Coaching staff continuity?

[PAINFROMUKRAINE]

Coaching Staff continuity has been a theme for many years with Jerry and this Board. Well, the Broncos have taken that strategic approach and flushed it down the toilet. they fired a very successful HC because he DID NOT win the Super Bowl. They brought in a new HC and system this year and they have a Trophy. So maybe Dallas should realize that continuity may mean complacency instead of future Success.

 

[CashMan]

Coaching Staff continuity has been a theme for many years with Jerry and this Board. Well, the Broncos have taken that strategic approach and flushed it down the toilet. they fired a very successful HC because he DID NOT win the Super Bowl. They brought in a new HC and system this year and they have a Trophy. So maybe Dallas should realize that continuity may mean complacency instead of future Success.

I think they fired him, because he is a VERY conservative coach.

 

[Aven8]

I thought of this last night as well. JG got the benefit of the doubt because of Romo and Dez this year. I hope he is held accountable next year if we suck.

 

[DallasEast]

I would argue that my defensive guys
and I played a much more significant
role in the team's success all season
than Gary Kubiak.​

 

[YosemiteSam]

Coaching Staff continuity has been a theme for many years with Jerry and this Board. Well, the Broncos have taken that strategic approach and flushed it down the toilet. they fired a very successful HC because he DID NOT win the Super Bowl. They brought in a new HC and system this year and they have a Trophy. So maybe Dallas should realize that continuity may mean complacency instead of future Success.

This is what really happen in Denver

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[Stash]

I thought of this last night as well. JG got the benefit of the doubt because of Romo and Dez this year. I hope he is held accountable next year if we suck.

Could there be any other reason other than comfort and nepotism why he should stick around if he doesn't succeed next year?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Coaching Staff continuity has been a theme for many years with Jerry and this Board. Well, the Broncos have taken that strategic approach and flushed it down the toilet. they fired a very successful HC because he DID NOT win the Super Bowl. They brought in a new HC and system this year and they have a Trophy. So maybe Dallas should realize that continuity may mean complacency instead of future Success.

Continuity is great if the coach is a good one. Continuity becomes a negative if it means you are continuing with ineptitude.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I would argue that my defensive guys
and I played a much more significant
role in the team's success all season
than Gary Kubiak.​

Wait, you mean camp cupcake is the one responsible for Denver's SB season?

But isn't this the same guy we fired so we could promote Coach Clapper?

How is that working out?

 

[DallasEast]

Wait, you mean camp cupcake is the one responsible for Denver's SB season?

But isn't this the same guy we fired so we could promote Coach Clapper?

How is that working out?

Coach Camp Cupcake has always excelled as a defensive coordinator. It's the head coaching gig that's constantly challenged him. That's the position Coach Clapper replaced him. The Broncos have Coach Camp Cupcake to thank for molding a championship defense that brought the Lombardi home to Denver.

 

[visionary]

Coach Camp Cupcake has always excelled as a defensive coordinator. It's the head coaching gig that's constantly challenged him. That's the position Coach Clapper replaced him. The Broncos have Coach Camp Cupcake to thank for molding a championship defense that brought the Lombardi home to Denver.

The problem with this argument is that Coach Clapper has never succeeded at anything

 

[BAT]

The problem with this argument is that Coach Clapper has never succeeded at anything

I'll take a cupcake over the clap anyday.

 

[DallasEast]

The problem with this argument is that Coach Clapper has never succeeded at anything

I haven't made an argument. My first post was related to the OP's statement of:

They brought in a new HC and system this year and they have a Trophy.

Denver had John Fox who, as Cashman pointed out, was a conservative coach, which ultimately led to his firing despite the fact that he helped coach the team to the Super Bowl. First-year head coach Gary Kubiak repeated Fox's feat but the difference between Fox and Kubiak is Wade Phillips and the reinforced defense that carried the Broncos last season. Beast_From_East jokingly attempted to tie coaching continuity, which is the thread topic, to my comment but my comment didn't address Dallas's coaching continuity. In my reply to Beast, I did jokingly reiterate how Denver's Super Bowl victory came about and that Dallas's current head coach situation was a case of Jason Garrett replacing Phillips, who underachieved as Cowboys head coach but was rewarded with a Super Bowl ring as a defensive coordinator, which he has always been a much better coach in his career.

