Chris Sims talks about Schoonmaker's non-catch

[Bullet22]

the fix was in...

 

[Bagman]

Simms has a solid point. IF he was a runner and that happened, sure, short of the GL. But if it isn't a completion unless he survives the ground, then he cannot be considered to have possession. It should have been treated as if he initially bobbled it.

Exactly. You worded it perfectly. Its not possession until possession is established. Surviving the ground should be a part of this catch because he was falling to the ground.Thus his LANDING on the goaline ( which is in the endzone) should have granted Dallas the TD. If he dropped the ball as a result of the hard landing, there would be no doubt..... incomplete. Another factor ignored is this isn't college, you have to be touched down by the defense. In this case, early contact is a penalty. So the refs and replay guys both made bad calls.

 

[KingintheNorth]

That!s never getting called DPI, too close. Happens in almost every game.

Exactly right.

It technically was PI (he was there early, he hooked him) but he also swiped at the ball making an attempt to play the ball. The ref is never ever going to call that.

 

[CowboyFrog]

And by the way if Dak had looked at the other side Cooks was open in the middle.....SMakers catch was harder because Ferguson didnt run his pick correctly..

does the ball just CGI threw the unblocked blitzer hitting Dak in the back on that play if its to the other side?.. Again yes Cooks came open literally behind the path of a not touched rusher...and WTH was TP doing in the backfield to not see the unblocked rusher going by him? you can clearly see in the OP video the guy is hitting Dak and the ball is just passing the LOS..

 

[Creeper]

If the wasted pick gets a half a yard deeper it doesnt matter

Watch the play in real time, Dak threw the ball before Schoonmaker even got to the goal line. Dak had to get rid of it quickly because a free blitzer was about to hit him. Schoonmaker didn;t have time to get to the end zone.

The question is, why did Martin help Biadasz and ignore the guy coming unblocked? If Martin picked him out Dak may have had time to look to his right and see Cooks wide open for the TD.

But as things happened, It should have been at least PI. If Blankenship doesn't tackle Schoonmaker before the ball arrives, He makes the catch and gets into the end zone standing up. Also, I think if Schoonmake dropped it, the refs might have thrown the flag. I think they thought it was a TD catch so they let it go.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Watch the play in real time, Dak threw the ball before Schoonmaker even got to the goal line. Dak had to get rid of it quickly because a free blitzer was about to hit him. Schoonmaker didn;t have time to get to the end zone.

The question is, why did Martin help Biadasz and ignore the guy coming unblocked? If Martin picked him out Dak may have had time to look to his right and see Cooks wide open for the TD.

But as things happened, It should have been at least PI. If Blankenship doesn't tackle Schoonmaker before the ball arrives, He makes the catch and gets into the end zone standing up. Also, I think if Schoonmake dropped it, the refs might have thrown the flag. I think they thought it was a TD catch so they let it go.

actually WTH was Tony Pollard blocking if not the fre blitzer running by him?

 

[Creeper]

actually WTH was Tony Pollard blocking if not the fre blitzer running by him?

Pollard was lined up on that side and I think another Eagles LB faked a blitz. Pollard was there to block him. Dak made the right decision. Schoonmaker ran the right route. The ball was right where it had to be. The reason the play did not work is because Blankenship got there early and knocked Schoonmaker down before the ball arrived. If they called PI Dallas might have scored the TD to take the lead. Interesting question, where would they have spotted the ball? It would have to be inside teh 1 yard line.

Dallas would have gotten a fresh set of downs and would have taken some time off the clock. Let's say they scored, then they would go for 2 to make it either 29-28 or 31-28. The Eagles still would have had around 2 or 3 minutes to try and score again. The questionn is, would Dallas's defense have stopped them or given up another TD drive like they did when they took a 14-7 lead?

 

[Hennessy_King]

Watch the play in real time, Dak threw the ball before Schoonmaker even got to the goal line. Dak had to get rid of it quickly because a free blitzer was about to hit him. Schoonmaker didn;t have time to get to the end zone.

The question is, why did Martin help Biadasz and ignore the guy coming unblocked? If Martin picked him out Dak may have had time to look to his right and see Cooks wide open for the TD.

