Coaching Matters

Playmaker3128 said:
Mcveigh, Demeco Ryans, Mike Vrabel, Mike Mcdonald, and the guy half this board didn't want cause he was too old (Sean Payton). What do they have in common. Most of these guys were sought after when they became available. They know how to coach.

Now do the Cowboys. Campo, Parcells, Phillips, 10 years of garret, Mccarthy, and now Schotty. How many of those coaches at the time were really sought after? Maybe parcells, maybe Mccarthy? The only one who wasn't a puppet was parcells.

Year after year, coach after coach. We hire and or stick with guys who don't give us the best chance to win. We waste an entire season with a d coordinator (eberflus) because the owner liked him. We wasted so much talent, two franchise quarterbacks (Romo and now Dak), we have been lapped twice by the giants and eagles, and soon maybe the commanders, and countless other franchises the past 30 years. There is a reason the giants just gave John Harbaugh 20 million dollars per year. In the NFL, more than any other sport coaching matters.

I'm not even saying schotty is a bad coach either. I'm saying we don't pick coaches based on merrit, but on the owners infatuation with "doing it his way". It just disgusts me, because I really feel the past 15-20 years we could have won at least one Super Bowl had we had a quality coach. We haven't even sniffed a title game, and it feels like next year is gonna be more of the same. Nothing will change.
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Of course coaching matters,

but the flip side of this is guys like Sean Mcdermott and Harbaugh being fired ,How about Vrabel being released from the Titans,

I don't get it how you think Jerry doesn't know this or I don't know this or anybody reading this didn't know coaching matters it's also important that players to go with the coaches, it also have luck to not have a bunch of injuries, and that your draft works out more than it doesn't, and that your free agents work out more than it doesn't,


it's more than just coaching or these coaches somehow like Jimmy Johnson left here and didn't do squat Bill Parcells never recreated what he had, as a matter of fact no coach up to this point in the history of the NFL since the Super Bowl era began has ever left a successful team he built that he won a Super Bowl and recreated it somewhere else if the coaching mattered why does it not matter where they went on their second stop?

By the way,

if it did truly matter why are some of the greatest coaches in the history of the NFL not have Super Bowls wins? they don't have any Super Bowl wins?

Or in your case you think Sean Payton is the bee's knees ,You think that somehow the Saints were stupid for letting him go, even though he only won one championship in 19 years with 1 of the best quarterbacks on the planet and while cheating, you remember I believe there was some kind of bounty bowl. At least if you're gonna cheat be Bilbo check and have like A half dozen rings I mean you gotta do it right and somehow even him being well some might consider the best coach in the NFL because if Super Bowl wins are it and if it's just about coaching how is it that now he can't even coaching college team up to this point why isn't he in the NFL still it's kind of odd that your flexes matters and now you're gonna find a way to say it was never Bill Belitech and it was Tom Brady right you're gonna tell me how Bill Belichick wasn't a very good coach even having three or four times the amount of rings then Sean Payton has..lmao

You do realize that this coach had losing seasons as a matter of fact he had three losing seasons in a row with Drew Brees healthy that would be 3, 7-9 seasons in a row..

so, if it's just about the coaching then why are these coaches being fired and released because they have like really good records both in the playoffs and in the regular seas

on they're winning divisions they have a 2 to 1 ratio in wins versus losses and yet they're being fired they wouldn't even be available if 0 it was was coaching...

But thanks for letting us know something none of us would ever think of that coaching matters...

Even though most in here says retreads are bad and now you're propping up retreads like how bipolar and hypocritical because some of these posts in here, that they're all over the place, If it the Jones family does it it's bad ,

so don't hire retreads, unless it's a list that the fans approve....
 
You know what matters even more than coaching?
Players; Players matter.

Will a great coaching "staff," not just one man, take a great team to the playoffs and have a better chance to win a SB than a lesser coach? Of course

Can a great coaching staff take an above average roster of healthy players and make a run in the playoffs, maybe even win a SB? Yes

BUT.....a great coaching staff cannot take a team decimated by injuries and win a SB.
A great coaching staff cannot take a flawed roster with the worst defense in the league and win a SB. We always want to look at the coaches and the QB, but the fact is that Jerry and Stephen have cut corners, gone cheap, done it their way, and they always have a flawed roster.

If it's not a disaster with the OL, it's only 1 receiver who can get open. If it's not the receivers, we play without a RB. If it's not the RB, it's no decent experienced vet as the backup QB. Or it's the DT's being ignored for a decade, or it's the safeties being ignored for a decade. Or it's trading away your only pass rusher, having not a single LB you actually know you can count on and relying on bums to play CB because your two best CBs will come back at some point from last year's surgeries and play like stars, along with a rookie from a small school who is also coming back from injury.

