Coaching Vs Talent

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The content of a great deal of posts after losses like the one against the Ravens have a similar foundation. The kvetching is endless and mostly emo posts about firing this guy or that. Disappointment removes most logic in this group of fans in this age. Not just Cowboy fans, but fans in general. It seems difficult to believe that so many have never thought about coaching and talent and where one's jurisdiction ends and the other begins. What is left behind is less analytics searching for the causal affects, and more grousing.

Parcells complained about the fact he was not the guy who got to, "pick the groceries." And in this nugget - and I am not a Parcells fan at all - is the truth about when players fail and who is at fault.

The coach has a scheme. And if talent is relatively even the coach feels he can capitalize on mistakes the other team makes and take the win. But the talent has to be able to work within the parameters of the scheme and execute.

So ask yourself this. Why are the Patriots 6-6?

Do you think Belichick suddenly lost his coaching mojo? He woke up the first day of the 2020 season and simply forgot how to win?

I don't know if McCarthy and Nolan have the goods to be exceptional coaches. But what I do know is when you watch this team play, and you see players in the wrong position, the coach did not teach them to be in the wrong position.

This team's defense fails because they get pushed all over the field up the middle. And the yin and yang of that statement means the edges are susceptible to getting gashed as the team hunkers down in the middle trying to stop the run.

They are easily put out of position because of lack of talent, and players not winning their personal challenges, while others try to compensate for the weaknesses this void in talent brings. Thus good players over compensate and are out of position.

Vander Esch was horribly out of position last night on a touchdown run. Part of it was the misdirection, along with him trying to compensate for tackles getting manhandled. If he fills the hole he makes the tackle and the Ravens don't have a long TD run.

Do you really believe Vander Esch's responsibility was to be out of position during that play? That the coaches taught him in meetings to ignore the gaping hole to his left and follow a decoy?

Vander Esch followed the QB just enough to pull him away from that hole. He is not a bad player, but one who has no real help and tried to dissect that play and make the tackle.

So Nolan and McCarthy both need competent players to be competitive. This goes beyond injuries this season. This is the basics of having the players which fit with the scheme and the ability to execute the scheme. They both may be average coaches, but what transpired last night was a gigantic lack of talent up the middle.

And for the people who will reflexively suggest Parcells took Quincy and made the play-offs, and McCarthy rode the coattails of Rodgers, both of those examples are too simplistic to fit the facts at hand.

Rodgers could execute McCarthy's offense. The real problems with him is he is a horse's butt. Much like Brady. Parcells motivated the team he inherited by being the Dallas coach. But they also played an easy schedule, and people took them as a push over and they ground out the wins.

This Dallas team does not have the defensive talent - or since the injury to Dak, and the OL the offensive talent to score enough to cover up the swinging gate of a defense.

And accepting this premise should really drain all hope, because the team needs players, and the cap will prevent bringing in real talent, even though the draft will bring in some.

And Jerry and Stephen are so far out of their league in constructing a team that plays tough on both sides of the ball, that no amount of luck and draft picks will change this team enough to be competitive next season.

This is about the lack of talent far more than the ability of the coaching staff.
 
The Patriots are 6-6 bc their roster sucks and they have great coaching

The Cowboys have 3 wins bc their roster sucks and they have terrible coaching.

Don't get it twisted, this coaching staff stinks. They aren't good enough. The players also suck.
 
McCarthy helped pick the groceries. Not the previous players but he did help pick free agents and the ones drafted. None of the free agents worked out.

McCarthy also said he will adjust the scheme to fit the players. If you are suggesting he is getting everything he can out of this defense I think you are wrong. We haven't been this bad in a while and should be better with the guys we do have. There are teams doing more with less in our division with new coaching staffs and schemes.
 
Coaching, defense, and QB play are what wins titles.. Cheap QB play and vets taking a discount seem to have a huge impact on determining Super Bowl champions as well.

If you have a extremely good QB and defense then Gary Kubiak, a great playcaller, can win as a head coach..

You have to have 2 of the 3 though..

I think all of these NFL teams are so similar in talent and you send a lot of these elite QBs anywhere then those teams they go to instantly become playoff teams..

Defense is so hard to depend on.. The league does not want you defending well. The rules are against it.. You can use all of your resources towards it but there are no guarantees that you’ll ever have anything special on defense..


As far as the Cowboys go..


Head coach? I’m not a believer.. He does have a Super Bowl on his resume but he also had Favre and Rodgers.. Plus no head coach has won a Super Bowl with 2 separate franchises I believe.

Defense? We are a long long way from building anything dominant.. We need to just get back to not giving up big plays and keeping point totals low.. That would be a step in the right direction..

Quarterback? Dak is more than capable of being good enough to win a title with. We’ve seen lesser QBs win Superbowls.. The problem is he wants a lot of money and there isn’t a lot of evidence that you can pay a Non elite, or even an elite QB, all of that money and it not be a struggle to put enough around them to ever win. A lot of these QBs win it on their rookie deal or towards the end of their career when they have made their money and start taking discounts.
 
McCarthy helped pick the groceries. Not the previous players but he did help pick free agents and the ones drafted. None of the free agents worked out.

McCarthy also said he will adjust the scheme to fit the players. If you are suggesting he is getting everything he can out of this defense I think you are wrong. We haven't been this bad in a while and should be better with the guys we do have. There are teams doing more with less in our division with new coaching staffs and schemes.

Adjusting the team to fit sub-par players is folly. You cannot compare one team to another and suggest results should be the same. That is fan mentality and a shallow dive into the reasons this team is bad.

Poe was a wasted move. But McCoy's injury weakened an already weak position. Ant thought the head coach can make this team better with the talent here is missing the facts.


