Coaches validate Harrison's rep as NFL's dirtiest player... Roy #2

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By Mike Sando
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Updated: July 1, 2008
FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- The large medicine ball Rodney Harrison tossed around during a recent New England Patriots practice was no match for the veteran strong safety.


Harrison sat on a sideline, knees bent, extending his arms to the left as far as they could reach. He snatched the weighted ball and tossed it back across his body to a teammate in one core-shredding motion.



The exhausting exercise isn't the only feat of endurance familiar to Harrison. He has spent the bulk of his 14-year NFL career lugging around the baggage that comes with being thought of as the league's dirtiest player.



The label, reinforced through an ESPN.com poll of NFL head coaches, is not without basis. Fines and suspensions long ago became part of the cost of doing business for this two-time Pro Bowl choice. But Harrison's reputation, fueled by a penchant for playing up to the whistle and perhaps a tick beyond, might overshadow evidence that other players deserve as much or more scrutiny for questionable on-field tactics.



A review of data since 2001 shows Arizona Cardinals safety Adrian Wilson with a league-high 17 personal fouls. Harrison and New Orleans Saints defensive end Will Smith are tied for second with 14, followed by Patriots defensive lineman Richard Seymour (13), Miami Dolphins defensive end Jason Taylor (12), late Washington Commanders safety Sean Taylor (12) and Cleveland Browns defensive lineman Shaun Rogers (11).



The numbers suggest Harrison's name belongs in the first paragraph of any discussion about the NFL's dirtiest players -- but perhaps not at the exclusion of others.



Harrison drew two personal-foul penalties last season. Seventeen players drew more, but none of them earned even one vote from head coaches as the league's dirtiest player. Coaches, encouraged not to vote for their own players, were granted anonymity for their candor.




"Sometimes reputation precedes people, and unfairly at times," Harrison said.



Eleven of the 18 head coaches who responded singled out Harrison.



"I think if you understand me and you've seen me play, if you watch the film, you'll see that I play hard, that I'm very fair with people," Harrison said. "I think I've been getting a bad rap and that's just part of it."



Dallas Cowboys safety Roy Williams, notorious for horse-collar tackling, finished second in the coaches' poll with two votes. Four players drew one vote apiece: New York Giants linebacker Antonio Pierce, Pittsburgh Steelers receiver Hines Ward, Tennessee Titans center Kevin Mawae and Chicago Bears center Olin Kreutz. One head coach said he couldn't think of a truly dirty player, a sentiment shared by those who think hefty fines have curtailed the most flagrant violations.

"When I came in the league [in 1999], I saw a lot more dirty players," Denver Broncos cornerback Champ Bailey said. "Guys were poking you on the bottom of the pile and chop blocking and all that stuff. But I think it has been cut down."

As for Harrison? "I think he'd be a good teammate because he brings an attitude and sets the tone," Bailey said, "but he can be dirty."

Not so, Harrison's defenders say.

Former Patriots receiver Deion Branch drew a line between Harrison's hard-nosed play and the approach Houston Texans defensive lineman Travis Johnson took after knocking out then-Miami Dolphins quarterback Trent Green with a legal hit last season. Johnson stood over the fallen Green and taunted him.

"[Harrison] is not that type of dude, I promise you," Branch said. "He's not going to go into a game and try to hurt someone. I can speak like this because I played with him. And I know for the people who didn't play with him, you could understand why they would say it, but he is not that type of guy. That is not his game."

Personal-foul penalties aren't the only way to measure a player's dirtiness. Just as a skilled criminal avoids detection, a player with sinister intentions might develop ways to inflict damage when officials aren't looking.

Harrison, 3 5, has been dishing out punishment in the NFL since 1994. The league has fined and suspended him repeatedly, including in 2002 when he leveled all-time receiving leader Jerry Rice with a helmet-to-helmet shot.

Most head coac hes polled by ESPN.com identified Harrison quickly and without equivocation.

"That's not a surprise," Broncos receiver Brandon Stokley said. "I would have bet my life savings on that one."

Stokley also singled out Tennessee Titans cornerback Cortland Finnegan as a player with bad intentions. Finnegan, a former small-school prospect and seventh-round draft choice, has become popular in Tennessee for playing with an edge. But his name hasn't shown up among those with the most personal fouls.

"It really doesn't bother me," Stokley said. "It's a part of it and it's a violent, aggressive game. As long as guys don't take it too far. I really don't think it's a big problem in the league."

Harrison, who has expressed an interest in becoming an NFL official after retirement, has led the league in personal fouls once since 2001. That was in 2004, when he had five. He had zero in 2002 and 2006. His 14 personal fouls since 2001 include four for unnecessary roughness, three for roughing the passer, two for face masks and five that fell into a "generic" category featuring unspecified infractions, according to ESPN research.

Wilson leads the league with eight unnecessary roughness penalties since 2001. Cardinals linebacker Chike Okeafor leads with eight for roughing the passer. Atlanta Falcons linebacker Keith Brooking, Green Bay Packers cornerback Al Wilson and former Tampa Bay Bucs offensive tackle Kenyatta Walker each had a league-high five personal-foul face mask penalties.



Put them in a lineup with Harrison, however, and the prime suspect is No. 37.

"It's something that I can't change," Harrison said. "If someone thinks that of me, that is what they think. But if you talk to the guys that have played with me, the guys that before I come to a team and played with, they say, 'You are a dirty son of a gun, but I would love to have you on my team.' But I'm not dirty. I just play hard."

Mike Sando covers the NFL for ESPN.com.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=sando_mike&id=3439800
 

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Roy isn't dirty, he just can't figure out how to not horse collar. More dumb than dirty in that sense.
 

