Clay Mathews on how to stop read option: "Hit the QB"

[bayeslife]

Is that really the depth of your analysis? lol...

Sorry, it's hard to respond to something with as little substance as "a million times more successful".

I could probably give you a better response if you wanna explain in your own opinion why you think the pistol is so much better than the wildcat you could quantify it a million times?

@Doomsday101 I can direct this question to you as well, since you never really gave me actual reasons why the offenses are that much of a "big difference", as you said.

I will concede that the read-option is a scheme or philosophy, while the Wildcat was just a formation. However, both of them are impossible to disguise and have historically shown to fail when defensive coordinators have figured them out. The read option is a very simple offense, so there's not a lot you can run out of it that won't be figured out eventually.

Additionally, I'm going to quote this article: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...transforming-defenses-to-stop-the-read-option

"According to Pro Football Focus, the Atlanta Falcons missed 10 tackles in the NFC Championship game. Run those numbers throughout the year and you see, quite predictably, that teams facing the read-option missed more tackles than those facing a conventional running system."

The offense forces you to play disciplined football. If forces making the defenders take better angles. I watch these games and I see the QBs just run around defenders who didn't set the edge, or take bad angles, and they could have stopped the play dead. As a matter of fact, the Cowboys were stopping the read option just fine, but they weren't playing disciplined football against Alfred Morris, who made up for RGknee's horrifyingly bad performance.

And when the defense starts to play more disciplined football, the QBs are going to get smashed. Once that happens, the Seahawks and Commanders offenses are going to be a lot more tame, because both have shown that they can't win it on their arm alone. Kaepernick is honestly the only one who's an actual good pocket passer.

Albeit the offense is harder to defend than the Wildcat, both are simply something that caught everyone by surprise.

 

[Doomsday101]

Sorry, it's hard to respond to something with as little substance as "a million times more successful".

I could probably give you a better response if you wanna explain in your own opinion why you think the pistol is so much better than the wildcat you could quantify it a million times?

@Doomsday101 I can direct this question to you as well, since you never really gave me actual reasons why the offenses are that much of a "big difference", as you said.

I will concede that the read-option is a scheme or philosophy, while the Wildcat was just a formation. However, both of them are impossible to disguise and have historically shown to fail when defensive coordinators have figured them out. The read option is a very simple offense, so there's not a lot you can run out of it that won't be figured out eventually.

Additionally, I'm going to quote this article: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...transforming-defenses-to-stop-the-read-option

"According to Pro Football Focus, the Atlanta Falcons missed 10 tackles in the NFC Championship game. Run those numbers throughout the year and you see, quite predictably, that teams facing the read-option missed more tackles than those facing a conventional running system."

The offense forces you to play disciplined football. If forces making the defenders take better angles. I watch these games and I see the QBs just run around defenders who didn't set the edge, or take bad angles, and they could have stopped the play dead. As a matter of fact, the Cowboys were stopping the read option just fine, but they weren't playing disciplined football against Alfred Morris, who made up for RGknee's horrifyingly bad performance.

And when the defense starts to play more disciplined football, the QBs are going to get smashed. Once that happens, the Seahawks and Commanders offenses are going to be a lot more tame, because both have shown that they can't win it on their arm alone. Kaepernick is honestly the only one who's an actual good pocket passer.

Read option alone is but then the pistol is much more than that using various formation and personel groupings. They can come out 3 wide, Trip, 2 back, 2 TE they can run traps and counters out of it. Trying to stop one aspect of it is not the key stopping it as a whole is. The wildcat there was not much to it, the RB got the ball directly from center and ran it. This offense is much more complex than read option alone. As the inventor of the pistol said you can run out of the formation without having a mobil QB as Chris Ault who invented the pistol as said. If all you are doing is looking to hit the QB then you are in for a long day with the pistol offense

any offense can be stopped but to claim it was a gimmic I think it pretty short sighted when there is so much more to it.

