Coaching a Franchise Quarterback

[Batman1980]

Marriota will toss us at least 2 picks in the hands tonight, hopefully it's to guys like Vander Esch and Smith who can actually catch.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Fredbeard is the most under-rated critical injury in the NFL this season.

In an article in The Athletic today they suggested FredBeard has a chance of coming back this season.

 

[Batman1980]

In an article in The Athletic today they suggested FredBeard has a chance of coming back this season.

I'll believe it when I see it. At this point they should probably just let the man recover and hope he will recover in time to be good to go for 2019 and beyond.

 

[TwoDeep3]

The hiring of Kellen Moore shows how unserious management is. We have a young starting QB who regressed. We promoted the water boy to coach him up, firing the one coach we had with real experience as a QB and a QB coach.

Truth.

 

[TwoDeep3]

I'll believe it when I see it. At this point they should probably just let the man recover and hope he will recover in time to be good to go for 2019 and beyond.

He can come back in week 14. He is hopeful, but that is still up in the air.

However...

He has been working with Looney - who has not had a penalty this season. And Colombo is utilizing FredBeard as a coach.

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

JG is a better coach than Dak is a QB- and that isn't saying much.

 

[TwoDeep3]

JG is a better coach than Dak is a QB- and that isn't saying much.

So which one gets the credit for 13-3 in 2016?

I saw Garrett clap a lot and use his index finger to indicate a 1 or 2 point extra point.

 

[Everson24]

It's clear as day to everyone except the Jones's that you can't keep Dak and Jason Garrett and expect more then mediocrity on any consistent basis.

The Cowboys have to pick between the 2. You can't keep Jason Garrett and Dak Prescott.

1 of them has to go.

If you keep both them you have to hope the Oline is just unbelievable again and Cole Beasley is 2016 level again.

The move is a new coach. It's obvious.

I'd replace both but since we have no first rounder then just replace the coach with a heavy RPO guy.

I think if we continue to flounder the second half of the season, you will see Scott Linehan fired and Steven and Jerry will attempt to bring in a young offensive coordinator that will better suit Dak's skill set.

I just don't think the Jones' want to start all over with a new head coach and new defensive coordinator when they really like the Richard hire and the direction the defense is going overall. In fact, I'll bet Jerry and Steven regret not firing Linehan after last season's debacle.

 

[CATCH17]

I think if we continue to flounder the second half of the season, you will see Scott Linehan fired and Steven and Jerry will attempt to bring in a young offensive coordinator that will better suit Dak's skill set.

I just don't think the Jones' want to start all over with a new head coach and new defensive coordinator when they really like the Richard hire and the direction the defense is going overall. In fact, I'll bet Jerry and Steven regret not firing Linehan after last season's debacle.

I completely agree.

It sucks but I agree.

I would go for Lincoln Riley.. I don't know if he makes it in the NFL but it would be refreshing and entertaining to see a guy like that throwing the kitchen sink at teams vs Garrett trying not to lose.

 

[sean10mm]

wouldn't it be easier to find a true starting quarterback.

Anybody you draft won't be a "true starting quarterback" out of college. Those guys all need development to some degree or another. And guys who are already good aren't allowed to hit the market at all.

So who is doing the development for the guy they dump Dak for? If the answer is nobody then you're just in the same place after dumping Dak as before.

Remember that Romo wasn't developed by Garrett, but by Parcells and Payton. Garrett has no track record of developing anybody.

 

[silvrNblue]

A lot of good points hit on here, I believe a lot of you like myself have already made the connection between JG and a HC who could actually use Dak's talents and make him a top 10 or maybe 15 QB. Prescott is NOT the only issue with this ball club, and I said it last year, Garrett was ruining what could have been a pretty solid QB in Dak. My for instance will be the Atlanta game with 1 guy getting 6 or 7 sacks on Dak and it going into the 4th qtr before the clapping nut bag made any changes on that side with Green basically swatting at air as the dude ran past him to our QB. Prescott imo hasn't been the same since. Add the Denver game, a 1 hr delay with them being up on us and already showing they had our #, and what did the clapping carrot do to adjust.... not a single thing. And we looked like a pop warner team from the restart on. JG may be a great howdy doody guy, but I can't stand him as our HC and can't wait for the day his butt gets shown the door. And anyone who thinks different, it was mentioned above so I''l just say it this way, look at the Rams and Goff...

 

[Dallasfann]

The one thing is it can continue the excuses for Dak until we pay him 100 million dollars and are the Oakland Raiders in 2/3 years.

Here is the timeline for the Dak excuse makers.

Last year - no zeke
This year - no offensive weapons, by the time we got Cooper it was too late. Fire Garrett
Next year - He struggled because he was learning a new play book from a new coach, give him big contract in off-season
2 Years - everyone starts to turns on Dak and realize he isn't very good and we do what we do best. Blame Jerry.
3 Years - 6-10 with an expensive QB and no money to bring back talent
4 Years - 6-10 - fire coach, draft QB. Have expensive QB on bench.

The non Dak excuse makers:

This Year - He's one of our weak points. Fire Garrett or don't I don't care either way here.
Next year - If he doesn't show huge improvement sign him to a low ball offer. If he accepts great, if not draft a early round QB and move on.
2 years - Start grooming new QB and hope we've landed a star. Still be able to sign our real talent and bring in Free agents.