In finally addressing the thread topic, I hope Garrett's successor has the primary head coaching tools that'll serve as offensive and/or defensive strengths for the team, if-and-when Garrett is replaced as head coach. If not, I hope the new head coach has a coordinator or coordinators like Phillips and the team makes the necessary offseason player acquisitions that'll end up creating a dominating defense (like Denver did in 2015), offense or both for Dallas.

 

[Idgit]

For years, Kubiak was a joke of a coach who never won anything and who couldn't put it together. Wade's been in the league how many years--as a DC for many of them-- and has how many rings?

It's amazing what some good personnel and stopping the other guy from passing effectively can do. Apparently, it even makes your coaches better.

 

[visionary]

For years, Kubiak was a joke of a coach who never won anything and who couldn't put it together. Wade's been in the league how many years--as a DC for many of them-- and has how many rings?

It's amazing what some good personnel and stopping the other guy from passing effectively can do. Apparently, it even makes your coaches better.

Lol please stop

I know you're a Garrett homer and check common sense and reason at the door but Give Kubiak a top 5 QB like Garrett had had his entire HC career and the results would be different

 

[Idgit]

Lol please stop

I know you're a Garrett homer and check common sense and reason at the door but Give Kubiak a top 5 QB like Garrett had had his entire HC career and the results would be different

Lol, no. And Kubiak didn't have a top-5 QB this season, regardless. But let's not act like Kubiak hasn't been the exact comparison for Jason Garrett in offseason threads the last three years. Come on, visionary. You've been around long enough and have participated in enough of the conversations to remember exactly what went on while we were going round and round on Garrett's eventual contract extension.

Like it or not, players really do matter in this league. The best teams accumulate the best players and use them to pass effectively or keep the other guys from passing effectively. When you have good players, nobody's talking about scheme or play calling because they're celebrating the plays being made on the field. This is why coaches who are widely reviled around here, like Payton and Zimmer and now this year, Gary Kubiak and Wade Phillips suddenly learn how to coach late in their careers when they were such obvious useless morons early on.

 

[Miller]

I'm completely torn here. For years I've compared Kubiak and Garrett because they really sucked and had a similar trajectory. Kubiak was the winner due to his past experience and two playoff wins but if you ask any Texans fan or someone living in Houston...which I was at the time..and they'll tell you how the guy lost more games by his decisions....bad play calling, lack of clock understanding, being ultra conservative, letter jackets for playoff games..just outclassed in big games. That was Kubiak. And he had a team quit on him. If you read the recent news, they say he had a Come to Jesus moment post heart issues and while coaching under Harbaugh in Baltimore. Loosened up a but, was less stressed, etc. The reality of a lot of it though is that the guy inherited a ton of talent. Wade helped on D a lot. He always has his first 2-3 years with a team.(see Texans drop his last years there). But honestly Wade did the job with immense talent that Fox had. Kubiak's DNA was there for all to see in the playoff run. In the Super Bowl it was 3rd and 11 inside the Panther 20 and they threw a 5 yard out. They were trying to let the D win. Kubiak was just as conservative.

As far as Garrett and continuity....it won't help IMO. I watched the SB with one of my best friends that has coached in college and pros. He played at Stanford and played and coached under Bill Walsh. He coached under Neuheisel at Washington when they won the Rose Bowl. He coached under Jack Del Rio in Jacksonville. He's been around some great minds at other stops. He told me that from what he knows and he hears of Garrett, the guy is not a good coach. Said that its nepotism around that team. His words were "Garrett is what a guy should should sound and look like as a coach but he can't coach. Jerry likes that he feels like a good coach." Coaching changes happen yearly and in many cases it doesn't take 2-3 years to change things and get going. Players in the league have been in many systems, they know how to play. Players buy in or they don't.