 

[footballnflstyle]

In this situation, the unblocked defender ALWAYS hits the QB. No exceptions. That being the case, the RB will get the ball most of the time. From there it's up to the DT's & MLB to get to the RB.
To succeed in defending this play, players have to ignore the attempted trickery and stick tio their assignments. The unblocked player hits the QB every time. If he's quick enough, like a Ware or a Spencer, the 3rd option, the pass can be limited due to a lack of time to throw the ball.
That's the theory anyway.

The unblocked defender can't get in the backfield quick enough to deter what the QB reads,the QB knows who the unblocked guy will be before the snap,when the ball is snapped the QB is looking right at the unblocked defender in a second makes his decision to give it to the back or step around to avoid the charging defender or throw the ball from the pocket..

 

[bayeslife]

Read option alone is but then the pistol is much more than that using various formation and personel groupings. They can come out 3 wide, Trip, 2 back, 2 TE they can run traps and counters out of it. Trying to stop one aspect of it is not the key stopping it as a whole is. The wildcat there was not much to it, the RB got the ball directly from center and ran it. This offense is much more complex than read option alone. As the inventor of the pistol said you can run out of the formation without having a mobil QB as Chris Ault who invented the pistol as said. If all you are doing is looking to hit the QB then you are in for a long day with the pistol offense

any offense can be stopped but to claim it was a gimmic I think it pretty short sighted when there is so much more to it.

Well yes, the pistol is basically a normal offensive scheme, like the WCO as you said. There really isn't much to stopping the pistol, just defend it like other formations. But you CAN run a read option out of the pistol. I don't think the pistol offense itself is a gimmick, just the spread option.

 

[Doomsday101]

Well yes, the pistol is basically a normal offensive scheme, like the WCO as you said. There really isn't much to stopping the pistol, just defend it like other formations. But you CAN run a read option out of the pistol. I don't think the pistol offense itself is a gimmick, just the spread option.

The problem is you can run the option at any point in the offense, defense can't sit there keying on just that portion of it but to stop a run option defense do have to key it. I guess the best way to explain it because you are running so many other things out of the pistol it is hard to key on just one aspect of it. Morris got most of his yards on those damn cut back runs that Shannahan ran in Denver now if you key on RGIII running the ball they will just come up and run Morris on the back side or they use 3 WR and run a man to an open area because the defender can't play the QB and the pass at the same time. They get you guessing and that is what offense wants to keep defense guessing and off balance. Hell if we knew what was coming it would be easy to stop such as the wildcat but this offense comes with a lot of variations to it with a lot of different packages.

As I mentioned in an earlier post it is not RGIII that worries me it is those same zone blocking cut back runs that Shannahan ran so often and with success in Denver. He took some decent backs and produced big time running teams. RGIII was not facing a lot of 2nd and 8 or 3rd and long his offense kept him in great down and distance allowing them to pull anything they wanted out of their playbook

 

[footballnflstyle]

The problem is you can run the option at any point in the offense, defense can't sit there keying on just that portion of it but to stop a run option defense do have to key it. I guess the best way to explain it because you are running so many other things out of the pistol it is hard to key on just one aspect of it. Morris got most of his yards on those damn cut back runs that Shannahan ran in Denver now if you key on RGIII running the ball they will just come up and run Morris on the back side or they use 3 WR and run a man to an open area because the defender can't play the QB and the pass at the same time. They get you guessing and that is what offense wants to keepdefense guessing and off balance. Hell if we knew what was coming it would be easy to stop such as the wildcat but this offense comes with a lot of variations to it with a lot of different packages.

As I mentioned in an earlier post it is not RGIII that worries me it is those same zone blocking cut back runs that Shannahan ran so often and with success in Denver. He took some decent backs and produced big time running teams. RGIII was not facing a lot of 2nd and 8 or 3rd and long his offense kept him in great down and distance allowing them to pull anything they wanted out of their playbook

Well said..