I prefer the Non Dak excuse route because it gives us some hope of a future if Dak continues to look very average. I think at some point the players needs to get better regardless who is standing on the sideline watching him play. My boss is in the office 1 day a week since the day I've started. I've had to learn a lot of things by experience. I think Dak gets way too many excuses. He needs to play better. It's that simple.

 

[silvrNblue]

Anybody you draft won't be a "true starting quarterback" out of college. Those guys all need development to some degree or another. And guys who are already good aren't allowed to hit the market at all.

So who is doing the development for the guy they dump Dak for? If the answer is nobody then you're just in the same place after dumping Dak as before.

Remember that Romo wasn't developed by Garrett, but by Parcells and Payton. Garrett has no track record of developing anybody.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Anybody you draft won't be a "true starting quarterback" out of college. Those guys all need development to some degree or another. And guys who are already good aren't allowed to hit the market at all.

So who is doing the development for the guy they dump Dak for? If the answer is nobody then you're just in the same place after dumping Dak as before.

Remember that Romo wasn't developed by Garrett, but by Parcells and Payton. Garrett has no track record of developing anybody.

I think the implication is the team bottoms out next year and you pick a QB from the top of the first. But that is conjecture on my part.

 

[Risen Star]

Hey is this where we blame Dak Prescott's lack of talent on coaches?

First you need to have a franchise QB before you can coach one.

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

So which one gets the credit for 13-3 in 2016?

I saw Garrett clap a lot and use his index finger to indicate a 1 or 2 point extra point.

Ranking coaches is admittedly subjective, but most rankings have Garrett in the middle of the pack: 15-17. FWIW, NFL.com has Garrett ranked as the 15th best coach in the NFL. Dak, objectively ranked is the 22nd QB in the league by total QBR, and ranked #24 by passer rating.

 

[Number1]

not what most people want to hear but IMO, Jason and Wad Wilson did good jobs developing Tony and Dak

Kellen Moore is a really odd duck to me ... + new OL and WR coaches

Jason has to pull off to sync this bunch

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I was driving yesterday and heard a comment on 105.3 in Dallas. They were quoting a sports analyst - unfortunately I didn't get his name.

He - the analyst - was speaking about the Cleveland Browns firing Hue Jackson and Todd Haley. The school of thought was that the Browns knew bringing along Baker Mayfield needed a head coach who could groom the rookie.

Neither Jackson or Haley had the skills to make this kid a winner, so the Browns thought.

That started me thinking about Dallas and Garrett and Dak.

I concede Dak has accuracy issues. He needs a clean field of vision and protection for his accuracy to be maximized. Saw Romo talking about his rise to become who he was and in college the head coach told him he wasn't all that accurate. Romo worked on throwing with accuracy from every platform - read angle of ball delivery - and improved to the point he won the starting job.

Perhaps what is needed is a head coach that can bring Dak along, work him on the different delivery platforms and to maximize his talents.

It would also help strengthening the offensive line to the level of 2016. But Dak needs to win the battle between him and the defensive coordinators who throw numbers to overwhelm the line and move Dak out of his comfort zone.

And this goes back to receivers getting open.

Returning to the point of this thread, while we all have reasons for liking or disliking Garrett, perhaps the more accurate tact in his stay or leave is his ability to bring out the best in Dak, and make him a winner.

I don't believe Garrett has that ability, nor does Kellen Moore impress me as a guy that can inspire a player to be the best he can be.

Opinions?

I don't argue with your point, but also, some responsibility bears on Dak. There is no denying his heart and leadership, but his skills lack. they lacked in college. they lacked in three years he has been in the league. While most coaches will work on the mental part of the game, reading defenses, reacting to defenses, using their eyes to manipulate the defense, etc. the QBs have to recognize their short comings and work on it separately. Tom Brady at 40 and 5 superbowl rings and 8 superbowl appearances and a GOAT, still goes to a throwing coach every summer and tweaks his throws. With that said, Dak's defensive reads haven't improved neither. Maybe he is what he is...a flawed QB, who had a hot start, teased us all and is back to what he really is.....

you simply can't solely blame coaches for not developing QBs, there are a lot of QBs who don't pan out. sometimes its lack of talent.

Everyone keeps pointing to 2016, which was an anamoly at this point and the same flaws in throwing motion and inaccuracies existed then that they do now. he has not improved. perhaps being benched would have been the best thing for him, but the owner didn't want that....Jersey sales were going through the roof.

 

[aikemirv]

wouldn't it be easier to find a true starting quarterback.

Seriously, there was a reason he was a 4th rounder! Did you ever hear anybody say that the Commander coaches completely screwed up RGIII. I don't remember it. But somehow, Garrett and Linehan are responsible for a 4th rounder not getting the job done or rising to his potential. It is a weird phenonmenon.

 

[DenCWBY]

The hiring of Kellen Moore shows how unserious management is. We have a young starting QB who regressed. We promoted the water boy to coach him up, firing the one coach we had with real experience as a QB and a QB coach.

"unserious"? You mean outright ignorant and irresponsible as the Garret hiring.