The Patriots are 6-6 bc their roster sucks and they have great coaching

The Cowboys have 3 wins bc their roster sucks and they have terrible coaching.

Don't get it twisted, this coaching staff stinks. They aren't good enough. The players also suck.

They actually have a somewhat competent QB.
 
Quarterback? Dak is more than capable of being good enough to win a title with. We’ve seen lesser QBs win Superbowls.. The problem is he wants a lot of money and there isn’t a lot of evidence that you can pay a Non elite, or even an elite QB, all of that money and it not be a struggle to put enough around them to ever win. A lot of these QBs win it on their rookie deal or towards the end of their career when they have made their money and start taking discounts.

Non evidence ignores that it has never been done, until someone does it first. Come on, Catch. How many running backs took the rushing title for the league that went on to win the Super Bowl, until Emmitt did it three times?

None.
 
I have always said that Belichick gets more credit than he deserves because Tom Brady was that good.

That said, Belichick is still a good coach and one thing he and his staff have done well is draft starters, not projects.

That's why he has traded or released star players several times because they had someone who, while not at the same level of the player traded/released, was ready to step in and play well.

The Cowboys are bad about filling the team with swing-for-the-fence players, and every so often they hit on one which makes that strategy seem solid, but it is not.

You can draft swing-for-the-fence players or even project players here and there, but they should be considered bonuses, not future replacements.

You should draft players as if they will be your starter next year at their position, whether that's true or not.

The Cowboys have several swing-for-the-fence and project players they hoped would or will one day turn into starters, and they have several holes to show for it.
 
Adjusting the team to fit sub-par players is folly. You cannot compare one team to another and suggest results should be the same. That is fan mentality and a shallow dive into the reasons this team is bad.

Poe was a wasted move. But McCoy's injury weakened an already weak position. Ant thought the head coach can make this team better with the talent here is missing the facts.




They actually have a somewhat competent QB.


So we get worse and it has nothing to do with coaching? Hm so these same players, asked to do different things and regress but it's all on them. Then by you coaching can neither help or hurt a players performance.
 
Non evidence ignores that it has never been done, until someone does it first. Come on, Catch. How many running backs took the rushing title for the league that went on to win the Super Bowl, until Emmitt did it three times?

None.


Yeah but I would say that’s an outlier and maybe not the best path to take.
 
Twodeep, bravo ,bravo my man.
I keep telling these people it's the players that win and lose on the field. these coaches aren't telling these players to go out and get out physical , run from blocks, vacate gaps, miss tackles, blow coverages.
 
So we get worse and it has nothing to do with coaching? Hm so these same players, asked to do different things and regress but it's all on them. Then by you coaching can neither help or hurt a players performance.


McCarthy has done some incredibly foolish things this year that have nothing to do with talent or a Covid offseason.

You can’t have a coach that doesn’t help your team.
 
The Patriots are 6-6 bc their roster sucks and they have great coaching

The Cowboys have 3 wins bc their roster sucks and they have terrible coaching.

Don't get it twisted, this coaching staff stinks. They aren't good enough. The players also suck.

Couldn't have said it better...
 
McCarthy has done some incredibly foolish things this year that have nothing to do with talent or a Covid offseason.

You can’t have a coach that doesn’t help your team.


Completely agree. He is reckless, the complete opposite of Garrett.
 
The Patriots are 6-6 bc their roster sucks and they have great coaching

The Cowboys have 3 wins bc their roster sucks and they have terrible coaching.

Don't get it twisted, this coaching staff stinks. They aren't good enough. The players also suck.

This...

Great defensive coaches and competitive teams scheme around weaknesses through various methods. Belichick is a mastermind at it. Having good schemes and studying film between each game goes a long way

Granted Dallas has an enormous amount of holes to scheme around this year we however literally do nothing or the bare minimum. It's just not this year though, we had the mentality of "just beat the man in front of you" for the longest time which hasn't worked in decades
 
IMO, it’s a balance.

However, since no NFL roster has all-star talent at every position, it’s up to the HC and staff to get the most out of the talent they do have at any given time.
 
McCarthy helped pick the groceries. Not the previous players but he did help pick free agents and the ones drafted. None of the free agents worked out.

McCarthy also said he will adjust the scheme to fit the players. If you are suggesting he is getting everything he can out of this defense I think you are wrong. We haven't been this bad in a while and should be better with the guys we do have. There are teams doing more with less in our division with new coaching staffs and schemes.
Lol, remember when we got McCoy, Poe, Griffen, etc and how many people were praising McCarthy and saying how much influence he had, knew what he was doing, etc? That was only a few months ago, my how opinions have changed, lol.

It was the typical Cowboys fan over reaction.
 
The Patriots are 6-6 bc their roster sucks and they have great coaching

The Cowboys have 3 wins bc their roster sucks and they have terrible coaching.

Don't get it twisted, this coaching staff stinks. They aren't good enough. The players also suck.

Cowboys simply dont have a roster. They are down to 4th string at multiple positions.

Not a coach alive that can improve this roster. How do you even realistically evaluate the coaches with this hot garbage? You simply cant. A dumb call here, a risky call there, thats about it.
 
Cowboys simply dont have a roster. They are down to 4th string at multiple positions.

Not a coach alive that can improve this roster. How do you even realistically evaluate the coaches with this hot garbage? You simply cant. A dumb call here, a risky call there, thats about it.

There are plenty of things you can turn to as valid reasons for why the team sucks this season. But there literally has been nothing to suggest any of these coaches were good hires..might as well save time and move on now
 
Non evidence ignores that it has never been done, until someone does it first. Come on, Catch. How many running backs took the rushing title for the league that went on to win the Super Bowl, until Emmitt did it three times?

None.
Completely different question.

So far, huge money paid to QB's has resulted in a huge dropoff, 100%.
 

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