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abersonc;2132643 said:
Roy isn't dirty, he just can't figure out how to not horse collar. More dumb than dirty in that sense.

I agree. I'd actually be pleased if he was a truly dirty player. It would show more spark and passion than he's shown in recent years.

I may be a bit off, but I always enjoyed having a player or two like that on the roster. Erik Williams was absolutely filthy, but I loved him for it.
 

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Alexander;2132644 said:
I agree. I'd actually be pleased if he was a truly dirty player. It would show more spark and passion than he's shown in recent years.

Yeah, lets hope he aims for some QB's knees and knocks him out for the season.
 

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abersonc;2132643 said:
Roy isn't dirty, he just can't figure out how to not horse collar. More dumb than dirty in that sense.

Exactly. He's nothing like Harrison, who definitely knows he's crossing the line but doesn't care.
 

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Chocolate Lab;2132650 said:
Exactly. He's nothing like Harrison, who definitely knows he's crossing the line but doesn't care.

To get technical, horse collaring is crossing the line and I would hope he knows he shouldn't do it.
 

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Alexander;2132654 said:
To get technical, horse collaring is crossing the line and I would hope he knows he shouldn't do it.

So from what you said earlier, you like Roy? :D

Really though... Other than that, Roy doesn't do anything. Harrison hits after the whistle, gives forearms to the throat, goes for knees... He does it all.

And BTW, Wilfork and Vrabel should've made this list, too.
 

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Maybe it's just me, but I still think the Denver O-line and their chop blocking are dirtier than Roy and Harrison put together.

I don't really see either guy as dirty (I am talking about in comparison to someone like Conrad Dobler), though Harrison is closer to it than Roy is. Roy's only claim to this is a tackle that was legal for 80 years and then outlawed because he hurt a couple of people. I still find that stupid. Owens got hurt last year and he wasn't horse collared. Injuries happen in the game. The horse collar rule is an extreme over reaction.

Meanwhile chop blocking continues to be acceptable. Stupid.
 

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Alexander;2132654 said:
To get technical, horse collaring is crossing the line and I would hope he knows he shouldn't do it.
Horse collaring is more of a last resort thing to prevent a td. It was never seen as a dirty tactic 50+ years of play until now. All the nonsense that a "dirty player" does has more to do with taking cheap shots when they could have just made a tackle.
 

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Hostile;2132661 said:
Maybe it's just me, but I still think the Denver O-line and their chop blocking are dirtier than Roy and Harrison put together.

I don't really see either guy as dirty (I am talking about in comparison to someone like Conrad Dobler), though Harrison is closer to it than Roy is. Roy's only claim to this is a tackle that was legal for 80 years and then outlawed because he hurt a couple of people. I still find that stupid. Owens got hurt last year and he wasn't horse collared. Injuries happen in the game. The horse collar rule is an extreme over reaction.

Meanwhile chop blocking continues to be acceptable. Stupid.

Stupid. But legal.
 

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Roy Williams is dirty. Dont give me that crap, the guy was told, there was a rule about his tackles and He still does it. There has been many times he can tackle someone just fine and He chooses to horse collar. Either He's dirty or He's really stupid.

Just to clarify. I dont think the rule should even exist, it's not tha bad. One or two bplayers got injured and the NFL got out their sissy little rule book.
 

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Alexander;2132654 said:
To get technical, horse collaring is crossing the line and I would hope he knows he shouldn't do it.

If he doesn't know after several fines and a suspension last year then he's not going to learn
 

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abersonc;2132665 said:
Stupid. But legal.
I said it before and I'll say it again. You would rather I horse collar tackled you than my daughter chop block you.

There is simply no comparison on dirty.

Oh and Wilfolk would be my vote for dirtiest player.
 

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Hostile;2132669 said:
Oh and Wilfolk would be my vote for dirtiest player.

That whole NE line has a nasty and somewhat dirty streak -- I forget who was complaining about Seymour last year.
 

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DallasDomination;2132666 said:
Roy Williams is dirty. Dont give me that crap, the guy was told, there was a rule about his tackles and He still does it. There has been many times he can tackle someone just fine and He chooses to horse collar. Either He's dirty or He's really stupid.

At this point it is stupid. Everyone knew that he'd catch a 1 game suspension if he did it again. And he did. And we had to go to Carolina with Keith Davis at SS.
 

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DallasDomination;2132666 said:
Roy Williams is dirty. Dont give me that crap, the guy was told, there was a rule about his tackles and He still does it. There has been many times he can tackle someone just fine and He chooses to horse collar. Either He's dirty or He's really stupid.

Just to clarify. I dont think the rule should even exist, it's not tha bad. One or two bplayers got injured and the NFL got out their sissy little rule book.


Really stupid seems to be the consensus...and he does not care.:banghead:
 

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Harrison hasn't done as much recently but several years ago, when he was with the Chargers, he had a nasty reputation for trying to take players out at the knees and did it to a number of guys. Just looking at him from 2004 on doesn't really take that into account.

He was definitely a dirty player who went out of his way to injure guys and possibly end their careers.

Romanowski was another truly dirty player.
 

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Alexander;2132644 said:
I agree. I'd actually be pleased if he was a truly dirty player. It would show more spark and passion than he's shown in recent years.
I've said it 1000 times, but people don't care (or usually even know) if he's a good player or not. They just want to be entertained with big hits. Once he brings back the big hits, people will thinks he's "back."

abersonc;2132684 said:
That whole NE line has a nasty and somewhat dirty streak -- I forget who was complaining about Seymour last year.
Probably the guy he poked in the eye. But that was more grade-schoolish than dirty.
 

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Alexander;2132644 said:
I'd actually be pleased if he was a truly dirty player. It would show more spark and passion than he's shown in recent years.
You know........I agree with that!
 
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