Clayton: The best play in NFL free agency is to be in position to pass

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Cowboys aren't in a position to pass. They just have too many positions to upgrade and not enough money.

Its funny to hear homers justify everything by brushing it off. Yet if we actually managed the cap properly and had more money, they would be bragging about that. Right now its simply smart not signing anybody in their minds.
 

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I, for one, am glad we're being smart and not overspending for marginal players.

*looks at combined cap hit of over 18 million for Brandon Carr and Barry Church*

*hits inhaler*

I agree. The only thing I would have liked to see them do was sign Miller.
 

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Its funny to hear homers justify everything by brushing it off. Yet if we actually managed the cap properly and had more money, they would be bragging about that. Right now its simply smart not signing anybody in their minds.

yeah because we are going to have to sign our offense lineman. in the near future.. and Orlando scandrick is a pretty darn good corner....
 

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John Clayton wrote a very good article saying that the best teams in the NFL don;t go spend crazy in the NFL during FA. This is why I keep my mouth shut about the cowboys lack of activity in FA.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...bowl-contenders-sat-sidelines-free-agency-far

they are correct. You have to draft well. Outside of 1st round I don't think we can say Dallas drafts well. Thus their currently philosophy is more empirical dreaming then having sound approach.
 

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I would hope that they can find a better option at SS than Church. I also wish that J.J. Wilcox was a competent option, so they could release Church and have nearly 4M to spend for another safety option, or to help fill other areas of need.

Church has limitations, but he's also got things he does well. I'd like to see him relegated to more situational play.
I have no more hope of Wilcox developing. He's the younger player, but he's the one I'd replace with a mid-round pick if the right guy is there.
 

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I don't really mind Carr's retention last year. It irked me, but it was forgivable. He did have us over a barrel and well, they wanted to keep the band together after a good season, while trying to add to the pass rush. That's cool with me.

What won't be cool, is if this "renegotiation" drags on. Any "renegotiation" that doesn't involve an outright cut immediately will involve us having to obtain leverage, and that means at least bringing in one CB. That's probably why we're trying to hammer a deal out with Nolan ASAP. Carr's agent, and rightfully so, isn't going to begin serious negotiations until that CB is brought in. His client is under contract, he knows he's not going to be released until Dallas has brought in someone, and he knows his client can enter the market anytime and still get a decent contract.

That hurts us. Every day agents and lawyers are in negotiation is detrimental. The last thing we want is for Carr's agent to drag this out, which he'll attempt to do to balance the leverage.

I hope we're able to show strength, give him a timetable, and then release him if need be. The last thing I want is for the buffalo to be picked dry because we wanted to renegotiate with Carr.



I see a cap savings of 4.25 according to overthecap. His cap hit is 4.75.

Maybe I'm just a little more cold, (I like to think I'm objective), but players get cut in the last year of their contracts all the time. That's the business. Nostalgia and because it was a good deal previously don't factor into my thinking when I see that. He also got laid 2.75 mill last year, which was a good deal for him, so it's not like he "took one for the team".

I'm honestly looking at that 4.25 figure after he got 2.75 last year and I'm shocked. It's a foolish number. It honestly makes me laugh a little. There's no justification for it given Barry's performance. It tells me that we are either too lazy to find a replacement, or really just don't give a ****. Which is fine I guess, but from a business standpoint it just makes you look dumb.

If it's me, at CB, I wait for the overheated market to cool a bit, bring in a middling vet (which is essentially what Carr gives us right now), sign them to a reasonable deal. Then I call Caliborne and nicely say 'because you're younger, you get the offer first. Here's what we'd like to do....' 24 hours later, I'd give Carr his bottom-line and see if one of them takes it. At that point, the market for older CBs will be fairly well-set and Carr can feel good that he'd be taking a market-rate pay cut to stay put (just like Doug Free did two years ago). The only moving part is whether or not Mo wants to sign at our number or not.
That's the risk Carr ran when he didn't lock in this year's contract when we approached I'm last season. No harm, no foul. Had Claiborne played poorly, his bet was a good one. As it was, it didn't hurt him much, but now he has no leverage.

Re: Safeties, my thing with those guys is that I really don't think Wilcox can play in any situation where the ball is not in front of him. I've given up on him completely. Church has physical limitations, but he's got leadership qualities, and he's smart. I think he's a solid situational player and a good team guy to have around. I might offer to extend him and spread out some of his money over next year if he were open to it, but that's about it. But Wilcox is the guy I'd replace, with a combination of snaps for Jeff Heath (yeah, I said 'Jeff Heath' you animals) and a draft pick.
 

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If it's me, at CB, I wait for the overheated market to cool a bit, bring in a middling vet (which is essentially what Carr gives us right now), sign them to a reasonable deal. Then I call Caliborne and nicely say 'because you're younger, you get the offer first. Here's what we'd like to do....' 24 hours later, I'd give Carr his bottom-line and see if one of them takes it. At that point, the market for older CBs will be fairly well-set and Carr can feel good that he'd be taking a market-rate pay cut to stay put (just like Doug Free did two years ago). The only moving part is whether or not Mo wants to sign at our number or not.
That's the risk Carr ran when he didn't lock in this year's contract when we approached I'm last season. No harm, no foul. Had Claiborne played poorly, his bet was a good one. As it was, it didn't hurt him much, but now he has no leverage.

