Clay Mathews on how to stop read option: "Hit the QB"

AmberBeer said:
Trust me, defenses saw the success with the RO, pistol or whatever you want to call the option play and had all offseason to figure out how the counteract it. It's going to be an intersting year.
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And the best they could come up with is "hit the QB"? lol...
 
Califan007 said:
And the best they could come up with is "hit the QB"? lol...
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No, that's not all. That's what I meant by it's going to be interesting. If you don't think the d-coordinators around the league haven't analyzed this during the offseason, your fooling yourself.
 
AmberBeer said:
No, that's not all. That's what I meant by it's going to be interesting. If you don't think the d-coordinators around the league haven't analyzed this during the offseason, your fooling yourself.
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True but then Washington does a lot of the running plays that Shannahan ran in Denver and teams had problems stopping that as well. You key too much on one thing and they will hit you with something else. Heck Morris did not get most of the yards out of the pistol he got them off the cut backs in shannahan offense pretty much the same thing Houston runs with a lot of zone blocking and RB looking for the backside lanes as defense over runs the play
 
1. So they didn't run the pistol formation against Dallas? Explain how he ran 63 yards and Morris carried the ball for 200 yards? Or are you saying RG3 knee got worse, besides more time to heal so that Shanny decided to go with a totally different plan against Seatte?

2. Can you explain in the Seattle game, why, nhe first drive, out of the five times the Commanders were in shotgun, 4 times they ran with RG3 actually running one of those tims? Can you explain why, in the second drive, the Commanders ran a play 6 times out of shotgun and actually ran the ball 4 times, and the other time was a penalty on Seattle for a netrual zone infraction if they weren't going pistol? And RG3 ran it once for 8 yards, while Morris ran the other four times... Can you explain why, on the third drive of the Rdskins, 4 times they ran shotgun, one a fumble by RG3 when Seattle got into the backfield, the other two runs by Morris and one, a short INC pass if they weren't running pistol? So 2 out of 4 plays were definitive pass, the third a short pass...

Yeah, sure....
 
AmberBeer said:
No, that's not all. That's what I meant by it's going to be interesting. If you don't think the d-coordinators around the league haven't analyzed this during the offseason, your fooling yourself.
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It's not about just analyzing it...it's about coming up with effective solutions FROM that analysis, and then of course having the player talent and coaching skill to make it work.

I have zero doubt that DCs all across the league have been studying and analyzing the read option all offseason. And read option OCs have been updating and revising their schemes all offseason as well. The best part, though, is that opposing teams will have to practice for the read option even if you don't use it in the game...takes valuable time away from other defensive aspects of practice. I'm sure Shanahan and other read option coaches would love for their upcoming opponent to do nothing BUT study and practice the read option the week of their game lol. When one aspect of your offense dictates THAT much focus from your opponent, it can't help but be a good thing.
 
khiladi said:
1. So they didn't run the pistol formation against Dallas? Explain how he ran 63 yards and Morris carried the ball for 200 yards? Or are you saying RG3 knee got worse, besides more time to heal so that Shanny decided to go with a totally different plan against Seatte?

2. Can you explain in the Seattle game, why, nhe first drive, out of the five times the Commanders were in shotgun, 4 times they ran with RG3 actually running one of those tims? Can you explain why, in the second drive, the Commanders ran a play 6 times out of shotgun and actually ran the ball 4 times, and the other time was a penalty on Seattle for a netrual zone infraction if they weren't going pistol? And RG3 ran it once for 8 yards, while Morris ran the other four times... Can you explain why, on the third drive of the Rdskins, 4 times they ran shotgun, one a fumble by RG3 when Seattle got into the backfield, the other two runs by Morris and one, a short INC pass if they weren't running pistol? So 2 out of 4 plays were definitive pass, the third a short pass...

Yeah, sure....
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1) Did he say the Skins never ran the read option against the Cowboys? No.

2) Are you one of those who believes every play run out of the pistol formation is a read option play? lol
 
Doomsday101 said:
True but then Washington does a lot of the running plays that Shannahan ran in Denver and teams had problems stopping that as well. You key too much on one thing and they will hit you with something else. Heck Morris did not get most of the yards out of the pistol he got them off the cut backs in shannahan offense pretty much the same thing Houston runs with a lot of zone blocking and RB looking for the backside lanes as defense over runs the play
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I've seen these gimmick offenses over the years and none of them last long. The Wildcat for one.
 
khiladi said:
1. So they didn't run the pistol formation against Dallas? Explain how he ran 63 yards and Morris carried the ball for 200 yards? Or are you saying RG3 knee got worse, besides more time to heal so that Shanny decided to go with a totally different plan against Seatte?

2. Can you explain in the Seattle game, why, nhe first drive, out of the five times the Commanders were in shotgun, 4 times they ran with RG3 actually running one of those tims? Can you explain why, in the second drive, the Commanders ran a play 6 times out of shotgun and actually ran the ball 4 times, and the other time was a penalty on Seattle for a netrual zone infraction if they weren't going pistol? And RG3 ran it once for 8 yards, while Morris ran the other four times... Can you explain why, on the third drive of the Rdskins, 4 times they ran shotgun, one a fumble by RG3 when Seattle got into the backfield, the other two runs by Morris and one, a short INC pass if they weren't running pistol? So 2 out of 4 plays were definitive pass, the third a short pass...

Yeah, sure....
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I can explain he was injured in the Dallas game and was lifted in the seahawks game after reinjuring the knee which he is not coming off the injury list. The game vs Dallas he started off well but Morris 200 yards rushing and 3 TD not to mention our turnovers where the killer for us.

