Coaching Staffs Cannot Be Thrown Together

[vta]

Please stop making everything into a bash Jerry thread.

Well, if the topic is going to be how (or how not) to assemble a coaching staff, Jerry is too pertinent not be mentioned; and since he's not all that savvy on how to do just such a thing, as even your own words attest to, he's going to end up on the end of criticism.

This whole coaching staff started as a dysfunctional family and it will stay that way, unless Jerry makes some serious ideological changes in his own approach.

It's far from bashing and closer to citing the truths as they are.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fuzzy, I'm confused.

By starting this thread, you were saying that you can't throw a staff together, but the one who does that (at least here in Dallas) IS Jerry.

As I said, I agree with your premise of hiring a head coach and getting out of the way. It's the way it should be done.

Unfortunately as of today, Jerry's jacking around letting his OC go, keeping an emasculated, lame duck head coach in place and will be scrambling to assemble a staff.

Like it or not, this mess (as always) falls at Jerry's feet.

BTW, I don't fault Jerry for everything, because last years draft was great, but his decisions on coaches, FA's and re-signing of certain players aren't exactly the best.

Jones hasn't done anything yet to hire anyone. I was talking about the coaching scenario threads that oh so obviously do not even consider that.

I am just very tired of the people that sit around waiting for Jones to do something stupid so they can go off on it in glee. --Theebs thats not you btw--

The guy isn't going anywhere and I will at least wait until he does something before laying into him. Heck, were not even sure if he was responsible for Stewart and Read anyway.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Well, if the topic is going to be how (or how not) to assemble a coaching staff, Jerry is too pertinent not be mentioned; and since he's not all that savvy on how to do just such a thing, as even your own words attest to, he's going to end up on the end of criticism.

This whole coaching staff started as a dysfunctional family and it will stay that way, unless Jerry makes some serious ideological changes in his own approach.

It's far from bashing and closer to citing the truths as they are.

What criticism? He already hired Garrett and other than Houck who did he force on Wade?

JONES HASN'T HIRED ANYONE SO WHAT IS THERE TO CRITICIZE?

 

[theebs]

Fair enough. I can understand being mad but youre absolutely simpleminded in purpose. As you say, Jones isn't going anywhere so youre only setting yourself up for grief.

BTW what would you think of Stephen taking over?

A. I am not mad. I was mad in the mid 90s. Then I really discovered who jerry was, cause I never paid attention to him then because He is not an nfl person.

B. I am not setting myself up for anything. I already am pretty sure about what is coming from what I hear and reading between the lines. I am not expecting different results. But I am still going to point out how it doesnt and hasnt worked.

C. I have always liked Stephen. He seems to be level headed. He doesnt seem to have that egomaniac side that his dad does and I dont think he would ever bring in the questionable people his father does. I think from dealing with agents and being involved with the team for so long he would have known better than to bring in an owens, johnson or jones. He must talk to enough good people around the league and out of the league to know that doesnt work and never has.

I like stephen, his title in this organization is CEO, Executive vice president and director of player personnel. He concedes some power to his assitant, a name many dont talk about here but he has a very big role in handling the cap, Todd Williams. What worries me is Todd Williams, the assitant director of player personnel doesnt really have an nfl background either. He came on board in the mid 90s in marketing. Then jumped into personnel in 96. He has been stephens assitant since 01. This organization has made some bad decisions since then.

SO if stephen were to take over as owner tomorrow and hire a real nfl General manager and then put Todd Williams in as the salary cap guy, I would be happy as could be. If stephen took over as the primary owner and made himself the defacto gm, I would be dissapointed.

I do like that Stephen seemed to be more comfortable under the media choke hold parcells had here and I think stephen kind would go that direction and run a quieter organization if anything.

and again, I dont start jerry threads and I dont intend to come on here and go looking for reasons to bash jerry or the other guy. Its just that this team has some serious core problems and my personal belief is those two guys are the main problems.

 

[Hostile]

I would first like to say that I am one of those people that absolutely hate how helter skelter the board gets when interesting things happen in VR and I also concede that I am contributing to make it even more so with a new thread.

In a perfect world, there would be a thread called 'stupid coaching ideas' and put all of the 'Shanahan, Gruden and Phillips' together threads or 'lets force any myriad of coaches together we can think of' threads into it and life would be good. I could put this thread there and it would be just peachy.