 

[visionary]

Lol, no. And Kubiak didn't have a top-5 QB this season, regardless. But let's not act like Kubiak hasn't been the exact comparison for Jason Garrett in offseason threads the last three years. Come on, visionary. You've been around long enough and have participated in enough of the conversations to remember exactly what went on while we were going round and round on Garrett's eventual contract extension.

Like it or not, players really do matter in this league. The best teams accumulate the best players and use them to pass effectively or keep the other guys from passing effectively. When you have good players, nobody's talking about scheme or play calling because they're celebrating the plays being made on the field. This is why coaches who are widely reviled around here, like Payton and Zimmer and now this year, Gary Kubiak and Wade Phillips suddenly learn how to coach late in their careers when they were such obvious useless morons early on.

Of course talent matters, I would never say it does not but Garrett has had a top 5 QB his entire HC career and he has run his career into the ground

Just look at the post season appearances for other top 5 QBs in the last 5 years and compare to Romo

Garrett is not a good HC

At some point you guys have to wake up and see things for what they are not what WE hoped they would be

 

[Stash]

I'm completely torn here. For years I've compared Kubiak and Garrett because they really sucked and had a similar trajectory. Kubiak was the winner due to his past experience and two playoff wins but if you ask any Texans fan or someone living in Houston...which I was at the time..and they'll tell you how the guy lost more games by his decisions....bad play calling, lack of clock understanding, being ultra conservative, letter jackets for playoff games..just outclassed in big games. That was Kubiak. And he had a team quit on him. If you read the recent news, they say he had a Come to Jesus moment post heart issues and while coaching under Harbaugh in Baltimore. Loosened up a but, was less stressed, etc. The reality of a lot of it though is that the guy inherited a ton of talent. Wade helped on D a lot. He always has his first 2-3 years with a team.(see Texans drop his last years there). But honestly Wade did the job with immense talent that Fox had. Kubiak's DNA was there for all to see in the playoff run. In the Super Bowl it was 3rd and 11 inside the Panther 20 and they threw a 5 yard out. They were trying to let the D win. Kubiak was just as conservative.

As far as Garrett and continuity....it won't help IMO. I watched the SB with one of my best friends that has coached in college and pros. He played at Stanford and played and coached under Bill Walsh. He coached under Neuheisel at Washington when they won the Rose Bowl. He coached under Jack Del Rio in Jacksonville. He's been around some great minds at other stops. He told me that from what he knows and he hears of Garrett, the guy is not a good coach. Said that its nepotism around that team. His words were "Garrett is what a guy should should sound and look like as a coach but he can't coach. Jerry likes that he feels like a good coach." Coaching changes happen yearly and in many cases it doesn't take 2-3 years to change things and get going. Players in the league have been in many systems, they know how to play. Players buy in or they don't.

I'm telling Tom you outed him as a Garrett hater!

 

[Risen Star]

The important thing to remember here is despite a 4-12 season and a continuation of the failure of the last two decades, we needed to change nothing going forward. No front office changes. Nothing in scouting. Nothing really in coaching. Well that didn't work, let's try it again.

This is one of our distinct advantages from being structured so uniquely and frankly you ingrates just don't deserve it.

 

[BAT]

Of course talent matters, I would never say it does not but Garrett has had a top 5 QB his entire HC career and he has run his career into the ground

Just look at the post season appearances for other top 5 QBs in the last 5 years and compare to Romo

Garrett is not a good HC

At some point you guys have to wake up and see things for what they are not what WE hoped they would be

Garrett also inherited some great defensive players from Wade, who fielded an elite defense the years he was in Dallas. So Kubiak inheriting Fox's players is moot. Gotta do something with the players regardless of talent. Kubiak differs from Garrett because he hired Wade Phillips (the real coach behind the SB win), while Garrett had Wade fired.