Vs Seahawks lineing up in the short gun is not running the pistol per say maybe you should learn what it is before making lame comments.
 
AmberBeer said:
I've seen these gimmick offenses over the years and none of them last long. The Wildcat for one.
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Wildcat I agree was a gimmic you had a RB lined up at QB and he ran the ball 99 percent of the time there was not secret to it. Pistol comes with many options and by lining up in the pistol which is really no more than the QB lined up in shot gun but only half the distance of a normal shotgun they can give the same look and run other stuff off of it.
 
Doomsday101 said:
Wildcat I agree was a gimmic you had a RB lined up at QB and he ran the ball 99 percent of the time there was not secret to it. Pistol comes with many options and by lining up in the pistol which is really no more than the QB lined up in shot gun but only half the distance of a normal shotgun they can give the same look and run other stuff off of it.
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Currently teams are running the RO basically as a stretch run concept because of blocking schemes used by offensive lines. They are using zone blocking to account for all of the defenders to form combination blocks on the defensive linemen and then releasing to the second level, LB's. This won't continue to work because teams will use more defensive rotations late into the box and defenses will continue to use fronts that don't cover the center (even fronts). These rotations will make it harder for the OL to block all of the defenders.

Not to mention Clay Mathews much more simple remedy.
 
Califan007 said:
It's not about just analyzing it...it's about coming up with effective solutions FROM that analysis, and then of course having the player talent and coaching skill to make it work.

I have zero doubt that DCs all across the league have been studying and analyzing the read option all offseason. And read option OCs have been updating and revising their schemes all offseason as well. The best part, though, is that opposing teams will have to practice for the read option even if you don't use it in the game...takes valuable time away from other defensive aspects of practice. I'm sure Shanahan and other read option coaches would love for their upcoming opponent to do nothing BUT study and practice the read option the week of their game lol. When one aspect of your offense dictates THAT much focus from your opponent, it can't help but be a good thing.
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I'm sure that's what OCs said about the Wildcat too, because that offense has had so much success.
 
I agree that this offense will fade as well. If you force the QB to keep the ball, it is only a matter of time (IMO) before you lose the QB to a Safety of LB coming across the field. The QB may be able to get yards and he may be able to win games for a time but eventually, the wear and tear will get to him and your starting QB will be on the shelf. You don't play for the regular season in the NFL. You play for the post season and I believe that as many of these QBs start getting down to the end of the season, that's going to become more of a problem. I guess we'll see what happens.
 
AmberBeer said:
Currently teams are running the RO basically as a stretch run concept because of blocking schemes used by offensive lines. They are using zone blocking to account for all of the defenders to form combination blocks on the defensive linemen and then releasing to the second level, LB's. This won't continue to work because teams will use more defensive rotations late into the box and defenses will continue to use fronts that don't cover the center (even fronts). These rotations will make it harder for the OL to block all of the defenders.

Not to mention Clay Mathews much more simple remedy.
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and again you focus on that and they hit you with a back side run using shannahan offense he used in Denver. The formation can stay the same but what you run out of the formation varies a lot it is not 1 play it is a number of plays it uses trips at WR at time and put them into motion to move the defense it uses 2 TE at times it used 2 backs at time it is more than some wildcat offense. I think people need to see it as a whole not some single play.
 
187beatdown said:
I'm sure that's what OCs said about the Wildcat too, because that offense has had so much success.
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Overlooking the vast differences between the Wildcat and the R/O, the read option was a million times more effective and successful than the Wildcat could ever have hoped for.

Why is the standard response always "So was the Wildcat"? lol...Kinda like the standard response to RG3's incredible season was "Cam Newton was incredible, too."...So very little thought is required to give that as a retort.
 
Califan007 said:
Overlooking the vast differences between the Wildcat and the R/O, the read option was a million times more effective and successful than the Wildcat could ever have hoped for.

Why is the standard response always "So was the Wildcat"? lol...Kinda like the standard response to RG3's incredible season was "Cam Newton was incredible, too."...So very little thought is required to give that as a retort.
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Kinda like the standard response to RGknees knee injury is "it wasn't that bad".
 
Califan007 said:
Overlooking the vast differences between the Wildcat and the R/O, the read option was a million times more effective and successful than the Wildcat could ever have hoped for.

Why is the standard response always "So was the Wildcat"? lol...Kinda like the standard response to RG3's incredible season was "Cam Newton was incredible, too."...So very little thought is required to give that as a retort.
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Very much so, it is a formation many things can be ran out of it, as I pointed out Denver is using it with Peyton. It is not just a read option many things can be ran out of that. Hell if the defense is keying on one aspect of it you open yourself up to be hit in many different ways. People don't get it, this is not a single play offense it is much more complex than that.
 
AmberBeer said:
Kinda like the standard response to RGknees knee injury is "it wasn't that bad".
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RGIII tried to leap a DB and then got his knee twisted while scrambling in the back field on a pass play, that happens to a lot of QB. Hell Romo has been injured himself it kind of comes with the job.
 
Doomsday101 said:
RGIII tried to leap a DB and then got his knee twisted while scrambling in the back field on a pass play, that happens to a lot of QB. Hell Romo has been injured himself it kind of comes with the job.
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Scrambling, running, passing, whatever. He destroyed his knee and it will never be the same again.
 
funny if Rogers takes off because there is a ton of space in front of him and he gains 20 yards or more it was great, well the pistol is not forcing the QB to run, hell if the opening is there he can take off but he can pass out of it he can pitch out of it he can run a counter off of it there are so many option available to him.
 
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