Clarifying My Stance on Tony Romo

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jobberone said:
Hos, there was nothing wrong with your initial post. If people choose to take your opinions personally then that is there problem. Sorry for the long post but you all know I have to say things with four or five paragraphs when several sentences will do. We all have our little problems.

I wasn't at the game but based on my observations of Calico's clips and some shots on TV we have opposing views about what we saw. I said I thought that Romo didn't appear to throw with as much velocity as the other two. So we are in agreement there. But that does not mean Romo has an inadequate arm. There are explanations as to why he may not have zipped the majority of this passes. I thought Romo was clearly the best QB that day. Henson looked better than I thought he would based on what was coming out of camp. Bledsoe played poorly compared to most of his past performances IMO. In fact I looked at Bledsoe when he was with the Bills and none of the video I saw showed him patting the ball or having happy feet as in Saturday. So I think Bledsoe will be ok and our starter baring injury. So all the talk about Romo vs Henson is just talk IMO. People should be rooting as hard as possible for both of these guys because if Bledsoe goes down we will have to depend on one or both of them. Not saying you are doing that but a lot on here are and they are doing it primarily to battle other posters. It's oneupmanship and points for ego. It is childish but that's ok. Freedom of speech and all that. Sorry if this offends anyone but if the shoe fits then wear it.

The only way to truly get an accurate read is to measure it with an accurate device or by accurate measurements using time and distance. A radar gun is now deemed the most accurate way and there are guns out there than can read velocity within one foot from the QBs hand. Apparently that is a more accurate way to measure velocity than anywhere else in the balls trajectory. And they are accurate. Very.

However, the human eye is pretty good as well but still that is objective. Not scientific but worthy of notice. When you say Romo's throws appear slower then I take very good notice. I also take notice when Aikman says he throws the ball well and can make all the throws. And I don't think Romo would still be here if his arm were not strong enough for him to start one day. To assume all those people who have evaluated him over time that are known to be good evaluators of talent doesn't seem to be very reasonable IMO but everyone should be able to do voice their opinion without ridicule or disrespect. The fact I stand on the other side of the fence from you on this issue doesn't mean I don't consider your take or take offense. And I know you don't. The fact he is here is testimony his arm strength is adequate to be an NFL QB IMO. But I believe Henson and Bledsoe both have better arm strength or in a better way to put it can throw the ball with more velocity which is a prime determinant of how flat the QB can make a throw and how quickly it gets there and how far they can throw it.

To base how a QB is going to succeed based on thrown velocity as the primary determinant is not reasonable. Again I don't hear you say that. And I agree with your worry that he may not be in the end the best backup or future starter. Right now he's better than Henson but that's one person's opinion.

So you are not responsible for all this ruckus and bickering. It goes on with or without your input. And it is self perpetuating because everyone wants to "win" the war of words and get the last shot in.

Such is the nature of the beast Hos. But it was a good try and I respect you for it.
Thank you Jobber. QBs fail every year in the NFL. The reasons are as varied as the opinions on this board. QBs have weaknesses as well as strengths. Should this kid happen to fail I at least hope that people will look back at these last few days and realize the clues to why were right in front of them.

If he succeeds it will be because of accuracy. I never said he threw ducks or slices. I admit he has some tools or he wouldn't even be in Camp.

My foul is that I said good things about Henson. Some here cannot stomach anything positive said about him. I compounded that foul by not gushing over an 8 for 10 performance. The truly funny thing is that my comments mirror stuff these same guys say about other QBs who they call over rated. I'm really not surprised. Been through this same stuff for 3 years now. They have yet to wow we me with QB knowledge. I won't hold my breath.
 

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:lmao2:

All I can say is you spin things to suit your argument and state your opinion as fact ...

I love the "if he fails, I told you so" part ... don't waste your time on writing Western novels, Hos. Humor is your thing ... you've got it down to a tee ...
 

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Hostile said:
Thank you Jobber. QBs fail every year in the NFL. The reasons are as varied as the opinions on this board. QBs have weaknesses as well as strengths. Should this kid happen to fail I at least hope that people will look back at these last few days and realize the clues to why were right in front of them.

If he succeeds it will be because of accuracy. I never said he threw ducks or slices. I admit he has some tools or he wouldn't even be in Camp.

My foul is that I said good things about Henson. Some here cannot stomach anything positive said about him. I compounded that foul by not gushing over an 8 for 10 performance. The truly funny thing is that my comments mirror stuff these same guys say about other QBs who they call over rated. I'm really not surprised. Been through this same stuff for 3 years now. They have yet to wow we me with QB knowledge. I won't hold my breath.

From a guy who thought Henson was ready last year. Good grief.
 

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Nors said:
From a guy who thought Henson was ready last year. Good grief.


