was over seas. Just and unbelievably beautiful women from the Neitherlands. I doubt I ever had any chance, at all but I remember her to this day. She was extrodinary.

 

[burmafrd]

you gotta remember that fuzzy thinks EVERYTHING should be decided in court.
He somehow has the impression that JUSTICE is what the legal system is all about.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

he said that? where? when? all I heard was conduct detrimental to the league

Goodell isn't determining what is criminal, but what is detrimental to the league, and the arrest rate going up is doing exactly that and Henry and PacMan are among their biggest offenders, or repeated I should say

In the ssuspensions, arrests and crininal activity are specifically mentioned as the 'conduct detrimental.' i would hope that you are being intentionally obtuse but for some reason i doubt it.

In Henry's case it was two arrests one of giving alcohol to a minor and one of DUI. In Jones case, there was an assault charge and an obstruction charge all of which are awaiting trial or conclusion. Goodell is saying that they are guilty of conduct detrimental for these acts so yes he is saying that they are guilty of those specific criminal activities before a court of law.

And just a preemptive response to the normal response: i know that he is within his rights to do this but that still does not mean it is good or right to do this.

 

[joseephuss]

In the ssuspensions, arrests and crininal activity are specifically mentioned as the 'conduct detrimental.' i would hope that you are being intentionally obtuse but for some reason i doubt it.

In Henry's case it was two arrests one of giving alcohol to a minor and one of DUI. In Jones case, there was an assault charge and an obstruction charge all of which are awaiting trial or conclusion. Goodell is saying that they are guilty of conduct detrimental for these acts so yes he is saying that they are guilty of those specific criminal activities before a court of law.

And just a preemptive response to the normal response: i know that he is within his rights to do this but that still does not mean it is good or right to do this.

In the case of Chris Henry specifically, he pled guilty in 3 different cases. His guilty pleas occurred prior to Goodell suspending him.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Here we go again :bang2:

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

you gotta remember that fuzzy thinks EVERYTHING should be decided in court.
He somehow has the impression that JUSTICE is what the legal system is all about.

When it comes to determining who is a criminal you bet that I believe the American justice system is the best system in the world. Sorry if i think that a justice system envisioned by thomas jefferson, thomas paine and john adams is superior to what goodell and upshaw cooked up.

Burm, your idea of justice is lynching any athlete who is accused of anything at anytime for any reason and then applauding it with little to no desire to know the whole story while making up BS statistics.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

In the ssuspensions, arrests and crininal activity are specifically mentioned as the 'conduct detrimental.' i would hope that you are being intentionally obtuse but for some reason i doubt it.

anything that sheds a negative image on the league is conduct detrimental to it, so it doesn't even have to be a conviction to taint the league's image, just the numerous charges that are attributed to Henry and PacMan, you can't be involved in that many charges if you are being a good boy, people are not stupid, and like we have seen, there is an outcry

In Henry's case it was two arrests one of giving alcohol to a minor and one of DUI. In Jones case, there was an assault charge and an obstruction charge all of which are awaiting trial or conclusion. Goodell is saying that they are guilty of conduct detrimental for these acts so yes he is saying that they are guilty of those specific criminal activities before a court of law.

again, their association w/ law-breaking is casting a negative image, but it's not just them, they are just the biggest and repeated culprits, it all comes down to the number of player arrests doubling from the past couple of years, and Goodell cracking down before it gets into a full-blown problem that the Government would feel that they have to step in, so it's only natural that he go after the biggest culprits w/ the stiffest penalties in hand

And just a preemptive response to the normal response: i know that he is within his rights to do this but that still does not mean it is good or right to do this.

but if you are within your rights, how can you be wrong? the better word to describe Goodell's actions are as harsh, but that's what happens when things start to spiral out of control and people want solutions

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

In the case of Chris Henry specifically, he pled guilty in 3 different cases. His guilty pleas occurred prior to Goodell suspending him.

you are correct that on the gun charge and the possesion charge he did but the DUI and delinquency charges were listed and were still pending. Add in the two pending Jones cases and you have to me the most disturbing precedent of all.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

When it comes to determining who is a criminal you bet that I believe the American justice system is the best system in the world. Sorry if i think that a justice system envisioned by thomas jefferson, thomas paine and john adams is superior to what goodell and upshaw cooked up.

didn't you say that most of are laws are arbitrary?

 

[joseephuss]

When it comes to determining who is a criminal you bet that I believe the American justice system is the best system in the world. Sorry if i think that a justice system envisioned by thomas jefferson, thomas paine and john adams is superior to what goodell and upshaw cooked up.

Burm, your idea of justice is lynching any athlete who is accused of anything at anytime for any reason and then applauding it with little to no desire to know the whole story while making up BS statistics.

It is a good justice system. Sometimes abused, but pretty good. In the Henry cases, they worked. He chose to enter pleas of guilty. They system worked and with that info, Goodell suspended Henry.

