Coaching

[Sydla]

I'm not talking in generalities like you are. I'm talking about the debacle in Denver.

Coaches get fired all the time but more specifically, players get coaches fire much of the time.

The debacle in Denver falls as much in the coaching staff's lap as it does the players.

To suggest otherwise is just silliness.

 

[JoeKing]

Where were you when Wade and Campo were fired??? And Aikman sure doesn't believe what you are selling, he blames the coaching/FO for the Cowboys not winning 5 or 6 championships in the 90's.

I'm talking specifically about yesterday in Denver. Yes coaches deserve to be fired sometimes.

 

[JoeKing]

scapegoating the players for poor game-planning and a complete inability to make adjustments is worse.

Scapegoating? That's what's being done by blaming the coaches when it was the players that didn't execute well. There was nothing wrong with the game-plan or making adjustments, the players just didn't execute. But the lazy cure is to point the finger at the one or two coaches rather than the numerous players.

 

[KingintheNorth]

Scapegoating? That's what's being done by blaming the coaches when it was the players that didn't execute well. There was nothing wrong with the game-plan or making adjustments, the players just didn't execute. But the lazy cure is to point the finger at the one or two coaches rather than the numerous players.

I don't think it is possible for a person to be more wrong. If there is a way, Garrett will find it.

 

[Sydla]

Scapegoating? That's what's being done by blaming the coaches when it was the players that didn't execute well. There was nothing wrong with the game-plan or making adjustments, the players just didn't execute. But the lazy cure is to point the finger at the one or two coaches rather than the numerous players.

When multiple players are messing up, that tends to be more a coaching/game plan issue. I mean what are the odds that on the same day multiple players are all going to just have bad games on their own?

That game was as much a coaching failure as it was a player execution failure. There was little to no adjustments on either side of the ball.

 

[JoeKing]

The debacle in Denver falls as much in the coaching staff's lap as it does the players.

To suggest otherwise is just silliness.

Agree to disagree. The reverse is true, silly.

 

[KingintheNorth]

By no means am I saying the players did not contribute greatly to the poor performance. You have to block, catch balls, tackle, cover, etc. when you are on the field. Yesterday's loss was a total team failure but I thinking coaching was the biggest problem, closely followed by the personnel department, and THEN the players for not stepping up.

 

[JoeKing]

I don't think it is possible for a person to be more wrong. If there is a way, Garrett will find it.

It doesn't need to be found, you squarely have your hands all over it. Way to be more wrong.

 

[KingintheNorth]

It doesn't need to be found, you squarely have your hands all over it. Way to be more wrong.

so the game plan was flawless?

And the half-time adjustments we made also were spot on?

 

[JoeKing]

When multiple players are messing up, that tends to be more a coaching/game plan issue. I mean what are the odds that on the same day multiple players are all going to just have bad games on their own?

That game was as much a coaching failure as it was a player execution failure. There was little to no adjustments on either side of the ball.

I agree there were little to no adjustments executed on the field but that doesn't mean the coaches didn't diagnose adjustments and instruct the players on what to do differently. The players still have to execute those adjustments and they clearly did not.

 

[BoysfanfromCanada]

On the defensive side I think they did try to change it up, nothing worked through. They started out in zone, but the players were missing assignments and were tackling poorly. They switched to man, got a couple coverage sacks, but once Awuzie and Carroll went down players started getting beat 1 on 1. The rest of the game was more of the same.

On offense though...Linehan has to be much better. Try something different, rather than the same plays over and over.

 

[JoeKing]

so the game plan was flawless?

And the half-time adjustments we made also were spot on?

The game-plan has built-in options that require players to execute on the fly. The coaches can diagnose all the adjustments and instruct to the players what to do different until they are blue in the face. It does no good when the players don't execute.

 

[THEHEREAFTER]

Once again, their biggest concern is Zeke. Not only did we not force them to defend the run by NOT RUNNING we didn't take advantage of play action. We don't necessarily need to boot off PA. Just a nice lead draw play fake, or a normal gut run play fake. Or a stretch zone play face to open up the intermediate passing lanes. It's like we run Zeke then go straight to gun/empty. We don't even play fake out of the gun. Linnehan's worst game considering the opponent.

 

[Sydla]

I agree there were little to no adjustments executed on the field but that doesn't mean the coaches didn't diagnose adjustments and instruct the players on what to do differently. The players still have to execute those adjustments and they clearly did not.

LOL. So essentially, you are going to assume they made some really nice adjustments but those damn players messed up again!

 

[Sydla]

The game-plan has built-in options that require players to execute on the fly. The coaches can diagnose all the adjustments and instruct to the players what to do different until they are blue in the face. It does no good when the players don't execute.

How about you detail for us the really key points of that awesome game plan that had built in options that the players just failed to execute?

Execution, or more specifically lack of execution, is one of the most intellectually dishonest takes fans make. It completely takes a coach off the hook and allows fan boys of coaches to absolve their favorite coach of any and all blame.

 

[TheCoolFan]

The Broncos are just a better version of the Cowboys...a much better version. We will probably never have a defense close to that level and offensively, they have two great outside WRs. It's very sad...very humbling

 

[cowboyblue22]

the coach for Denver didn't have any trouble with their game plan Jason garrett got schooled by a rookie coach in his second game

 

[birdwells1]

By the way, when was the last time we Dez ran a post pattern?

 

[erod]

I blame part of this on the coaching. The job of these coaches are to put these players in the best position to succeed. When Denver was putting 8-9 men in the box the play calling should be something to have them change it up. Example take a few shots downfield even if we don't complete the pass or anything else a coach would have in their playbook. Maybe some wide receiver screens but something different. Instead they kept running the same plays with very little success. I hope the front office addresses this.

Yesterday had zero to do with coaching.

 

[Cmac]

Coaching indeed.....there's no reason Dez is running poor routes or limited in route choices after 8 seasons. Where's the other 88s (Irvin/Pearson)?

There's no reason technique can't be improved for DL.

This team wins on talent.....and like yesterday.....loses when the talent level is overmatched. JG....you're HS material.