It is always something with these guys. No, you don't need stars at every position, but you do need receivers who can get open; you do need RBs who can get yardage and pick up blitzes and make plays on outlet passes; you do need OTs who can hold up most of the time even if they aren't road graders and give up 1-2 sacks per game. You need LBs who can tackle, fill gaps, and drop into coverage. You need a secondary that can line up and be in the right places doing their jobs, even if the receivers sometimes beat them with superior athletic ability.

With all the holes we have on this roster, I dare not dream that Jerry and Stephen can put together a complete and professional roster even if they do open their pocket books this off season. History has proven that they will field a team that has at least a couple of disastrous flaws because they hoped someone would do something he's never done before.
 
Playmaker3128 said:
Mcveigh, Demeco Ryans, Mike Vrabel, Mike Mcdonald, and the guy half this board didn't want cause he was too old (Sean Payton). What do they have in common. Most of these guys were sought after when they became available. They know how to coach.

Now do the Cowboys. Campo, Parcells, Phillips, 10 years of garret, Mccarthy, and now Schotty. How many of those coaches at the time were really sought after? Maybe parcells, maybe Mccarthy? The only one who wasn't a puppet was parcells.

Year after year, coach after coach. We hire and or stick with guys who don't give us the best chance to win. We waste an entire season with a d coordinator (eberflus) because the owner liked him. We wasted so much talent, two franchise quarterbacks (Romo and now Dak), we have been lapped twice by the giants and eagles, and soon maybe the commanders, and countless other franchises the past 30 years. There is a reason the giants just gave John Harbaugh 20 million dollars per year. In the NFL, more than any other sport coaching matters.

I'm not even saying schotty is a bad coach either. I'm saying we don't pick coaches based on merrit, but on the owners infatuation with "doing it his way". It just disgusts me, because I really feel the past 15-20 years we could have won at least one Super Bowl had we had a quality coach. We haven't even sniffed a title game, and it feels like next year is gonna be more of the same. Nothing will change.
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coaches salary is a big consideration for the joneses.... there is coaches dead money to consider just in case of a total disaster....
 
blueblood70 said:
Of course coaching matters,

but the flip side of this is guys like Sean Mcdermott and Harbaugh being fired ,How about Vrabel being released from the Titans,

I don't get it how you think Jerry doesn't know this or I don't know this or anybody reading this didn't know coaching matters it's also important that players to go with the coaches, it also have luck to not have a bunch of injuries, and that your draft works out more than it doesn't, and that your free agents work out more than it doesn't,


it's more than just coaching or these coaches somehow like Jimmy Johnson left here and didn't do squat Bill Parcells never recreated what he had, as a matter of fact no coach up to this point in the history of the NFL since the Super Bowl era began has ever left a successful team he built that he won a Super Bowl and recreated it somewhere else if the coaching mattered why does it not matter where they went on their second stop?

By the way,

if it did truly matter why are some of the greatest coaches in the history of the NFL not have Super Bowls wins? they don't have any Super Bowl wins?

Or in your case you think Sean Payton is the bee's knees ,You think that somehow the Saints were stupid for letting him go, even though he only won one championship in 19 years with 1 of the best quarterbacks on the planet and while cheating, you remember I believe there was some kind of bounty bowl. At least if you're gonna cheat be Bilbo check and have like A half dozen rings I mean you gotta do it right and somehow even him being well some might consider the best coach in the NFL because if Super Bowl wins are it and if it's just about coaching how is it that now he can't even coaching college team up to this point why isn't he in the NFL still it's kind of odd that your flexes matters and now you're gonna find a way to say it was never Bill Belitech and it was Tom Brady right you're gonna tell me how Bill Belichick wasn't a very good coach even having three or four times the amount of rings then Sean Payton has..lmao

You do realize that this coach had losing seasons as a matter of fact he had three losing seasons in a row with Drew Brees healthy that would be 3, 7-9 seasons in a row..

so, if it's just about the coaching then why are these coaches being fired and released because they have like really good records both in the playoffs and in the regular seas

on they're winning divisions they have a 2 to 1 ratio in wins versus losses and yet they're being fired they wouldn't even be available if 0 it was was coaching...

But thanks for letting us know something none of us would ever think of that coaching matters...

Even though most in here says retreads are bad and now you're propping up retreads like how bipolar and hypocritical because some of these posts in here, that they're all over the place, If it the Jones family does it it's bad ,

so don't hire retreads, unless it's a list that the fans approve....
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Are you defending the Jones and 30 years of failure?
 
Dutton said:
Are you defending the Jones and 30 years of failure?
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No I'm giving my opinion and stating a fact so why don't you do you and I'll do me I said what I said because it's the reality It's all factual but you want to fight because I don't gonna hold your pitchfork and torch for you Why you throw a tantrum about the Jones family I don't care about the Jones family i'm just telling you when you look at league wide all 32 teams the Jerry Jones family is not alone in the mistakes being made with coaches and players and free agency in the draft and blah blah blah it is what it is too bad if you don't like it because I'm not going to join your little club...


