Coach, player reach agreement on workouts

[adbutcher]

GIBBS' SILENCE IS DEAFENING


Rich...........

:laugh2: you beat me to it.

 

[DallasInDC]

...Skins fans a wee bit hypocritical...

That is the understatment of the century. I recall a certain safety, cough sean taylor cough, who skipped all of the voluntary workouts last year to work out at the "U" with his hoodlum friends and ended up being charged with a felony. Don't forget he also didn't return any of the Great Gibb's phone calls.

I guess it is much better be involved in a crime and totally disregard your coach than to call out your organization and QB, or come to agreement with your coach on voluntary work outs. Sheesh.

 

[aikemirv]

I agree.

Not that I don't agree with Adam's point that the Skins fans a wee bit hypocritical, but it's apples and oranges. It's the same thing when you commit a felony. The first-time offenders get it lighter than the repeat offenders.

You would hope a player who just got finished telling us in his press conference how he had changed and wouldn't make the same mistakes, wouldn't start his offseason missing one of Parcells' biggest requirements of his players.

It could all be blown out of proportion but I'd be lying if I didn't admit that TO missing the 'voluntary' workouts has me a bit worried.

 

[Zaxor]

I don't agree.

There is media bias where they feel they can make a story.

Archuleta? No one outside of true football fans have heard of him.

Owens? Everyone knows him.

Parcells/Owens is a much better story.

I agree what ever sells the best is gonna get the press

 

[theogt]

I agree.

Not that I don't agree with Adam's point that the Skins fans a wee bit hypocritical, but it's apples and oranges. It's the same thing when you commit a felony. The first-time offenders get it lighter than the repeat offenders.

You would hope a player who just got finished telling us in his press conference how he had changed and wouldn't make the same mistakes, wouldn't start his offseason missing one of Parcells' biggest requirements of his players.

It could all be blown out of proportion but I'd be lying if I didn't admit that TO missing the 'voluntary' workouts has me a bit worried.

Talk about a completely inapt analogy.

 

[Doomsday101]

Adam Archuleta has never been known as a troublemaker. He has been known as a guy who does a plyometrics based workout. Totally different situation from TO.

I agree. It is called a history and TO has a troubled history Archuleta does not so of course the media will keep a closer eye on TO. On the flip side TO uses the media to his benifets over the years as well and craves their attention.

 

[AdamJT13]

Not that I don't agree with Adam's point that the Skins fans a wee bit hypocritical, but it's apples and oranges.

The fans I was referring to commented that a coach making different rules for different players makes him lose credibility and control of his team. (I responded by posting a quote from Jimmy Johnson about how he had different rules for different players.) They didn't say anything about making rules for players who used to cause trouble vs. players who didn't -- although I suppose they'd change their argument to that now.

 

[aikemirv]

The fans I was referring to commented that a coach making different rules for different players makes him lose credibility and control of his team. (I responded by posting a quote from Jimmy Johnson about how he had different rules for different players.) They didn't say anything about making rules for players who used to cause trouble vs. players who didn't -- although I suppose they'd change their argument to that now.

I don't remember anyone saying he would lose credibility or control of his team. I was saying that this was a good opportunity for him to bond with teammates, which is one of BP's stated purposes for the workouts, and thus reduce the opportunity for trouble with teammates down the road.

People dismissed that idea saying that these guys don't necessarily workout together, but I don't believe that theory. Guys used to always workout with LA when he was doing his benchpress thing. I remember reading about the guys coming together for this sort of thing.

Also BP was saying that his Giant teams were run by the Oline as a group. I would bet those guys worked out together all the time.

It can build a lot of comradery!

 

[iceberg]

I think Adam's point was missed by some. ESPN made a big deal about Parcells allowing TO to do some of his conditioning with his own regimen but nothing is said by ESPN when Gibbs does the same thing with Archuleta.

There is definitely media bias in favor of Gibbs.

TO farts, it's a headline. archawho???

it's got nothing to do with bias and all to do w/name recognition by the short term memories of us fans. : )

 

[Idgit]

I agree. It is called a history and TO has a troubled history Archuleta does not so of course the media will keep a closer eye on TO. On the flip side TO uses the media to his benifets over the years as well and craves their attention.

TO doesn't have a troubled history re: workouts, and that's the only thing at issue at this point of the offseason.

The whole issue is such a ridiculous non-story, I'm embarrassed to be taking time to address it in a chat room.

 

[Doomsday101]

TO doesn't have a troubled history re: workouts, and that's the only thing at issue at this point of the offseason.

The whole issue is such a ridiculous non-story, I'm embarrassed to be taking time to address it in a chat room.

Sorry he has not been shipped out from 2 teams for being a good guy. I hope things work out in Dallas but he has history that is well documented. As for this recent situation according to the Cowboys they have an agreement with TO on this so your right that is not an issue now

 

[31smackdown]

I still don't really understand the double standard... that based off passed fallouts with teams that TO should be held to different rules than an Archeleta. This is the whole point.. you treat them the same.