The picture he attempts to paint is humorous ... I said Henson played well ... but Romo played better ... he's all over the place trying to backpeddal about that ball to Crayton being 100% uncatchable ... or as he put it 0% catchable ..

What is also humorous is the part where he says, "if this guy happens to fail I hope that people look at these last few days" ... as if he is the end-all-tell-all ... or the litmus test ... it's just comical that he's still in denial that Romo is the #2 QB ... clinging to anything he can until the announcement comes ...

Enjoy this time now though ... because it won't be long before it's official ...

I've seen people spinning their wheels before ... but I never expected to see it this bad from Hostile ... especially when the writing on the wall is so clear ... and so obvious ... to most of us at least ...
 

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Banned_n_austin said:
:lmao2:

All I can say is you spin things to suit your argument and state your opinion as fact ...

I love the "if he fails, I told you so" part ... don't waste your time on writing Western novels, Hos. Humor is your thing ... you've got it down to a tee ...
I've never written a Western novel, but I'd love to. One day I might.

Name me one person who posts who doesn't "spin things to suit their argument." JUdas Priest man, that's quite a paint brush. Do you really think you didn't get any on you with that?
 

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To the guy who said the Brady comparisons were valid because you were only talking about armstrength, and height could be discussed in another topic, LMAO. If you are comparing a Ferarri to a Toyota and they are both red does that make it worth comparing the two? Tony Romo probably has similar arm strength to Brady, which is not great by any means. I personally feel that Brady has some of the best vision since Montana, and that attribute alone has as much to do with his success as any, regardless of arm strength. If Brady was only 6'1" would he still have the same vision? Highly unlikely, his great height helps him see the field and as a result has enabled him to have great success with an average to good arm. My point was that Romo has deficincies in both areas, thus making the overrall comparisons rediculous. Can a QB with a good but not great arm be successful? of course. Can a QB that is short be successful? of course. Does having shortcomings in both height and armstrength give a QB a disadvantage to those with Ideal height and great arm strength? of course. There are always exceptions but they are rare. Vick is short but he has a rocket and the best legs ever seen, don't insult anyone by bringing up Vick in a Romo comparison. Tom Brady also is a once in a generation find. For every Drew Brees there is a hundred failures. Odds say Romo has a better chance of being a decent starter or a great back up. Henson has every atribute Romo has pluss great height and a rocket arm. Romo should look alot more comfortable in this stage of his development. He has improved greatly from his second training camp till now, I expect Henson will also improve greatly between his second year and third. They are both hard workers intelligent and have both been said to have demonstrated great intangibles in college i.e: confidence, instincts, touch, leadership etc. Hensons rare physical gifts are what gives him a great advantage overrall. If Henson develops over the next year the way Romo has then we will have the best of both worlds. As for this one article about Romo's ball speed, Whatever! Anyone trying to convince those of us with eyes that have watched the game of football for years that Romo has a great arm is wasting their time. You have a better chance of convincing me the sky is green. The proof is in the pudding. How many times have I watched Romo throw a pass and said to myself, wow! this guy has a great arm? NONE! How many times have I watched Henson throw a pass and said to myself HOLY S%#T! this guy has a rocket? MANY, MANY TIMES! I absolutely hope they both fulfill their potential, but I definately prefer Henson due to his enormous physical gifts, it would be nice to have "SUPER QB!" wouldn't it?
 

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This is an observation so Ben and Nors dont get all in an uproar.

Assuming that Favre has an arm that is absolute top end then you can compare him to a pitcher that throws 101 mph. That is pretty much top end in baseball.

Comparing the ratios 57/61 : x/101. It would seem that Romos arm would top out at about 93 mph. That is better than say Kenny Rogers arm but certainly nowhere near a Billy Wagner.

If that was the best the draft could produce that season maybe that says a bit more about the drraft than it does about Romo.

Given that comparison, Romo's arm is better than average but not by much. Which makes a lot of sense seeing how it is readily apparent comparing his arm to our other QBs that his is not as strong.

Hensons ceiling at least from a athletic standpoint is higher and that is why a lot of people want him to do well because if both play to the best of their god given talent Henson wins the job.

Ben, you are so adversarial, antiestablishmentarian and contrarian i think that if BZ and Hos said they really like Barnes you would start praising Polite and slamming Darian.

Romo is just the type of feces sticking to the wall prediction that Nors would make so he can perform his selfgratualatory routine so litlle surprise there.

Everyone else hopes both do well but see Henson is having the better upside and thus being the most upside for the Dallas Cowboys.

Really when people start talking about agendas there really needs to be an adjective put in front of it. Like a Cowboys agenda or a stir-the-pot agenda or a hubris agenda.
 

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Whoa!

Given the unexpectedness of Romo to develp as our starter, I found this thread interesting.
 
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