Re: Safeties, my thing with those guys is that I really don't think Wilcox can play in any situation where the ball is not in front of him. I've given up on him completely. Church has physical limitations, but he's got leadership qualities, and he's smart. I think he's a solid situational player and a good team guy to have around. I might offer to extend him and spread out some of his money over next year if he were open to it, but that's about it. But Wilcox is the guy I'd replace, with a combination of snaps for Jeff Heath (yeah, I said 'Jeff Heath' you animals) and a draft pick.

I agree with that plan. My only hesitation is, with teams flush with cash this off-season, the market "cooling" timeline and availability is less predictable. And as much as I'd like to wait it out and still get a productive player, I don't know if that's going to happen this year and I really don't want just another dude out there, not after an 8int season, especially if we don't significantly address the pass rush. I'm pretty confident we're going DB in the first few rounds, but even first year players are risky. We'll see I guess.

Church may be smart, a leader, what have you, but he's a liability in coverage and this isn't about being sentimental. I want to win football games and, at the safety position, you do that by defending the pass and forcing turnovers, Barry does neither unfortunately.

I'm looking at that 4.25 million and thinking how I can add a guy who's going to positively impact the passing differential and add some turnovers to my defense. You could get an improvement back there. Reggie Nelson is still available and would cost around the same amount on a 1 year deal. Put Byron at SS for the year and let him drop down and cover TE's. You just drastically improved your pass coverage and added a guy who forced as many picks by himself as our defense did last year.

I get it, they like their guys. But you're still paying a premium for a guy who's only significant attribute is his run defense, which we all know doesn't really matter in winning football games. I actually think Byron would be quicker to diagnose plays anyway, so the drop off in run defense would probably be negligible.
 
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yeah because we are going to have to sign our offense lineman. in the near future.. and Orlando scandrick is a pretty darn good corner....

If you dont have to use FA like the Giants did, then more power to you. That is a great thing. But the Cowboys are two fold. They have lots of needs, but they dont have the money because of poor cap management. So giving them a free pass simply because they are being economic doesnt really apply. After listening to Jerry, he is clearly on a win now, Romo window strategy. That is actually the time to spend bigger in FA. Like what Denver did. They knew Manning had a few years left only and went out and spent big to fill the holes in the defense. The problem for Dallas is that not only do they have a lot more holes than Denver did, but I cant say I have the confidence in management to go as nuts as Denver did and do it properly. And they dont have any cap room. FA is for those last one or two key guys. Not when you need to fill 8 holes on your team.
 

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they are correct. You have to draft well. Outside of 1st round I don't think we can say Dallas drafts well. Thus their currently philosophy is more empirical dreaming then having sound approach.

They dont have the money. Its as simple as that.
 

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If it's me, at CB, I wait for the overheated market to cool a bit, bring in a middling vet (which is essentially what Carr gives us right now), sign them to a reasonable deal. Then I call Caliborne and nicely say 'because you're younger, you get the offer first. Here's what we'd like to do....' 24 hours later, I'd give Carr his bottom-line and see if one of them takes it. At that point, the market for older CBs will be fairly well-set and Carr can feel good that he'd be taking a market-rate pay cut to stay put (just like Doug Free did two years ago). The only moving part is whether or not Mo wants to sign at our number or not.
That's the risk Carr ran when he didn't lock in this year's contract when we approached I'm last season. No harm, no foul. Had Claiborne played poorly, his bet was a good one. As it was, it didn't hurt him much, but now he has no leverage.

Re: Safeties, my thing with those guys is that I really don't think Wilcox can play in any situation where the ball is not in front of him. I've given up on him completely. Church has physical limitations, but he's got leadership qualities, and he's smart. I think he's a solid situational player and a good team guy to have around. I might offer to extend him and spread out some of his money over next year if he were open to it, but that's about it. But Wilcox is the guy I'd replace, with a combination of snaps for Jeff Heath (yeah, I said 'Jeff Heath' you animals) and a draft pick.

I have to agree. The Cowboys arent winning the SB this year so I see no reason to cut Church. And as you said, he can play SS and provide leadership while Jones develops. But more importantly, we have no one else to play the position.
 

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I have to agree. The Cowboys arent winning the SB this year so I see no reason to cut Church. And as you said, he can play SS and provide leadership while Jones develops. But more importantly, we have no one else to play the position.

I think people don't want to cut Church because they're scared they might get a turd in their communion bowl.
 

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Will y'all stop putting our entire 2015 season on Tony being out.

1) coaches not good enough to win a few games without him!!!not smart enough to prepare for it.

2)we have 1-2 guys who can play defense. Most of our starters would sit the bench on good teams .

3) we lost our 1 year identity of being a power team. The real reason for our 4-12 season was because of our pathetic off season last year. I'm Scared because it's being simulated this year to a point.
 

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Will y'all stop putting our entire 2015 season on Tony being out.

1) coaches not good enough to win a few games without him!!!not smart enough to prepare for it.

2)we have 1-2 guys who can play defense. Most of our starters would sit the bench on good teams .

3) we lost our 1 year identity of being a power team. The real reason for our 4-12 season was because of our pathetic off season last year. I'm Scared because it's being simulated this year to a point.

And we were in every game except for a couple. No reason to think we don't have pieces to work with.
 
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