Alas, I am not a mod nor do I have any desire to be a mod nor do i find fault in our mods so it falls to me making a new thread.

The premise is quite simple: you don't just throw a coaching staff together. These guys work together for 14+ hours a day 3/4 of the year. They go to meetings together but most importantly, what they are coaching has to jive with what the other guy is doing. The WR coach and the RB coach need to be on the same page. What goes for the players goes fifty million times more for the coaches.

At the end of the day they need to be on the same page even moreso than players.

What needs to happen is that Wade or whoever the HC needs to be able to pick his coaches. Hes the one that has to work for them. Forcing Gruden on just about anyone is a horrible idea.

You liar!!!!!!!!!

:laugh2:


Kidding you brah.

Very good thread. I agree. I'd blow the whole sucker up at this point, but I'm not a voting member of the cabal that can do that.

 

[wileedog]

YI'd blow the whole sucker up at this point

Put me in that cabal.

 

[Shake_Tiller]

A. I am not mad. I was mad in the mid 90s. Then I really discovered who jerry was, cause I never paid attention to him then because He is not an nfl person.

B. I am not setting myself up for anything. I already am pretty sure about what is coming from what I hear and reading between the lines. I am not expecting different results. But I am still going to point out how it doesnt and hasnt worked.

C. I have always liked Stephen. He seems to be level headed. He doesnt seem to have that egomaniac side that his dad does and I dont think he would ever bring in the questionable people his father does. I think from dealing with agents and being involved with the team for so long he would have known better than to bring in an owens, johnson or jones. He must talk to enough good people around the league and out of the league to know that doesnt work and never has.

I like stephen, his title in this organization is CEO, Executive vice president and director of player personnel. He concedes some power to his assitant, a name many dont talk about here but he has a very big role in handling the cap, Todd Williams. What worries me is Todd Williams, the assitant director of player personnel doesnt really have an nfl background either. He came on board in the mid 90s in marketing. Then jumped into personnel in 96. He has been stephens assitant since 01. This organization has made some bad decisions since then.

SO if stephen were to take over as owner tomorrow and hire a real nfl General manager and then put Todd Williams in as the salary cap guy, I would be happy as could be. If stephen took over as the primary owner and made himself the defacto gm, I would be dissapointed.

I do like that Stephen seemed to be more comfortable under the media choke hold parcells had here and I think stephen kind would go that direction and run a quieter organization if anything.

and again, I dont start jerry threads and I dont intend to come on here and go looking for reasons to bash jerry or the other guy. Its just that this team has some serious core problems and my personal belief is those two guys are the main problems.

Theebs I agree nearly 100% with your assessment of Jerry Jones, and it makes me sad, rather than angry. It makes me sad because I like Jones the owner. I admire his passion and energy. I admire the way he puts the Cowboys ahead of everything else. I even think Jones received way too much blame for the handling of the Landry firing -- and I revered Tom Landry as I have revered few men.

I think Jones has a blind spot. It's not one he's been able to overcome. And yes, I think it is attributable to his ego. It is sad because I think he could be the greatest owner in the history of professional sports if not for that critical blind spot.

I have high hopes for Stephen. I believe both Jimmy Johnson and Parcells admired and appreciated him. I think maybe he has inherited many of his father's best qualities while not having inherited that one critical blind spot. I surely hope that is the case.

 

[DallasEast]

What needs to happen is that Wade or whoever the HC needs to be able to pick his coaches. Hes the one that has to work for them. Forcing Gruden on just about anyone is a horrible idea.

[January 24, 2007]...Bringing in a new head coach is always a risk. Why not allow the new head coach, who is burden with the task of getting the team over the hump, the responsibility of overseeing his OWN staff? You know, the guys he trusts can do 'the job'???

......

 

[Real1st]

A. I am not mad. I was mad in the mid 90s. Then I really discovered who jerry was, cause I never paid attention to him then because He is not an nfl person.

B. I am not setting myself up for anything. I already am pretty sure about what is coming from what I hear and reading between the lines. I am not expecting different results. But I am still going to point out how it doesnt and hasnt worked.