I like where some people come on here and tell somebody they had a great post when it's nothing but hyperbole rhetoric and opinion and it's not even really full of facts just full of emotional outbursts and that's OK but I'm not going to sit here and say hey great post and then like join your side there isn't a side I stated facts those are all facts...
 
Ok im not here to fight either. I just can’t understand why you would go into other teams and there coaches in long diatribes. When all this teams failure can be blamed on a power hungry fake general manager. Any other team would have fired him 25 years ago.
 
Since 2011 besides the cowboys all other 15 teams have made it to the NFC championship game.
 
Jerry’s got Togo. There’s no more glory days or glory holes. It’s over
 
Playmaker3128 said:
Mcveigh, Demeco Ryans, Mike Vrabel, Mike Mcdonald, and the guy half this board didn't want cause he was too old (Sean Payton). What do they have in common. Most of these guys were sought after when they became available. They know how to coach.

Now do the Cowboys. Campo, Parcells, Phillips, 10 years of garret, Mccarthy, and now Schotty. How many of those coaches at the time were really sought after? Maybe parcells, maybe Mccarthy? The only one who wasn't a puppet was parcells.
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I wanted Peyton after Parcell left. Never was sold on Garrett.
 
I mean his initials are actually B.S. so there's that.
 
blueblood70 said:
Wow how refreshing I open up the thread and I see something that I had no clue about I need to be reminded that coaching matters I mean I literally would have never ever thought of that myself and I don't think anybody else on this board or that runs teams understand that at all I mean I'm glad we have somebody in here the only one on planet Earth that thinks coaching matters...

Good job the most unique and refreshingly new thread and subject I've seen in a billion years....:facepalm:
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OMG, why in the world did you click on this thread?

Wow, how refreshing, bashing someone else's thread. Why don't you try something unique and refreshing for once?
 
Chuck 54 said:
You know what matters even more than coaching?
Players; Players matter.

Will a great coaching "staff," not just one man, take a great team to the playoffs and have a better chance to win a SB than a lesser coach? Of course

Can a great coaching staff take an above average roster of healthy players and make a run in the playoffs, maybe even win a SB? Yes

BUT.....a great coaching staff cannot take a team decimated by injuries and win a SB.
A great coaching staff cannot take a flawed roster with the worst defense in the league and win a SB. We always want to look at the coaches and the QB, but the fact is that Jerry and Stephen have cut corners, gone cheap, done it their way, and they always have a flawed roster.

If it's not a disaster with the OL, it's only 1 receiver who can get open. If it's not the receivers, we play without a RB. If it's not the RB, it's no decent experienced vet as the backup QB. Or it's the DT's being ignored for a decade, or it's the safeties being ignored for a decade. Or it's trading away your only pass rusher, having not a single LB you actually know you can count on and relying on bums to play CB because your two best CBs will come back at some point from last year's surgeries and play like stars, along with a rookie from a small school who is also coming back from injury.

It is always something with these guys. No, you don't need stars at every position, but you do need receivers who can get open; you do need RBs who can get yardage and pick up blitzes and make plays on outlet passes; you do need OTs who can hold up most of the time even if they aren't road graders and give up 1-2 sacks per game. You need LBs who can tackle, fill gaps, and drop into coverage. You need a secondary that can line up and be in the right places doing their jobs, even if the receivers sometimes beat them with superior athletic ability.

With all the holes we have on this roster, I dare not dream that Jerry and Stephen can put together a complete and professional roster even if they do open their pocket books this off season. History has proven that they will field a team that has at least a couple of disastrous flaws because they hoped someone would do something he's never done before.
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If we don't get minimum 5 new players on D that are at least above average, nothing else we do will matter.
 
Why so much negativity on Schotty? Bad year, yep. Remember the GM is still Jerry and he made some moves that helped the O and helped and hurt the D.

We need to hire a DC that is flexible in using the players he has in putting in position where they do the best. Look at Revel, he was and is a very good corner he man to man but struggled in zone. He needs more training in zone but their are any number of ways to play zone and using one guy with man coverage. Denver and New England both do it.

Does the D need help on the secondary, SURE! We have a very young secondary with 3 rookies, a 2nd year and a 4th year coming off football surgery. Adding a draft picks is good but a vet is more important.

This will help the O along with a MLB who stops the run and a good DE or Micah type LB. You sign or franchise Pickens, resign Williams at RB, maybe find a gem at RT if Steele doesn't cut it and stay healthy. Then Schotty has a offense that compliments the defense and vice versa.

Schotty is a young 1st time coach, give him a couple of years. Frankly, still believe that Jerry is plotting a way to get Arch Manning next year and take over for Dak in 2028.

Then Schotty might be here as long as Landry was. Just maybe.
 
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