Keyshawn had a fallout with his previous team and had lockerroom issues in NY(Chrebet)... BP still let him fly home to LA every week

Joey Galloway used to workout at Ohio st.

Shockey works out in Miami, same as Edgerrin James.

People.. this is not incredibly uncommon.. it's a non-issue.. period.. for any player or team... it's not a distraction.. we are talking about an off-season workout program, not team meetings and minicamps.

Adam's post just further points out that there was no need for fans or anyone to have raised concerns about Owens workout schedule.

 

[AdamJT13]

I don't remember anyone saying he would lose credibility or control of his team.

This was one comment by a Cowboys fan --

"Whenver a team compromises it's rules and policies for the sake of one player it can only erode authority and credibility. It doesn't matter what the circumstances are or how talented the player. The other 52 players all rightfully question why they live under a different set of rules. It is hypocrisy and players sense it."

 

[Doomsday101]

I still don't really understand the double standard... that based off passed fallouts with teams that TO should be held to different rules than an Archeleta. This is the whole point.. you treat them the same.

Keyshawn had a fallout with his previous team and had lockerroom issues in NY(Chrebet)... BP still let him fly home to LA every week

Joey Galloway used to workout at Ohio st.

Shockey works out in Miami, same as Edgerrin James.

People.. this is not incredibly uncommon.. it's a non-issue.. period.. for any player or team... it's not a distraction.. we are talking about an off-season workout program, not team meetings and minicamps.

Adam's post just further points out that there was no need for fans or anyone to have raised concerns about Owens workout schedule.

It may be a double standard but the fact is because of TO past it will get more attention than a player who has no past history of problems. For me this is not about the work out schedule it is about doing what is asked of you by the coach. Now if Bill and TO have come to an agreement then great but the reason this has gotten the attention it has it is because of his past problems.

 

[aikemirv]

If you don't learn from the past, you are doomed to repeat it.

 

[31smackdown]

It may be a double standard but the fact is because of TO past it will get more attention than a player who has no past history of problems. For me this is not about the work out schedule it is about doing what is asked of you by the coach. Now if Bill and TO have come to an agreement then great but the reason this has gotten the attention it has it is because of his past problems.

I agree.. and honestly Shockey faced the same scrutiny here in NY last year with Coughlin. Coughlin would say that he preferred Shockey to be with the team, but Shockey felt that he got a much better workout in Miami, to prepare him for the season. I think this was after Shockey tried to do it Coughlin's way the year before.

I'm pretty sure it became a non-issue once mini-camp started and Shockey was definitely in better shape.

 

[the kid 05]

Trouble in Big 'W'

the win coloum ? :

 

[Bob Sacamano]

It may be a double standard but the fact is because of TO past it will get more attention than a player who has no past history of problems. For me this is not about the work out schedule it is about doing what is asked of you by the coach. Now if Bill and TO have come to an agreement then great but the reason this has gotten the attention it has it is because of his past problems.

I haven't read or heard anything that said that Parcells told TO that it would be a good idea to attend the voluntary workouts, and TO declined, and I'm sure TO brought up that he would be working out on his own when he was excused to attend personal matters, so I'm pretty sure Parcells knew beforehand that TO would be working out on his own, and they came to a mutual agreement

so from all accounts, TO hasn't broken any rules, he hasn't brushed off Parcells, it's a non-issue guys

 

[Doomsday101]

I haven't read or heard anything that said that Parcells told TO that it would be a good idea to attend the voluntary workouts, and TO declined, and I'm sure TO brought up that he would be working out on his own when he was excused to attend personal matters, so I'm pretty sure Parcells knew beforehand that TO would be working out on his own, and they came to a mutual agreement

so from all accounts, TO hasn't broken any rules, he hasn't brushed off Parcells, it's a non-issue guys

I did not say he broke any rules I said I expect TO like any other player to do what is asked of them. I have also stated this was no longer an issue, Jones came out and said there was an agreement be it ahead of time or just recently but regardless both sides are in agreement now. I'm not trying to go out of my way to slam TO I have my doubts this relationship is going to work out and with very good reason I have seen his action in the past and have seen how it has worn thin with the only 2 clubs he has played on. So I'm not hiding my head in the sand of the type of person the Cowboys are dealing with even Jimmy Johnson statements says a lot about TO the player.

Jimmy Johnson:
I don't mind a little tension on a good team," Johnson said. "But on a struggling team, it will destroy you. And in the long run on any kind of team, it's not good.

"With Terrell, he's going to be disruptive. He's going to be yelling at Drew [Bledsoe], he's going to divide your locker room. It may be sooner, it may be later, but it will be a negative for your team.

"If you want his talent, you've also got to be willing to accept that."

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I did not say he broke any rules I said I expect TO like any other player to do what is asked of them.

but what I'm saying is, so far, he hasn't not done what was asked of him