C. I have always liked Stephen. He seems to be level headed. He doesnt seem to have that egomaniac side that his dad does and I dont think he would ever bring in the questionable people his father does. I think from dealing with agents and being involved with the team for so long he would have known better than to bring in an owens, johnson or jones. He must talk to enough good people around the league and out of the league to know that doesnt work and never has.

I like stephen, his title in this organization is CEO, Executive vice president and director of player personnel. He concedes some power to his assitant, a name many dont talk about here but he has a very big role in handling the cap, Todd Williams. What worries me is Todd Williams, the assitant director of player personnel doesnt really have an nfl background either. He came on board in the mid 90s in marketing. Then jumped into personnel in 96. He has been stephens assitant since 01. This organization has made some bad decisions since then.

SO if stephen were to take over as owner tomorrow and hire a real nfl General manager and then put Todd Williams in as the salary cap guy, I would be happy as could be. If stephen took over as the primary owner and made himself the defacto gm, I would be dissapointed.

I do like that Stephen seemed to be more comfortable under the media choke hold parcells had here and I think stephen kind would go that direction and run a quieter organization if anything.

and again, I dont start jerry threads and I dont intend to come on here and go looking for reasons to bash jerry or the other guy. Its just that this team has some serious core problems and my personal belief is those two guys are the main problems.

Great post. I think that Stephen is trying to tell Jerry what direction this franchise needs to go in. But you know Jerry Jones is to stubborn and egotistical. If this organization was run by real football men we wouldn't be in this situation right now. Jerry Jones is the worst GM in the league. He should just fall back and let someone else take over the football operations.

 

[Apollo Creed]

A. I am not starting these threads and I do not wish to intentionally come here to talk about the two core issues that are the problems with the team. Its just that all this coach talk leads back, in my mind to those two core issues.

B. I didnt post for 3 weeks because what I believe in as a football fan and what I believe an organization should do and how it should do it are much different than most cowboys fans.

I guess I should just stay away. All I can really get is arguments right now.

Thats because you take yourself and your fanhood entirely too seriously.

This is a crazy league man, there is no singular system to winning blinkies. I've just realized to take them as they come, we are awful spoiled to have 3 of them and a half-decade of excellence.

You sound like a whiney girl 95% of the time on here. Outside of Jerry and T.O. bashing, what exactly do you do? Then you complain almost as if we're forcing you to post, change the record man.

 

[theebs]

Thats because you take yourself and your fanhood entirely too seriously.

This is a crazy league man, there is no singular system to winning blinkies. I've just realized to take them as they come, we are awful spoiled to have 3 of them and a half-decade of excellence.

You sound like a whiney girl 95% of the time on here. Outside of Jerry and T.O. bashing, what exactly do you do? Then you complain almost as if we're forcing you to post, change the record man.

I am a whiney girl? WHy?

What exactly do I do? What is this supposed to mean? Its a message board I post on it? I am pretty sure I have contributed alot more than you have to this message board and helping it be a place that is informative and offers something more than the other cowboys message boards.

This is why I didnt post for a couple of weeks and probably will just go back to reading.

This notion that all I do is bash jerry and TO are ridiculous. I would love to be talking about anything other than jerry and to, but that is all that people will talk about here. I cant stand it.

 

[Vintage]

This notion that all I do is bash jerry and TO are ridiculous. I would love to be talking about anything other than jerry and to, but that is all that people will talk about here. I cant stand it.

No offense theebs, but you could always start a new thread discussing stuff you want to talk about.

People would post in that thread.

Its a message board. You make it what you want it to be. If the topics are getting old, create a new one.

 

[theebs]

No offense theebs, but you could always start a new thread discussing stuff you want to talk about.

People would post in that thread.

Its a message board. You make it what you want it to be. If the topics are getting old, create a new one.

So your one of these people that thinks that is all I do too?

I actually have a number of things I would like to talk about, but it wont matter right now. The coaching staff is all anyone is concerned with, all topics and discussion will be trumped by that.

 

[Vintage]

So your one of these people that thinks that is all I do too?

I actually have a number of things I would like to talk about, but it wont matter right now. The coaching staff is all anyone is concerned with, all topics and discussion will be trumped by that.

Where did I say I was "one of those people?"

What I did say, is if you are tired of re-hashing the same old topics (as you implied), you could always start a new thread. And that people would post in that topic.

That's all I said. Nothing more; nothing less.