But as things happened, It should have been at least PI. If Blankenship doesn't tackle Schoonmaker before the ball arrives, He makes the catch and gets into the end zone standing up. Also, I think if Schoonmake dropped it, the refs might have thrown the flag. I think they thought it was a TD catch so they let it go.

He flattens out just a shade early he can still catch it a half yard deeper if he flattens out a little later. Yes martin missed the blitzer and so did TP

 

[Mr_437]

Chris Simms makes a valid argument. I said it in another thread. It's not a ruled catch until you prove the ball is secured as you come to the ground and maintain security on the ball. According to that rule, by the time Schoonmaker fully completed the catch as he was hitting the ground, the ball was on the goal line, thus should have been ruled a TD.

Plus, where was the flag for pass interference on the defender for tackling Schoonmaker before the pass got to him?

They called it like Schoon was a ball carrier instead of a receiver.

 

[Cowboys5217]

They called it like Schoon was a ball carrier instead of a receiver.

Yep they "interpreted" it, and cost us 6 points. Oh, but it evened out in the calls, though nothing even remotely close to that happened to Philly.

 

[Mr_437]

Yep they "interpreted" it, and cost us 6 points. Oh, but it evened out in the calls, though nothing even remotely close to that happened to Philly.

Lol...right.

 

[Bagman]

Exactly right.

It technically was PI (he was there early, he hooked him) but he also swiped at the ball making an attempt to play the ball. The ref is never ever going to call that.

And that's the basis of our complaints. Refs not ever calling obvious fouls. Arriving early(while the ball is in the air) and making contact with an attempt to play through the receiver is a textbook definition of DPI. To top it off, REPLAY OFFICIALS watched it over and over and ignored the foul as well.

 

[ESisback]

This just shows me this game is won and lost by inches. Same with Dak stepping out before extending. It sucks because the game is completely different if either of those plays go the other way.

Exactly, but results are all that matter, especially with a team like Dallas. We could dominate for 59:51, but if on the last play, a fluke enabled our opponent a one point victory, all we’d hear would be gleeful “Dallas sucks” chants.

 

[ESisback]

And that's the basis of our complaints. Refs not ever calling obvious fouls. Arriving early(while the ball is in the air) and making contact with an attempt to play through the receiver is a textbook definition of DPI. To top it off, REPLAY OFFICIALS watched it over and over and ignored the foul as well.

Had that been a Cowboy defender on Dallas Goedert, I GUARANTEE you we’d have seen laundry.

 

[America's Cowboy]

They called it like Schoon was a ball carrier instead of a receiver.

Olsen and the other commentator are a bunch of idiots.

 

[5Stars]

Olsen and the other commentator are a bunch of idiots.

And you are the sharpest knife in the kitchen, huh?

 

[Angus12]

Otherwise, when going to the ground, just bobble the ball as you slide across the field and then you're only down where you establish possession, not where you were when the defender touched you and you were down on the ground.

Are you serious?

So, huge fast athletes flying around, and to try and gain another yard or two, you'd advocate "just bobble the ball" before establishing possession? Yeah. Nothing bad could come of that. Nope. Not at all.

 

[KingintheNorth]

And that's the basis of our complaints. Refs not ever calling obvious fouls. Arriving early(while the ball is in the air) and making contact with an attempt to play through the receiver is a textbook definition of DPI. To top it off, REPLAY OFFICIALS watched it over and over and ignored the foul as well.

What I'm saying is they are consistently not going to call that across the league.

There were much bigger officiating misses.

Gilmore's PI call vs not calling it when they grabbed CeeDee. Either call both or call neither. If anything, Gilmore's was less egregious.

The blatant holding of Micah Parsons.

 

[BaybeeJay]

Just one of many weird plays that didn't go our way. Never never seen this type of call reversed.

Where a player is marked down can be different from where they completed the process of the catch. It's not a loophole.

I don't like using freeze-frame for this particular situation. Identifying when he established possession is challenging when going frame-by-frame. Then trying to sync that up with his knee. Just a silly way to call a game.

 

[America's Cowboy]

And you are the sharpest knife in the kitchen, huh?

You speak from experience, don't you, Rambo?