The NFL also has rules to govern itself. Most of the rules work in conjunction with the legal system, but some have more leeway. Owners and players have decided to take action against guys that are having incidents and have encouraged Goodell to do everything within his powers(powers previously granted to him through years of negotiations) to do something about it. It may not be the same types of actions that work in every place of business or in the NFL past, but in the NFL present it is what the people(owners and players) appear to want. Is it right or wrong? Debatable. It is not illegal for the NFL to handle matters in this way, so it works within the justice system.

 

[dogunwo]

I can't answer. Accents mesmerize me, but the Greek girl I'm talking about never even spoke to me or anyone else that I ever heard her voice. There was something about her body, skin, and eyes that just had me transfixed. She smiled at me and like you said, fiance' visa would have been no problem at all because I was hooked.

To this day I have no idea why I couldn't walk over to her and flirt. That has never happened before or since. I was an expert flirt.

Do you roll with R. Kelly?

 

[5Stars]

In Henry's case it was two arrests one of giving alcohol to a minor and one of DUI. In Jones case, there was an assault charge and an obstruction charge all of which are awaiting trial or conclusion. Goodell is saying that they are guilty of conduct detrimental for these acts so yes he is saying that they are guilty of those specific criminal activities before a court of law.

Oh, well that changes the whole story! If Henry ONLY had two arrests and one giving a minor alcohol and one DUI, I don't see anything wrong with that! I'm sure the minor sobered up, and he did not kill anyone while driving drunk...let the guy have fun! I would not punish my son for any juvinile misbehavior unless he was guilty in a court of law!!

And Jones was just having a little fun...you know, out drinking at 4:30 in the morning, inciting a rukus...nothing wrong with that at all. Hey, let kids be kids, huh?

I feel sorry for these poor souls, they just be trying to have fun, ya dig? They just be blowing steam, holmes...!

Poor innocent creatures! "Why is everybody always picking on me"?

 

[Vintage]

When it comes to determining who is a criminal you bet that I believe the American justice system is the best system in the world. Sorry if i think that a justice system envisioned by thomas jefferson, thomas paine and john adams is superior to what goodell and upshaw cooked up.

Burm, your idea of justice is lynching any athlete who is accused of anything at anytime for any reason and then applauding it with little to no desire to know the whole story while making up BS statistics.

No way. Goodell and Upshaw are twice the political philosophers as Paine, Adams, Jefferson, et al.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

No way. Goodell and Upshaw are twice the political philosophers as Paine, Adams, Jefferson, et al.

pff, I hear Goodell is worse than Stalin

 

[Doomsday101]

No way. Goodell and Upshaw are twice the political philosophers as Paine, Adams, Jefferson, et al.

True no one was ever hanged pre mature during Paine, Adams and Jefferson time. Give me a break!!! :laugh2:

 

[5Stars]

pff, I hear Goodell is worse than Stalin

I heard he is like Hitler...but worse!

 

[Vintage]

True no one was ever hanged pre mature during Paine, Adams and Jefferson time. Give me a break!!! :laugh2:

You continue to amaze me.

At least summerisfunner took it for what it was worth; a harmless joke.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

anything that sheds a negative image on the league is conduct detrimental to it, so it doesn't even have to be a conviction to taint the league's image, just the numerous charges that are attributed to Henry and PacMan, you can't be involved in that many charges if you are being a good boy, people are not stupid, and like we have seen, there is an outcry



again, their association w/ law-breaking is casting a negative image, but it's not just them, they are just the biggest and repeated culprits, it all comes down to the number of player arrests doubling from the past couple of years, and Goodell cracking down before it gets into a full-blown problem that the Government would feel that they have to step in, so it's only natural that he go after the biggest culprits w/ the stiffest penalties in hand

but if you are within your rights, how can you be wrong? the better word to describe Goodell's actions are as harsh, but that's what happens when things start to spiral out of control and people want solutions

Goodell specifically lists criminal acts that Jones and Henry are still awaiting trial on in the suspensions. Your little fantasy scenario of them being suspended only because of media coverage is just crap you are making up.

From the old policy there is a specific definition of what is conduct detrimental.

It will be considered conduct detrimental for Covered Persons to engage in (or to aid, abet or conspire to engage in or to incite) violent and/or criminal activity. Examples of such Prohibited Conduct include, without limitation: any crime involving the use or threat of physical violence to a person or persons; the use of a deadly weapon in the commission of a crime; possession or distribution of a weapon in violation of state or federal law; involvement in "hate crimes" or crimes of domestic violence; theft, larceny or other property crimes; sex offenses; racketeering; money laundering; obstruction of justice; resisting arrest; fraud; and violent or threatening conduct. Additionally, Covered Persons shall not by their words or conduct suggest that criminal activity is acceptable or condoned within the NFL.

Notice that negative media reports are not listed. The players contract gives Goodell the authority to determine these violations 'reasonably.' So even if those suspensions didnt list the aforementioned pending cases you would still have no point.

As i have stated repeatedly i dont care how harsh his punishments are as long as they are consistent so you blathering about that has no point.

i used to tutor high schoolers and they sure seemed to pick up things faster than you do.